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But my point is that Trivium are a band that just were in the right place at the right time. I think Heafy was like thirteen or fourteen when Roadrunner signed them. What do you expect from kids that young? They're going to emulate things, whatever's popular basically, since kids that young generally follow what's popular (you all did it, don't lie).


That's actually wrong...he was like seventeen or eighteen when they released Ember to Inferno on some minor label, then they got signed to Roadrunner when he was about twenty. Still really young, but not fourteen...I think he was fourteen when they formed the band.


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I don't see why people go hating on Trivium. first, apart from the not so good screaming vocals there's not much to hate. Yes, Ascendancy had metalcorish elements, but it wasn't all that. It had also Metal, and Death metal elements. From memory it had way more solos than breakdowns throughout the album. People keep complaining saying they suck because they're Metalcore... thats just bullshit. They just want to hear what they want to hear and that's the metalcore side, because their not looking for a reason to like it but to hate it..
Hating metalcore is a fade and a stupid one at that. If the Music is good it's good no matter the genre why limit yourselves ? You're aloud to dislike Trivium but to say their shit because they're metalcore just goes to show the you don't think for yourselves and follow trends. Listen to As I lay Dying's "Sound of Truth" : http://youtube.com/watch?v=mOoTibcd__g
and tell me it ain't good music, yeah the band is labeled metalcore but I simply don't care.

Critics sometimes have the worst opinions. Take for example Wezeer's Pinkerton album released in 1996. That album was great and still is but had the worst reviews ever. Rolling stone even awarded it the worst album of the year WTF !? 12 years later it's talked and regarded as one of the great records of the 90's and is viewed a stepping stone in a genre by fans and critics. The lesson here is to take critics lightly and make up your own mind.


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So why give a horse's ass what a magazine writes?


I don't. I was just bringing it up as a point of discussion that many magazines and metalheads view the move as pretentious and as Trivium thinking they're big enough to be like Metallica or something.

I've no problem at all with the direction Trivium is taking. The Crusade was alright and it'll be interesting to see what's next.


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also two of my favourite albums were released by 17 or 18 year olds so going on about age is silly.

No it's not. You simply failed to grasp the very obvious point I made.


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Afro Lint wrote:
But my point is that Trivium are a band that just were in the right place at the right time. I think Heafy was like thirteen or fourteen when Roadrunner signed them. What do you expect from kids that young? They're going to emulate things, whatever's popular basically, since kids that young generally follow what's popular (you all did it, don't lie).

That's actually wrong...he was like seventeen or eighteen when they released Ember to Inferno on some minor label, then they got signed to Roadrunner when he was about twenty. Still really young, but not fourteen...I think he was fourteen when they formed the band.

Well, whatever the age, it doesn't change what I said.


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With all my rambling above ^^
I forgot to mention a very important point.
Ascendancy isn't that far off from The Last Crusade apart from the vocals. They were already leading in the Metal/Thrash territory so to me it's a natural evolution it has nothing to do with going with what is popular It's all about what they like as individuals.

rambling over


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I don't see why people go hating on Trivium. first, apart from the not so good screaming vocals there's not much to hate. Yes, Ascendancy had metalcorish elements, but it wasn't all that. It had also Metal, and Death metal elements. From memory it had way more solos than breakdowns throughout the album. People keep complaining saying they suck because they're Metalcore... thats just bullshit. They just want to hear what they want to hear and that's the metalcore side, because their not looking for a reason to like it but to hate it..
Hating metalcore is a fade and a stupid one at that. If the Music is good it's good no matter the genre why limit yourselves ? You're aloud to dislike Trivium but to say their shit because they're metalcore just goes to show the you don't think for yourselves and follow trends. Listen to As I lay Dying's "Sound of Truth" : http://youtube.com/watch?v=mOoTibcd__g
and tell me it ain't good music, yeah the band is labeled metalcore but I simply don't care.


Critics sometimes have the worst opinions. Take for example Wezeer's Pinkerton album released in 1996. That album was great and still is but had the worst reviews ever. Rolling stone even awarded it the worst album of the year WTF !? 12 years later it's talked and regarded as one of the great records of the 90's and is viewed a stepping stone in a genre by fans and critics. The lesson here is to take critics lightly and make up your own mind.


You made me pause Destruction for that?


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grandbazaar wrote:
With all my rambling above ^^
I forgot to mention a very important point.
Ascendancy isn't that far off from The Last Crusade apart from the vocals. They were already leading in the Metal/Thrash territory so to me it's a natural evolution it has nothing to do with going with what is popular It's all about what they like as individuals.

rambling over

Musically, Trivium has always played a traditional metal/thrash hybrid. Even on the debut.


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grandbazaar wrote:
I don't see why people go hating on Trivium. first, apart from the not so good screaming vocals there's not much to hate. Yes, Ascendancy had metalcorish elements, but it wasn't all that. It had also Metal, and Death metal elements. From memory it had way more solos than breakdowns throughout the album. People keep complaining saying they suck because they're Metalcore... thats just bullshit. They just want to hear what they want to hear and that's the metalcore side, because their not looking for a reason to like it but to hate it..
Hating metalcore is a fade and a stupid one at that. If the Music is good it's good no matter the genre why limit yourselves ? You're aloud to dislike Trivium but to say their shit because they're metalcore just goes to show the you don't think for yourselves and follow trends. Listen to As I lay Dying's "Sound of Truth" : http://youtube.com/watch?v=mOoTibcd__g
and tell me it ain't good music, yeah the band is labeled metalcore but I simply don't care.


Critics sometimes have the worst opinions. Take for example Wezeer's Pinkerton album released in 1996. That album was great and still is but had the worst reviews ever. Rolling stone even awarded it the worst album of the year WTF !? 12 years later it's talked and regarded as one of the great records of the 90's and is viewed a stepping stone in a genre by fans and critics. The lesson here is to take critics lightly and make up your own mind.


You made me pause Destruction for that?


Maybe not your cup of tea, but that lead guitar work is just too good and addictive.


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Afro Lint wrote:
grandbazaar wrote:
With all my rambling above ^^
I forgot to mention a very important point.
Ascendancy isn't that far off from The Last Crusade apart from the vocals. They were already leading in the Metal/Thrash territory so to me it's a natural evolution it has nothing to do with going with what is popular It's all about what they like as individuals.

rambling over

Musically, Trivium has always played a traditional metal/thrash hybrid. Even on the debut.


Exactly my thoughts, put in simpler words :D


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grandbazaar wrote:
Afro Lint wrote:
grandbazaar wrote:
With all my rambling above ^^
I forgot to mention a very important point.
Ascendancy isn't that far off from The Last Crusade apart from the vocals. They were already leading in the Metal/Thrash territory so to me it's a natural evolution it has nothing to do with going with what is popular It's all about what they like as individuals.

rambling over

Musically, Trivium has always played a traditional metal/thrash hybrid. Even on the debut.

Exactly my thoughts, put in simpler words :D

I've always said this. Heafy just screamed like he was in a metalcore band, so they become metalcore. If he sang in a death metal style they'd have been labeled death metal.

Sadly his screaming voice sucks. Maybe as he matures and his voice deepens it'll get better, but on those first two it was pretty annoying.


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grandbazaar wrote:
Listen to As I lay Dying's "Sound of Truth" : http://youtube.com/watch?v=mOoTibcd__g
and tell me it ain't good music, yeah the band is labeled metalcore but I simply don't care.


Listened to that. Guitar work is really cool, very power-metallish. Vocals kinda ruin it for me, though...


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grandbazaar wrote:
Listen to As I lay Dying's "Sound of Truth" : http://youtube.com/watch?v=mOoTibcd__g
and tell me it ain't good music, yeah the band is labeled metalcore but I simply don't care.


Listened to that. Guitar work is really cool, very power-metallish. Vocals kinda ruin it for me, though...


That and the fact that I found it rather boring. I'll admit that the guitar work was good, but yes they are not my cup of tea. I don't even drink tea.


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DevotedWalnut wrote:
heatseeker wrote:
grandbazaar wrote:
Listen to As I lay Dying's "Sound of Truth" : http://youtube.com/watch?v=mOoTibcd__g
and tell me it ain't good music, yeah the band is labeled metalcore but I simply don't care.


Listened to that. Guitar work is really cool, very power-metallish. Vocals kinda ruin it for me, though...


That and the fact that I found it rather boring. I'll admit that the guitar work was good, but yes they are not my cup of tea. I don't even drink tea.


Not your cup of tit, then?


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NEW YORK --The Black Crowes are lashing out at Maxim magazine for reviewing the band's new album - apparently without actually hearing it first.

The review, published in Maxim's March issue, gives the Crowes' "Warpaint" a rating of two-and-a-half stars out of five.

"The writer - who has not heard the album since advance CDs were not made available - wrote what appears to be a disparaging assessment anyway, citing, 'it hasn't left Chris Robinson and the gang much room for growth,'" said a statement on the band's official Web site.

The band's manager, Pete Angelus, said the magazine explained that its review was an "educated guess."

"It speaks directly to the lack of the publication's credibility," Angelus said in a statement. "In my opinion, it's a disgrace to the arts, journalism, critics, the publication itself and the public. What's next - Maxim's concert reviews of shows they never attended, book reviews of books never read and film reviews of films never seen?"

A representative for the magazine would not confirm or deny to The Associated Press whether the writer actually listened to the album. Instead, Maxim released this statement in response: "Maxim will continue to provide our readers with information that is important to them, whether it is about fashion, lifestyle, technology, music, movies and more."

"Warpaint," the band's first album in seven years, is set for release March 4. The blues-rock group, fronted by Chris Robinson, has released only one song from the disc, "Goodbye Daughters of the Revolution."

The band's hits include "Hard to Handle" and "She Talks to Angels."

Which one of you wrote that review? :lol:


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NEW YORK --The Black Crowes are lashing out at Maxim magazine for reviewing the band's new album - apparently without actually hearing it first.

The review, published in Maxim's March issue, gives the Crowes' "Warpaint" a rating of two-and-a-half stars out of five.

"The writer - who has not heard the album since advance CDs were not made available - wrote what appears to be a disparaging assessment anyway, citing, 'it hasn't left Chris Robinson and the gang much room for growth,'" said a statement on the band's official Web site.

The band's manager, Pete Angelus, said the magazine explained that its review was an "educated guess."

"It speaks directly to the lack of the publication's credibility," Angelus said in a statement. "In my opinion, it's a disgrace to the arts, journalism, critics, the publication itself and the public. What's next - Maxim's concert reviews of shows they never attended, book reviews of books never read and film reviews of films never seen?"

A representative for the magazine would not confirm or deny to The Associated Press whether the writer actually listened to the album. Instead, Maxim released this statement in response: "Maxim will continue to provide our readers with information that is important to them, whether it is about fashion, lifestyle, technology, music, movies and more."

"Warpaint," the band's first album in seven years, is set for release March 4. The blues-rock group, fronted by Chris Robinson, has released only one song from the disc, "Goodbye Daughters of the Revolution."

The band's hits include "Hard to Handle" and "She Talks to Angels."

Which one of you wrote that review? :lol:
:lol: That's horrible.


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Thats not really surprising. I believe reviews in magazines like that have alot less to do with the album itself than they should. The only thing that surprises me is that they fucked up that bad and got caught.


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I know that Pete Hammond didn't write the review, because he would have loved it. Along with everything else he's ever come into contact with in his life.


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Trivium get slagged more often than Generic Metalcore Band #5JX729A because they get more attention from having signed to a larger label than most of those other bands.

They sure don't suck as awfully as bands like As Cities Burn.

But as far as metalcore goes, I just stick to Unearth's second and third albums, and Lamb of God. More would be redundant.


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People read Maxim for the music reviews? Really?


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