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Who will/would you pick?
Obama 74%  74%  [ 29 ]
Hilary 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
McCain 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
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Not Fox News fans?


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Not Fox News fans?


On the basis of unintentional comedy as a byproduct of extreme bias, its great. As a reputable news source, not so much.


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Fine; but you agree that there is a sizeable part of the US media with a conservative bias?


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Fine; but you agree that there is a sizeable part of the US media with a conservative bias?


I don't know if I'd go that far. If I had to look at the major news networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN), I would say they all fall somewhere between bipartisan and slightly liberal. Then there's MSNBC, which is the liberal version of Fox, though not nearly as ridiculous. In the end, I really don't see a strong bias to either side. What's funny is, your perception of bias is usually determined by your political affiliations. You find me a guy who says the media has a liberal bias, I'll show a conservative and vice versa.


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The media is has a bipartisan division. For every Fox, there is an MSNBC. My big problem is that the media is unwilling to call people out when they lie. They wouldn't do it with Hillary, Palin, or McCain so unless the average citizen looks on the internet or watches liberal commentators on MSNBC; they aren't going to get that information.


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Steve Bell's awesome, still the best reason to read The Guardian.


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The media is has a bipartisan division. For every Fox, there is an MSNBC. My big problem is that the media is unwilling to call people out when they lie. They wouldn't do it with Hillary, Palin, or McCain so unless the average citizen looks on the internet or watches liberal commentators on MSNBC; they aren't going to get that information.


No lies from Obongo, eh?

What about...

He never heard sermons like Rev. Wright's, that have been in videos on You Tube all day - Lie! 3 days later during his Mea Culpa speech he said "Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did."

His Wife Didn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - Lie, his wife's words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrakhan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.

"I Have Always Been Against Iraq" - Lie, he wasn't in office to vote against it AND he voted to fund it . He also seems to be stepping back from his departure date in Iraq.

"I Don't Take PAC Money" - Lie, he took loads of it. The Obama PAC is the largest PAC in the US Senate. I dare Obama supporters to go look this up.

" I Disagree With My Church All The Time" - Lie, he only recently repudiated Wright, who married him and his wife, and he still donates large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message - hatred and revenge. He donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that he so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK - that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama..

There are many more but...

Any person that will not salute the flag properly has no business running for the highest seat of office in the country, the fact that he is even a candidate is an indictment of this countries stupidity.

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Any person that will not salute the flag properly has no business running for the highest seat of office in the country, the fact that he is even a candidate is an indictment of this countries stupidity.


I think that whole deal got way overblown. Read this:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

He meant no disrespect by it.


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Considering that Palin goes to the type of Church she goes to, I don't see what's so bad about Obama's. The right often is a bit too hasty to criticise black groups for their anger at their country, a country where they only fairly recently were recognised as being normal human beings.

People rely far too much on silly things like this over there - not saluting a flag may not make you a perfect patriot, and indeed rather silly knowing how it would look, but why does that have an impact on your leadership skills?

Let's look at Nixon - he hated Jews, was corrupt as hell, drank and swore a lot, but was the last decent Republican President, even in many ways quite liberal. Who was the older President who carried a stick with him that he randomly beat people in the street with? :lol: I find the differences betweent the American Presidency and the British Prime Ministry fascinating.


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Oh, and none of this, please.


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I was talking about topics that the news media refuses to take up and discuss.

I didn't feel it was necessary to mention the whole Rev. Wright controversy since it was talked about on the news for a whole fucking month.

He spoke about against the Iraq War in 2002. Just because I wasn't in office to vote for it doesn't mean that I don't oppose it. And it'd be pretty shitty of him to vote against money for the troops after we are already in there. Giving a half ass effort to pull out will just get more soldiers killed than necessary so why do that?

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anger at their country, a country where they only fairly recently were recognised as being normal human beings.
It hasn't even been fifty years yet and racism is still really bad in the South like Mississippi. I've heard some horror stories when it comes to black people shoplifting and doing some petty crimes down there.

As for the PAC money, I know that all politicians even the "messiah" takes PAC money and gave it out to convert superdelegates. I don't care if Obama is 100% honest because I don't expect that from a politician; I just care that he shares a majority of the same views that I have and that hopefully he will move towards them once in office.


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People that are bitching about abortion and abstinence and shit like that need to realize that it really doesn't matter what she or anyone thinks, Roe v. Wade is not getting overturned. Abortion is a pretty pointless issue to make your most important when choosing a candidate, in my opinion.


Wow, how'd I miss this? I completely and utterly disagree. The woman at the centre of Roe v Wade herself tried to get it overturned, Scalia has multiple times come out against it, both Bushs, Ford and Reagan were against it. There's been a few laws chipping away at it - the Partial Birth Abortion Ban, for instance. Even in England, there was an attempt to lower the limit in Parliament - considering how much of a percentage of the American people are against it, I think there's a possibility of Palin trying to get it overturned.

And agreed with trapt: anyone shocked when politicians lie, get over it. That's what they do.


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Wow, how'd I miss this? I completely and utterly disagree. The woman at the centre of Roe v Wade herself tried to get it overturned, Scalia has multiple times come out against it, both Bushs, Ford and Reagan were against it. There's been a few laws chipping away at it - the Partial Birth Abortion Ban, for instance. Even in England, there was an attempt to lower the limit in Parliament - considering how much of a percentage of the American people are against it, I think there's a possibility of Palin trying to get it overturned.


Zad, I would bet every cent I ever earn for the rest of my life that Roe v Wade will never be overturned. There would have to be an extremely long, uninterrupted, and simultaneous period of Republican control, not only in the Presidency, but in the Senate, Congress, and the Supreme Court for it to even be possible. Do you really think that is ever going to happen? If so, then I suggest you do a little studying into the history of US politics.

Oh, and Partial Birth Abortion Ban is not chipping away at the basic idea of abortion in my mind. Partial birth abortion is pretty disgusting, hence the reason a lot of Democrats even support its banning. It's easy to say that abortion isn't murder when the baby is an embryo that you can barely see. Its quite another to begin birthing the baby, see it, touch it, and then slaughter it.


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Any person that will not salute the flag properly has no business running for the highest seat of office in the country, the fact that he is even a candidate is an indictment of this countries stupidity.


I think that whole deal got way overblown. Read this:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

He meant no disrespect by it.


Whether he meant no disrespect or not is irrelevant; and I'm not buying it.
Switch over a bit...
if it was a white candidate that belonged to a church with the exact (though diametrically opposite, e.i., white instead of black) leanings, had ties with David Duke, without any experience, caught numerous times in lies, AND shown with his back to the flag while everybody else seemed to understand that it was time to place their hands over their hearts, and a potential First Lady sdtating she had never been proud of her country 'til now, he would be history.
The lefties are counting on "white guilt" to propel this empty suit.
Sorry, but slogans and catch phrases aren't gonna cut it.

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Wow, how'd I miss this? I completely and utterly disagree. The woman at the centre of Roe v Wade herself tried to get it overturned, Scalia has multiple times come out against it, both Bushs, Ford and Reagan were against it. There's been a few laws chipping away at it - the Partial Birth Abortion Ban, for instance. Even in England, there was an attempt to lower the limit in Parliament - considering how much of a percentage of the American people are against it, I think there's a possibility of Palin trying to get it overturned.


Zad, I would bet every cent I ever earn for the rest of my life that Roe v Wade will never be overturned. There would have to be an extremely long, uninterrupted, and simultaneous period of Republican control, not only in the Presidency, but in the Senate, Congress, and the Supreme Court for it to even be possible. Do you really think that is ever going to happen? If so, then I suggest you do a little studying into the history of US politics.

Oh, and Partial Birth Abortion Ban is not chipping away at the basic idea of abortion in my mind. Partial birth abortion is pretty disgusting, hence the reason a lot of Democrats even support its banning. It's easy to say that abortion isn't murder when the baby is an embryo that you can barely see. Its quite another to begin birthing the baby, see it, touch it, and then slaughter it.


I agree with this assessment.

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Oh, and none of this, please.


Why not?
Referring to Palin as a bitch and depicting her as a pig is ok, but heaven forbid we even dare poke fun at a black person...
Palin is a mother of five and somebodies wife, show some respect.

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a potential First Lady sdtating she had never been proud of her country 'til now, he would be history.


America's never done anything to be proud about. And personally I think your opinions are a load of bullshit.

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America's never done anything to be proud about. And personally I think your opinions are a load of bullshit.


Wow, great post Fridge! Speaking of a load of bullshit, can we not play the "your country sucks" game today?

:rolleyes: x infinity


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Zad, I would bet every cent I ever earn for the rest of my life that Roe v Wade will never be overturned. There would have to be an extremely long, uninterrupted, and simultaneous period of Republican control, not only in the Presidency, but in the Senate, Congress, and the Supreme Court for it to even be possible. Do you really think that is ever going to happen? If so, then I suggest you do a little studying into the history of US politics.

Oh, and Partial Birth Abortion Ban is not chipping away at the basic idea of abortion in my mind. Partial birth abortion is pretty disgusting, hence the reason a lot of Democrats even support its banning. It's easy to say that abortion isn't murder when the baby is an embryo that you can barely see. Its quite another to begin birthing the baby, see it, touch it, and then slaughter it.


Considering that it's already been challenged in a fair few states (South Dakota, for one, doing this by memory so forgive me if I'm wrong) I think that overturns in certain states could certainly happen. Maybe not in, say, California, granted.

That law's ridiculous, though. They can get around it by injecting the baby before extraction, which if the aim is to stop the killing of babies is very silly.

And I agree, late term abortions are sick and should be avoided as much as humanely possible (coud rant about birth control being more widely available, but whatever) abortion is not a nice topic, but the mother's rights come before the child's in my opinion. We have a 24-week limit here, am I right in thinking that there's no limit there as long as they don't dilate etc?


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Oh, and none of this, please.


Why not?
Referring to Palin as a bitch and depicting her as a pig is ok, but heaven forbid we even dare poke fun at a black person...
Palin is a mother of five and somebodies wife, show some respect.


If we refer to Palin as a bitch or a pig it's for things she's done herself, racial insults are for things attribuited falsely to entire groups.

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