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A generally average album with a few good songs and a few shitty ones (the ones I enjoyed most are This Was Just Your Life, The Day That Never Comes and The Judas Kiss). James' vocals are awful. Hammett is good again. And its far too bloody long. Thats as much as needs to be said.

50/100.


+1. Except I'd replace Judas Kiss with All Nightmare Long, and cram in there My Apocalypse too, on the merrits of the cool slayerish middle parts. There are a few other good songs, or rather good parts, but over all it feels too long and too boring.


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Well I usually agree with the reviews here but I dont this time. I think the score was too low for this album and even if Metallica managed to pull off another Master of Puppets it would have gotten a score like this just because they are that huge now commerically. I still dont understand why Unforgiven III is such a hated track, maybe because it is catchy and metal shouldnt be catchy? I thought it was a good track with a very good solo.

As I mentioned in another topic, id give this album around 85/100. If this album was released right before TBA im sure it would have received that score. Now Metallica are just sellouts by default.


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Well I usually agree with the reviews here but I dont this time. I think the score was too low for this album and even if Metallica managed to pull off another Master of Puppets it would have gotten a score like this just because they are that huge now commerically. I still dont understand why Unforgiven III is such a hated track, maybe because it is catchy and metal shouldnt be catchy? I thought it was a good track with a very good solo.

As I mentioned in another topic, id give this album around 85/100. If this album was released right before TBA im sure it would have received that score. Now Metallica are just sellouts by default.


Most of the tracks are catchy/have parts designed to be catchy, but as much as I like catchiness in my Metal it doesn't always work here, often seeming too calculated and cobbled-together. As I said in my Slipknot review, I refuse to praise a band just because they have metal riffs and solos - it's what they do with them that counts. I don't think Metallica didn't do enough on DM to warrant anything above the score I gave.

I pride myself that if it was Master Of Puppets 2 then I'd have said so, and scored accordingly. Poor argument.


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RedHawk wrote:
Well I usually agree with the reviews here but I dont this time. I think the score was too low for this album and even if Metallica managed to pull off another Master of Puppets it would have gotten a score like this just because they are that huge now commerically. I still dont understand why Unforgiven III is such a hated track, maybe because it is catchy and metal shouldnt be catchy? I thought it was a good track with a very good solo.

As I mentioned in another topic, id give this album around 85/100. If this album was released right before TBA im sure it would have received that score. Now Metallica are just sellouts by default.


Most of the tracks are catchy/have parts designed to be catchy, but as much as I like catchiness in my Metal it doesn't always work here, often seeming too calculated and cobbled-together. As I said in my Slipknot review, I refuse to praise a band just because they have metal riffs and solos - it's what they do with them that counts. I don't think Metallica didn't do enough on DM to warrant anything above the score I gave.

I pride myself that if it was Master Of Puppets 2 then I'd have said so, and scored accordingly. Poor argument.


Well the whole arguement would have been helped if that Slipknot turd wasnt mentioned here :)

Anyway it would be really interesting to see what score RTL would get.....


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RedHawk wrote:
Well I usually agree with the reviews here but I dont this time. I think the score was too low for this album and even if Metallica managed to pull off another Master of Puppets it would have gotten a score like this just because they are that huge now commerically. I still dont understand why Unforgiven III is such a hated track, maybe because it is catchy and metal shouldnt be catchy? I thought it was a good track with a very good solo.

As I mentioned in another topic, id give this album around 85/100. If this album was released right before TBA im sure it would have received that score. Now Metallica are just sellouts by default.


Most of the tracks are catchy/have parts designed to be catchy, but as much as I like catchiness in my Metal it doesn't always work here, often seeming too calculated and cobbled-together. As I said in my Slipknot review, I refuse to praise a band just because they have metal riffs and solos - it's what they do with them that counts. I don't think Metallica didn't do enough on DM to warrant anything above the score I gave.

I pride myself that if it was Master Of Puppets 2 then I'd have said so, and scored accordingly. Poor argument.


Well the whole arguement would have been helped if that Slipknot turd wasnt mentioned here :)

Anyway it would be really interesting to see what score RTL would get.....


What, from me? It's a classic, but I'd probably score it around the low 80s myself. Master Of Puppets and Justice in the 90s, Kill Em All late 80s.


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I always think it's funny when people say "This could be Master Of Puppets 2, and people would hate it because it's mainstream." Not just for this album, but for any album. Arguments like that vastly oversimplify the issue. I might be crazy, but when people say they don't like an album, I think they genuinely don't like it. And plus, when you get right down to it, this isn't Master Of Puppets 2.

And really, aren't there better albums out there than Master Of Puppets? Everyone always seems to try and release the sequel.


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Puppets is my least favourite 80's Metallica album.

As for Death Magnetic, i've only listened to it once. But I agree with Zads review so far.


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Puppets is my least favourite 80's Metallica album.
Agreed.


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I might be crazy, but when people say they don't like an album, I think they genuinely don't like it. And plus, when you get right down to it, this isn't Master Of Puppets 2.


You're definitely not crazy. I can understand when someone doesnt like an album like St Anger, but what I dont understand is when someone doesnt like an album (or thinks its average) like DM when it sounds so similar to other albums that get a classic status (AJFA and RTL). Maybe im too thick to see the difference but im pretty sure that if another band managed to make an album like this it would have gotten a higher score.
Hope no one takes this personally im just stating my opinion here....


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Zad wrote:
RedHawk wrote:
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RedHawk wrote:
Well I usually agree with the reviews here but I dont this time. I think the score was too low for this album and even if Metallica managed to pull off another Master of Puppets it would have gotten a score like this just because they are that huge now commerically. I still dont understand why Unforgiven III is such a hated track, maybe because it is catchy and metal shouldnt be catchy? I thought it was a good track with a very good solo.

As I mentioned in another topic, id give this album around 85/100. If this album was released right before TBA im sure it would have received that score. Now Metallica are just sellouts by default.


Most of the tracks are catchy/have parts designed to be catchy, but as much as I like catchiness in my Metal it doesn't always work here, often seeming too calculated and cobbled-together. As I said in my Slipknot review, I refuse to praise a band just because they have metal riffs and solos - it's what they do with them that counts. I don't think Metallica didn't do enough on DM to warrant anything above the score I gave.

I pride myself that if it was Master Of Puppets 2 then I'd have said so, and scored accordingly. Poor argument.


Well the whole arguement would have been helped if that Slipknot turd wasnt mentioned here :)

Anyway it would be really interesting to see what score RTL would get.....


What, from me? It's a classic, but I'd probably score it around the low 80s myself. Master Of Puppets and Justice in the 90s, Kill Em All late 80s.


Opps sorry dude didnt know it was already reviewed...my bad!


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Legacy Of The Night wrote:
I might be crazy, but when people say they don't like an album, I think they genuinely don't like it. And plus, when you get right down to it, this isn't Master Of Puppets 2.


You're definitely not crazy. I can understand when someone doesnt like an album like St Anger, but what I dont understand is when someone doesnt like an album (or thinks its average) like DM when it sounds so similar to other albums that get a classic status (AJFA and RTL). Maybe im too thick to see the difference but im pretty sure that if another band managed to make an album like this it would have gotten a higher score.
Hope no one takes this personally im just stating my opinion here....


Why is it so similar? Because you think so? I think it has nothing in common with RTL and very little with AJFA. Besides, the few passages that remind AJFA do this only stylistically, the quality is far from the same. And probably more people see it my way than yours. So that's why you're facing this dilema: you start from a flawed premise, which you envision as an absolute truth.


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OldSchool wrote:
RedHawk wrote:
Legacy Of The Night wrote:
I might be crazy, but when people say they don't like an album, I think they genuinely don't like it. And plus, when you get right down to it, this isn't Master Of Puppets 2.


You're definitely not crazy. I can understand when someone doesnt like an album like St Anger, but what I dont understand is when someone doesnt like an album (or thinks its average) like DM when it sounds so similar to other albums that get a classic status (AJFA and RTL). Maybe im too thick to see the difference but im pretty sure that if another band managed to make an album like this it would have gotten a higher score.
Hope no one takes this personally im just stating my opinion here....


Why is it so similar? Because you think so? I think it has nothing in common with RTL and very little with AJFA. Besides, the few passages that remind AJFA do this only stylistically, the quality is far from the same. And probably more people see it my way than yours. So that's why you're facing this dilema: you start from a flawed premise, which you envision as an absolute truth.


Hey its just my taste in music and the way I listen to it, so what is flawed in your opinion might not be in mine. I never said it was the absolute truth just my humble opinion. Glad more people see it your way.


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OldSchool wrote:
RedHawk wrote:
Legacy Of The Night wrote:
I might be crazy, but when people say they don't like an album, I think they genuinely don't like it. And plus, when you get right down to it, this isn't Master Of Puppets 2.


You're definitely not crazy. I can understand when someone doesnt like an album like St Anger, but what I dont understand is when someone doesnt like an album (or thinks its average) like DM when it sounds so similar to other albums that get a classic status (AJFA and RTL). Maybe im too thick to see the difference but im pretty sure that if another band managed to make an album like this it would have gotten a higher score.
Hope no one takes this personally im just stating my opinion here....


Why is it so similar? Because you think so? I think it has nothing in common with RTL and very little with AJFA. Besides, the few passages that remind AJFA do this only stylistically, the quality is far from the same. And probably more people see it my way than yours. So that's why you're facing this dilema: you start from a flawed premise, which you envision as an absolute truth.


No offense man, but sometimes you sound way too pretentious.


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OldSchool wrote:
RedHawk wrote:
Legacy Of The Night wrote:
I might be crazy, but when people say they don't like an album, I think they genuinely don't like it. And plus, when you get right down to it, this isn't Master Of Puppets 2.


You're definitely not crazy. I can understand when someone doesnt like an album like St Anger, but what I dont understand is when someone doesnt like an album (or thinks its average) like DM when it sounds so similar to other albums that get a classic status (AJFA and RTL). Maybe im too thick to see the difference but im pretty sure that if another band managed to make an album like this it would have gotten a higher score.
Hope no one takes this personally im just stating my opinion here....


Why is it so similar? Because you think so? I think it has nothing in common with RTL and very little with AJFA. Besides, the few passages that remind AJFA do this only stylistically, the quality is far from the same. And probably more people see it my way than yours. So that's why you're facing this dilema: you start from a flawed premise, which you envision as an absolute truth.


FALLACY! The fact that a greater amount of people share an opinion does not make that opinion any more valid.

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I loved this album. I hate to tell you I told you so... But you can read my comments from long ago if you doubt it.

8.50 - 4.0 Stars - Silver Award Winner

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85/100 using your scale

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That Was Just Your Life and The Judas Kiss are easily the best songs on the album for me. As for everything else. The first 3 songs are good and the last 3 are good. Its the middle of the album that drags, I really don't like Cyanide or The Day That Never Comes and as for All Nightmare Long and Unforgiven III, they are kinda meh, decent enough songs. I would probably give the album an 80/100 since those 6 songs I like, I really like. And really only 2 failures are here IMO.


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metal_xxx wrote:
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Actually, the guys sounds tired and out of shape. There is a lot of boring stuff here, but there is some good parts too. The opener is a great song. I don't agree on the solos though, its too fucking sloppy and uncreative.
Ähm, you are in the false thread. This is not Load (or Reload).

:rolleyes:

DM 73
Load 79

???

B u l l s h i t

Kill Em All 96
Ride The Lightning 97
Master of Puppets 98
And Justice For All 91
Black Album 88
Load 65
Reload 75
St. Anger 78
Death Magnetic 90

That would be my score (at this moment).


Different reviewers..

And DM 90/100? don't be silly, do you call this a masterpiece? Open your eyes.


No. A Mmasterpiece is IMO 100/100 and nothing less, because I usually rate Albums in 0,5er steps from 0 to 10. Video and Computergames need 1% Steps IMO, but for Music Records I don't think it's necessary.

73 is 7/10 and that's too low because Load in my rating system would get here translated 8/10 (79) and that's waaaaay too much for that slow and boring crap record.

And a main critic point for the last 4 Metallica records, beside the missing thrash riffs is, that they are just too slow. Metallica were know for not only thrash but also speed metal, and from TBA to St. Anger it was just too slow. DM is the first record, where the tempo is finally fast - sometimes very fast, and the thrash riffs are back, the thrash guitar distortion is back and it's the first Album since the black one, thats SOUNDS like Metallica.


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Man, and I thought that with Ken gone the pointless discussions would be a thing of the past :rolleyes:


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This is undoubtedly not as good the 4 first, but it is by far the best since that.

But is it just me that found the vocal of James is horrible!!!


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
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Actually, the guys sounds tired and out of shape. There is a lot of boring stuff here, but there is some good parts too. The opener is a great song. I don't agree on the solos though, its too fucking sloppy and uncreative.
Ähm, you are in the false thread. This is not Load (or Reload).

:rolleyes:

DM 73
Load 79

???

B u l l s h i t

Kill Em All 96
Ride The Lightning 97
Master of Puppets 98
And Justice For All 91
Black Album 88
Load 65
Reload 75
St. Anger 78
Death Magnetic 90

That would be my score (at this moment).


On that note: Here's what I gave the metallica albums (based on my own criteria)

Kill 'em all - 88
ride the lightning - 91
master of puppets - 96
and justice for all - 94
metallica - 90
load - no quote yet
reload - 78
st. anger - no quote yet
death magnetic - 85

please note that out of 233 albums, only 6 have gotten above a 95 from me and an album has never scored below a 60

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