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 Post subject: Anyone Heard Sebastian Bach's New Solo Album
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:52 pm 
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Heard some sound clips on Amazon and it sounds pretty amazing along the lines of SR's Slave To The Grind and Subhuman Race pretty hard and heavy going to get this one.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:09 am 
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Great album. Some clowns are saying it's better than Slave To The Grind, which is idiotic. It is better than Subhuman Race, but that's not very hard since the only really good song on that one is "Into Another."

Anyway, Angel Down is great. I sort of really dislike the title track. It's got a boring riff, Bach is screaming his head off, and there's this ridiculous breakdown where the bass it all gurgly and stuff. Not a good song, if you ask me. Other than that, the only other song I don't really care for is "Stuck Inside." It's just got a weak hook. The rest of the album is killer, though. Metal Mike also brought over a Painmuseum song, "American Metalhead," and it shows that Bach could really front a real metal band.

Bach's voice is still amazing, too. And not that Axl Rose was ever amazing, but he's nothing compared to Bach now. Definitely worth buying, though.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:55 pm 
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I am listening to it now. I would reccomend it to Skid Row fans but not people that normally listen to better music (I love Skid Row by the way)

It it no way stands up to acts like Symphony X or even mullmuzzler for that matter.

Reccomended only for the naive.

I see axel rose is singing some of these songs, which is unnecessary, but smart because it will sell more records that way.

A great effort with great results, but please, don't take the bait unless you have to hear sebastian sing (which he is great)

stick to music that is simply much better than this.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:40 pm 
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Adveser wrote:
It it no way stands up to acts like Symphony X or even mullmuzzler for that matter.


Why on earth would you compare the album to Symphony X?


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VinnieVincentInvaded wrote:
Adveser wrote:
It it no way stands up to acts like Symphony X or even mullmuzzler for that matter.


Why on earth would you compare the album to Symphony X?


x2 Bach doesn't market himself as progressive metal or symphonic power metal this is straight up old school metal folks this stuff is 100% better then the crap that's in mainstream music these days.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:19 pm 
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Adveser wrote:
I am listening to it now. I would reccomend it to Skid Row fans but not people that normally listen to better music (I love Skid Row by the way)

It it no way stands up to acts like Symphony X or even mullmuzzler for that matter.

Reccomended only for the naive.

I see axel rose is singing some of these songs, which is unnecessary, but smart because it will sell more records that way.

A great effort with great results, but please, don't take the bait unless you have to hear sebastian sing (which he is great)

stick to music that is simply much better than this.

Wow! This entire post is a lesson in idiocy. Are you kidding?

You recommend this to Skid Row fans, but not people that listen to "better music". Oddly enough, you're a Skid Row fan. It also doesn't stand up to Symphony X and Mullmuzzler. Nor apples and oranges, I assume. It's recommended for the naive. Again, oddly enough, that's apparently you, too. But hey, it's a great effort with great results, and Sebastian is great on this CD, so only buy it if you want to hear him sing. Because great efforts and great results only apply to great vocals. Otherwise, don't be naive, stick to music that is much better than this!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:25 am 
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Essential that is what I am saying. Although I love skid row, this album is about 15 years too late. If you are listening to a higher class of bands than skid row, avoid it, if not, go for it.

Why am I an idiot for having an opinion? I think it is just not worth your time if your aware that there's better music out there than this. Skid row's last good album, maybe thier only good album came out in 1991, its 16 years later, a lot of great music has come out that has made any attempt to revive and of thier careers at this stage a waste of time.

apples and oranges? so i have to listen to music on a curve? what's that all about? the songs are not as strong as most of the stuff I like, including skid row. the songs are limp as far as I'm concerned. It's like the 10th yngwie album in a row of sub-standard stuff we've all heard before. some people like that mentality of stagnentation, so they will enjoy this.

I got into skid row because around 1998 I knew almost nothing about music other than KIss was the greatest and they opened for them, so I bought the 40 seasons album and eventualy, due to limited amounts of cd's at the time, played it until I grew to love the songs, eventually I got all the albums. At this stage I can't say the new sebastian bach album is worth my money, or my time for that matter.

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Adveser wrote:
Essential that is what I am saying. Although I love skid row, this album is about 15 years too late. If you are listening to a higher class of bands than skid row, avoid it, if not, go for it.

Why am I an idiot for having an opinion? I think it is just not worth your time if your aware that there's better music out there than this. Skid row's last good album, maybe thier only good album came out in 1991, its 16 years later, a lot of great music has come out that has made any attempt to revive and of thier careers at this stage a waste of time.

apples and oranges? so i have to listen to music on a curve? what's that all about? the songs are not as strong as most of the stuff I like, including skid row. the songs are limp as far as I'm concerned. It's like the 10th yngwie album in a row of sub-standard stuff we've all heard before. some people like that mentality of stagnentation, so they will enjoy this.

I got into skid row because around 1998 I knew almost nothing about music other than KIss was the greatest and they opened for them, so I bought the 40 seasons album and eventualy, due to limited amounts of cd's at the time, played it until I grew to love the songs, eventually I got all the albums. At this stage I can't say the new sebastian bach album is worth my money, or my time for that matter.


Are you really that deaf tone dude give me a break I listen to bands like Symphony X,Kamelot,etc and I enjoy this style of album why because I'm an old school metalhead myself in fact you'll be surprised how many metalheads are old schoolers these days even those who are new school would still enjoy this album because it's metal like Skid Row was metal back then.Metal is metal whether it be prog,power or old school doesn't matter it's still METAL.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:30 am 
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Can't we disagree? I probably wouldn't listen to skid row if i discovered them today, a lot of people feel that way about most of the music they "used" to listen to. This album just is not good enough to warrant repeated listens in the grand scheme of things.

I am a fan of the classics and can listen to old stuff that i've never heard before, like accept, and enjoy it thoroughly. If this album would have come out 15 years ago I might have a diffeent opinion, but now, all I can think about is "baz is trying to revive his career by coattailing off of his past again" Not that it sounds like skid row that much, but it like he's pandering to fans of skid row with this album and it just doesn't do it for me. It comes across like some contrived velvet revolver kind of thing.

another thing is baz doesn'tlisten to this kind of music, he listens to old judas priest, rush and kiss, so trying to come out with some pathetic attempt to make a modern heavy metal record and act ike this is what skid row would sound like if he were in the band is dishonest and im not buying it.

that's all beside the point. the melodies are non existant, the riffs are generic and boring and baz sounds like he's trying too hard. axl rose should have stayed home.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:54 am 
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Dude, you can dislike or like whatever you want, but you're not making sense. In one breath you're saying you like it, and then in the next you talk shit about it. Your opinions are bi-polar on viagra.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about; that's why you can't form a coherent thought about this album, Skid Row, or the current state of music.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:13 am 
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Dude, you can dislike or like whatever you want, but you're not making sense. In one breath you're saying you like it, and then in the next you talk shit about it. Your opinions are bi-polar on viagra.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about; that's why you can't form a coherent thought about this album, Skid Row, or the current state of music.


Remember it's the same guy who compared Blue Cheer and Van Halen ! :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:09 pm 
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Yeah, that's because in 1985 they did sound like Van Halen. I've heard the album "The Beast Is Back" myself, I bet you can't say the same thing.

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Afro Lint wrote:
Dude, you can dislike or like whatever you want, but you're not making sense. In one breath you're saying you like it, and then in the next you talk shit about it. Your opinions are bi-polar on viagra.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about; that's why you can't form a coherent thought about this album, Skid Row, or the current state of music.


It couldn't be any simpler:

1. I like skid row because when I listened to them originally I was naive about music.

2. This album is mediocre by my current standards

3. This album is great by my old standards, which is probably closer to what mainstream music suggests is good music.

that's the super simple explanation, try to understand it.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:08 pm 
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Yeah, that's because in 1985 they did sound like Van Halen. I've heard the album "The Beast Is Back" myself, I bet you can't say the same thing.


As it happens, I have and all I could hear was a classic hard rock à la Vincebus Eruptum with an 80's sound. If that's what you call sounding like Van Halen I suggest you to quit trying to listen to metal and make a judgment out of it as you don't seem to know what you're talking about... :P


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yeah, okay. maybe the vox don't sound like van halen, but the guitar sure as hell does. All my proficient guitar player friend tell me its very similar, so I don't know, maybe you're just a hell of a lot smarter and more informed that all of us.

It sounds nothing like old blue cheer, other than the covers (which don't even sound much like the originals)

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:17 pm 
The compositions are similar to old Blue Cheer... Same basic hard rock with simple yet efficient riffing. As for the lead guitars, I see what you mean but they're still a zillion time less skilled than Eddie's... Other than that, two other things are severely lacking to back up your comparison : Van Halen's sense of fun (which gain them the label "big rock") and their natural groove. That hardly makes Beast is Back a clone to anything VH's ever done. End of discussion, class dismissed ! :wink:


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Stefan wrote:
Afro Lint wrote:
Dude, you can dislike or like whatever you want, but you're not making sense. In one breath you're saying you like it, and then in the next you talk shit about it. Your opinions are bi-polar on viagra.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about; that's why you can't form a coherent thought about this album, Skid Row, or the current state of music.

Remember it's the same guy who compared Blue Cheer and Van Halen ! :wink:

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So, uh, better than the new Skid Row then? :wink:


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Stefan wrote:
The compositions are similar to old Blue Cheer... Same basic hard rock with simple yet efficient riffing. As for the lead guitars, I see what you mean but they're still a zillion time less skilled than Eddie's... Other than that, two other things are severely lacking to back up your comparison : Van Halen's sense of fun (which gain them the label "big rock") and their natural groove. That hardly makes Beast is Back a clone to anything VH's ever done. End of discussion, class dismissed ! :wink:


Lighten up man. It's all good. No one said clone. Reminisent. I hardly need any education on music. I listen to the most diverse selection of music you can imagine. Whether it be Peter Cetera, Mushroomhead, Dope, Edguy, Big Country (not country, GUP era Rush, more like), Rush, Dream Theater, Human League, Depeche Mode, you name it, as long as it isn't country music or fucking hip-hop and its got strong song writing, I'll like it. This has gotten rather ridiculous on my end for a few posts, so I'll apologize and leave it at that. We all have differences of opinion, that doesn't mean someone's views are invalidated for the rest of time because of one arguably bad comparision and a mixed opinion of an album, does it?

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