Dumbest Fanbase In Metal?

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:41 am

Emperor Me wrote:

I'm surprised that no has yet touched on the fact that many black metal fans were responsible for church burnings throughout the '90s. Supposedly some of the actual artists started these events, but for any fan base to be so ignorant and narrow-minded as to violently attack other people's faith, usually in vain, just because their favorite musicians said so...that's something beyond mere stupidity, in my book.

And I guess it goes without mentioning that many of the churches they burned actually pre-dated Christianity. Morons.

It was a small isolated string of events carried out by a few individuals within a small inner circle of BM musicians in Norway.
Actually, most BM "fans" that I've encountered via the Web and real life are for the most part fairly intelligent and insightful.
Well-versed in the arts, politics, religion, culture and whatnot, etc., etc. and hardly "dumb".
You cannot base an opinion on an entire genre and it's adherents based on something done by a small group of teenagers more than fifteen years ago.

And all this was covered a while back , as some here may remember...

ganeshaRules · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:49 am

cry of the banshee wrote:

This poll is lame, sorry... all sub-genres have their retards.
Thrash with their drink 'til you puke tendencies, Power with their fairies and leprachauns, Black with their kvlt trueness, Nu-metal for being retarded, etc.
Fuck, something like 80% of the general population is pretty much lame, no matter how you slice it.
That being said, I pick Power.

100% agree... I voted classic metal, just thinking in Manowar fans and the Death to posers and True metal is manowar actitude :ph34r:

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

Raven wrote:

Adveser wrote:

showmaster wrote:

I would voted for the gothic ones but they aren't in selection.

Why do lots of you consider thrash stupid?

It isn't so much the genre but some of the over 40 crowd that are thrash relics from way back that were always morons.

What qualifies the 40+ thrash fan as a moron? Is it being stuck in the past musically or "I'm still living in my parents basement" kind of a thing?

I guess I'm curious because I'm 38 and I don't find myself gravitating toward older metal fans because the majority of them seem stuck in a time warp. There are older bands that I still follow but 90% of the time I find myself listening to music that was created within the last 5 years or so.

You need to learn to read. I never implied thrash fans are morons, I said there are a lot of morons over 40 that are into thrash> That should have read as being mutallly exclusive. Furthermore, a lot of them aren't stuck in the 80's but just can't listen to anything outside of the 80's thrash influence or NWOBHM or whatever.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

Emperor Me wrote:

I'm surprised that no has yet touched on the fact that many black metal fans were responsible for church burnings throughout the '90s. Supposedly some of the actual artists started these events, but for any fan base to be so ignorant and narrow-minded as to violently attack other people's faith, usually in vain, just because their favorite musicians said so...that's something beyond mere stupidity, in my book.

And I guess it goes without mentioning that many of the churches they burned actually pre-dated Christianity. Morons.

Many? Fans? Surely you have confused the facts. These guys were likely using BM as a cop-out for their behaviour. There were not many. there were a few done by psychotic individuals.

Also, I think church burnings aren't a bad idea. Seems like Christians love insulting everyones relion but when they feel discriminated against if anyone says anything negative about them. More hypocisy. Im not surprised.

Dylan@Metalreviews · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:35 pm

Adveser wrote:

Emperor Me wrote:

I'm surprised that no has yet touched on the fact that many black metal fans were responsible for church burnings throughout the '90s. Supposedly some of the actual artists started these events, but for any fan base to be so ignorant and narrow-minded as to violently attack other people's faith, usually in vain, just because their favorite musicians said so...that's something beyond mere stupidity, in my book.

And I guess it goes without mentioning that many of the churches they burned actually pre-dated Christianity. Morons.

Many? Fans? Surely you have confused the facts. These guys were likely using BM as a cop-out for their behaviour. There were not many. there were a few done by psychotic individuals.

Also, I think church burnings aren't a bad idea. Seems like Christians love insulting everyones relion but when they feel discriminated against if anyone says anything negative about them. More hypocisy. Im not surprised.

Are you siding with a handful of psychotic arsonists?

Rhys · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:35 pm

Maybe one day we'll find out V is Samoth or something. lol

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:44 pm

I have to admit that the whole corpsepaint thing is more often than not rather corny... though, like everything else, there are exceptions.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:55 pm

Adveser wrote:

Raven wrote:

Adveser wrote:

showmaster wrote:

I would voted for the gothic ones but they aren't in selection.

Why do lots of you consider thrash stupid?

It isn't so much the genre but some of the over 40 crowd that are thrash relics from way back that were always morons.

What qualifies the 40+ thrash fan as a moron? Is it being stuck in the past musically or "I'm still living in my parents basement" kind of a thing?

I guess I'm curious because I'm 38 and I don't find myself gravitating toward older metal fans because the majority of them seem stuck in a time warp. There are older bands that I still follow but 90% of the time I find myself listening to music that was created within the last 5 years or so.

You need to learn to read. I never implied thrash fans are morons, I said there are a lot of morons over 40 that are into thrash> That should have read as being mutallly exclusive. Furthermore, a lot of them aren't stuck in the 80's but just can't listen to anything outside of the 80's thrash influence or NWOBHM or whatever.

There are a lot of morons over 40 into a lot of things. A lot of morons under 40, as well.
If a person wishes to listen to nothing but 80's thrash and NWOBHM, that doesn't make them a moron; it simply means they have good taste in music, and it's their perogative.
The 80's produced some of the best metal to this day, there are worse catagories of music to listen exclusively to, you know.
Theres something in this world for everybody, after all.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:59 pm

following the reaper wrote:

Maybe one day we'll find out V is Samoth or something. lol

Interesting... if I could be any figure in music, I would choose Hank Shermann just because he is my favorite axe-man.
Or Lemmy to experience godliness.

IronDuchess · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:40 pm

Power metal fans *shudders*

Though I'm of the opinion that a special category should be reserved for Manowar fans...seriously some of the most retarded/annoying people I have ever come across :lol:

Basically it'd be something like power metal fans, classic heavy metal fans, followed by thrash metal fans.

Mintrude · **Posted:** Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:48 pm

Those thrash fans who are always like "RAAAAAAAAR THRAAAAAAAAAAASH!!!" and basically if it's not Tankard (no disrespect to Tankard) they don't want to know. Have you read the reviews by those kinds of people on metal-archives?

Caligula_K · **Joined:** Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:56 pm **Posts:** 3561

Adveser wrote:

Emperor Me wrote:

I'm surprised that no has yet touched on the fact that many black metal fans were responsible for church burnings throughout the '90s. Supposedly some of the actual artists started these events, but for any fan base to be so ignorant and narrow-minded as to violently attack other people's faith, usually in vain, just because their favorite musicians said so...that's something beyond mere stupidity, in my book.

And I guess it goes without mentioning that many of the churches they burned actually pre-dated Christianity. Morons.

Also, I think church burnings aren't a bad idea. Seems like Christians love insulting everyones relion but when they feel discriminated against if anyone says anything negative about them. More hypocisy. Im not surprised.

Lets follow your argument:

1. Every Christian insults all other religions.
2. It is hypocrital for all Christians to feel discriminated against when others say negative things against them.
Conclusion: Its okay to burn churches down.

Nice.

Goat · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:06 am

Adveser wrote:

Also, I think church burnings aren't a bad idea. Seems like Christians love insulting everyones relion but when they feel discriminated against if anyone says anything negative about them. More hypocisy. Im not surprised.

So why not burn mosques? Hate everyone equally!

Emperor Me · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:10 am

I hope I didn't imply that all BM fans are fine with church-burnings! That would be highly ignorant of me, especially considering I personally know a couple of BM supporters who are about as harmless as newborn kittens.

But even after I thought about it, I decided that no other metal fanbase has any real equivalent (at least, not any that I can think of) to the atrocious actions that those BM fans committed, however small in number and however long ago. That's what earned them my vote in the end.

As for the less psychotic, more common flavor of black metalheads?...well, you know those harmless BMers I mentioned above? One of them likes to pretend to cringe or vomit every time someone mentions "Jesus" or "the bible" or, quite frankly, anything remotely related to Christianty. I happen to have a huge issue with people who make others uncomfortable in what they believe, and I'm getting the feeling that a great number of other BM fans are like this. Not cool, IMO.

Goat · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:20 am

Emperor Me wrote:

I hope I didn't imply that all BM fans are fine with church-burnings! That would be highly ignorant of me, especially considering I personally know a couple of BM supporters who are about as harmless as newborn kittens.

But even after I thought about it, I decided that no other metal fanbase has any real equivalent (at least, not any that I can think of) to the atrocious actions that those BM fans committed, however small in number and however long ago. That's what earned them my vote in the end.

As for the less psychotic, more common flavor of black metalheads?...well, you know those harmless BMers I mentioned above? One of them likes to pretend to cringe or vomit every time someone mentions "Jesus" or "the bible" or, quite frankly, anything remotely related to Christianty. I happen to have a huge issue with people who make others uncomfortable in what they believe, and I'm getting the feeling that a great number of other BM fans are like this. Not cool, IMO.

You mean you haven't heard of the infamous Groove Metal Flayings? :rolleyes:

I'd have though the fact that a few Black Metal BAND MEMBERS killed people was slightly more serious than torching a few churches. And I suspect that you haven't listened to much Black Metal, hence this view of it as some horrific cult rather than the hilarious yet sometimes rather nice and atmospheric type of music that the rest of us see it as.

Mintrude · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:33 am

Well, these days black metal's about as dangerous as a damp sheep.

Mike · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:54 am

Adveser wrote:

Raven wrote:

Adveser wrote:

showmaster wrote:

I would voted for the gothic ones but they aren't in selection.

Why do lots of you consider thrash stupid?

It isn't so much the genre but some of the over 40 crowd that are thrash relics from way back that were always morons.

What qualifies the 40+ thrash fan as a moron? Is it being stuck in the past musically or "I'm still living in my parents basement" kind of a thing?

I guess I'm curious because I'm 38 and I don't find myself gravitating toward older metal fans because the majority of them seem stuck in a time warp. There are older bands that I still follow but 90% of the time I find myself listening to music that was created within the last 5 years or so.

You need to learn to read. I never implied thrash fans are morons, I said there are a lot of morons over 40 that are into thrash> That should have read as being mutallly exclusive. Furthermore, a lot of them aren't stuck in the 80's but just can't listen to anything outside of the 80's thrash influence or NWOBHM or whatever.

Adveser....what is your problem? I wasn't being confrontational, I was asking you a logical question based upon how you phrased your statement. I'm not entering into a debate of semantics with you. Here's a suggestion .......you should learn to write clearly. :wink:

Emperor Me · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:59 am

Zad wrote:

Emperor Me wrote:

I hope I didn't imply that all BM fans are fine with church-burnings! That would be highly ignorant of me, especially considering I personally know a couple of BM supporters who are about as harmless as newborn kittens.

But even after I thought about it, I decided that no other metal fanbase has any real equivalent (at least, not any that I can think of) to the atrocious actions that those BM fans committed, however small in number and however long ago. That's what earned them my vote in the end.

As for the less psychotic, more common flavor of black metalheads?...well, you know those harmless BMers I mentioned above? One of them likes to pretend to cringe or vomit every time someone mentions "Jesus" or "the bible" or, quite frankly, anything remotely related to Christianty. I happen to have a huge issue with people who make others uncomfortable in what they believe, and I'm getting the feeling that a great number of other BM fans are like this. Not cool, IMO.

You mean you haven't heard of the infamous Groove Metal Flayings? :rolleyes:

I'd have though the fact that a few Black Metal BAND MEMBERS killed people was slightly more serious than torching a few churches. And I suspect that you haven't listened to much Black Metal, hence this view of it as some horrific cult rather than the hilarious yet sometimes rather nice and atmospheric type of music that the rest of us see it as.

Horrific cult? Did I really make it sound like that? :blink:

You're right in that I don't really listen to much black metal, but I am aware that many bands (perhaps, a majority of them) are not meant to be taken seriously. That doesn't mean the fans are bound to take it as such, even if a majority of them do. Whether the bands they worship are nice guys or a bunch of whackjobs, it doesn't excuse the actions of the fans either way when a couple of them decide to go burn a church.

I'll agree without question, however, that as far as black metal goes there have been far worse events on the "bands" side than the "fans" side. People like, say, Varg Vikernes aren't too common in the music industry.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:30 am

Zad wrote:

Adveser wrote:

Also, I think church burnings aren't a bad idea. Seems like Christians love insulting everyones relion but when they feel discriminated against if anyone says anything negative about them. More hypocisy. Im not surprised.

So why not burn mosques? Hate everyone equally!

Or synagogues...

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:33 am

Brahm_K wrote:

Adveser wrote:

Emperor Me wrote:

I'm surprised that no has yet touched on the fact that many black metal fans were responsible for church burnings throughout the '90s. Supposedly some of the actual artists started these events, but for any fan base to be so ignorant and narrow-minded as to violently attack other people's faith, usually in vain, just because their favorite musicians said so...that's something beyond mere stupidity, in my book.

And I guess it goes without mentioning that many of the churches they burned actually pre-dated Christianity. Morons.

Also, I think church burnings aren't a bad idea. Seems like Christians love insulting everyones relion but when they feel discriminated against if anyone says anything negative about them. More hypocisy. Im not surprised.

Lets follow your argument:

1. Every Christian insults all other religions.
2. It is hypocrital for all Christians to feel discriminated against when others say negative things against them.
Conclusion: Its okay to burn churches down.

Nice.

Maybe it's really Novack from way back.

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