doublewhat wrote:
IronDuchess wrote:
TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
IronDuchess wrote:
SoulSociety wrote:
And Cyanide is ok, but nothing special. Very nice soloing though. Master of Puppets 2 this shall not be though.
Nice soloing, were we listening to the same song?

A very useless solo that brought absolutely nothing to the song, just for the sake of having a solo at all. This song was pretty bad, not as bad as St. Anger material, but still pretty bad.
And even if Metallica managed to make another "Ride the Lightening", I'm not sure I could even consider it a legit comeback. As far as I'm concerned their actions for the last 18 or so years makes it impossible for me to view this band in a positive light. Hell, Hammett could start soloing like its 1986, and I still wouldn't be able to bring myself to give this band a penny or a millimeter of respect.
How can you judge the song if you will not like it, even if it would be as good as RTL or MOP???
So much to the topic: "impartial"
And for all who are not so "objective", here is some good stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgHUI1SXST4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXWBWVkwL8http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601104Quite easily, actually. The funny thing is you seem to be implying that I'm closed-minded because of my comments, however, if you'd look beyond "black and white", you'd see they aren't so closed-minded. F.ex., I know many people that I can admit are very intelligent, and yet many aspects of their personality make it very difficult for me to respect them.
Let's put it this way, I would
in no way deny Metallica's musicianship were they to accomplish something on par with Ride the Lightening or Kill 'Em 'All. What I stated in my comment was on the issue of respect. It is possible to both fail to respect a band due to their past actions, while still acknowledging talent. However, I am judging this current offering based on the skill level they've exhibited in that one song, and as far as I'm concerned the solo is weak, the song is weak, it is nothing for me to be impressed about. Whether I respect them or not, this song is, musically, quite pathetic. There are a million lesser known bands that are producing music a million times better than this, but will not get a million topics on every metal forum dedicated to their every new album simply because they never produced anything to catch the
mainstream's attention, or because they don't have the history.
after listening to the solo a couple of times, I started to get a feeling of deja-vu, like i heard that solo somewhere before. So i went through all the solos of each song from lightning to justice. Just listen to the end part of Orion. The part where it goes all fast and crazy. The solos sound very similiar to each other. The way the drums are being played during the solo for Orion is exactly the same the drums are being played during the solo for Cyanide. You must be high to think that this solo is bad. You obviously don't really like Metallica. It seems like Metallica kept their word when they said that they were going to lookback at the first four albums for inspiration.
Actually, quite glad you brought up Orion in comparison to Cyanide, and I think it might help make my point a little clearer. Let's look at the two solos, now let's say I concede that the solos are similar, how are they used in either song? In Orion there's a huge build up, the song goes through several extreme tempo changes, the whole song feels like it tells a story. When it comes to the end solo there's been a huge build up throughout the song, then suddenly the song speeds back up again, and out pops a solo which has been, musically, in the making for the entire song. It fits right in. This solo actually goes somewhere and serves some kind of function. Not only that, even if we say that Cyanide's solo takes from this solo, I'd still say that Orion's final solo actually does sound a little more complex in its general making. In fact, there is a portion of the solo that I'd say is taken right out of a song from the black album. Honestly, I don't have Metallica's entire repertoire in my head as I'm not a huge fan, but I am pretty much 100% sure a portion of it is.
The point is, whether the solo from Cyanide was "inspired" by Orion or not, it is pretty much pointless as a solo. Unlike many of their older songs, this solo has very little build up, and really leads nowhere. Solos, particularly in a fast paced song, often have the effect of jacking up the audience, either being the result of a build up or function as an adrenaline pumping build up. Cyanide solo just doesn't do that...it's just there for the sake of being a solo, and for the sake of Metallica being able to say that they're making a shift backward. To me, the song is just another radio friendly rock (I'd give it borderline metal for this one) song from the "new" Metallica.
Edit, oh and as for the drumming, honestly I think we all know Lars has never been the best drummer on earth. To see the same drum patterns pop up throughout Metallica's work isn't really surprising, nor a testament as to how good they may or may not be.
@Afro Lint,
not even worth posting a new post.
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Anyone calling that song "quiet pathetic" is close-minded. Someone that is open-minded knows when a song is good or not, and will acknowledge this, whether or not it's something he/she enjoys to listen to.
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Let's put it this way, I would in no way deny Metallica's musicianship were they to accomplish something on par with Ride the Lightening or Kill 'Em 'All. What I stated in my comment was on the issue of respect. It is possible to both fail to respect a band due to their past actions, while still acknowledging talent. However, I am judging this current offering based on the skill level they've exhibited in that one song, and as far as I'm concerned the solo is weak, the song is weak, it is nothing for me to be impressed about. Whether I respect them or not, this song is, musically, quite pathetic. There are a million lesser known bands that are producing music a million times better than this, but will not get a million topics on every metal forum dedicated to their every new album simply because they never produced anything to catch the mainstream's attention, or because they don't have the history.