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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:22 pm 
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I started a list of the songs I enjoy. But I realized half way through that there's only one song I don't really like, and it's Ride the sky.

So I actually enjoy this album. :)


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 Post subject: AWESOME!!!
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This is definately 100/100 and way better than even those two metal opera albums! Sure it is not pure metal, but it's fantastic rock music. I did not really like Lost in Space to begin with since i expected some more powermetalish, but after listening to this album as a rock album I saw it with completely different eyes! This is frigging awsome!

The story ain't over bashes the shit out of every bombastic Meat Loaf rocker and actually reminds a lot of his single "Did I say that" that was released a few years ago. In my defense on the other hand has a bit of a mixed 70s Queen and X-Japan feeling into it, but I like it is way better than any ballad ever written by x-japan. Another Angel Down and Promised Land are typical powermetal tracks with he distinction that these two tracks are both within the top10 best powermetal songs ever released. Lay all your love on me is a fantastic cover of an Abba song and even outclassing the great cover Helloween did on Metal Jukebox. Ride the Sky and Dancing with tears in my eyes are the two songs I like the least, but an album considering of songs with only songs at this class would score about 90 for me!

I listened through this album at least 5 times today and I am still amazed with how great these songs are! I can't wait for the new album and I have no less expectation than it to be the best hardrock album ever released!


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Ride the Sky is a Lucifer's Friend cover and actually its a kick ass song, and although Eric Singer is no John Lawton, its a really interesting cover.


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Mintrude wrote:
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I have tons of friends. :mad:

Yeah, he does!

...The lice in his fro...

I thought they were maggots...

Anyway, nice to hear I'm beign listened to... :rolleyes:

Hey, I said it before, I'm not here to fight with people. People online are always going to think I'm an asshole. I'm used to it at this point. Haha.

And by the way, that's lint, folks. Lint!


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Afro Lint wrote:
Mintrude wrote:
TheOctavarius wrote:
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I have tons of friends. :mad:

Yeah, he does!

...The lice in his fro...

I thought they were maggots...

Anyway, nice to hear I'm beign listened to... :rolleyes:

Hey, I said it before, I'm not here to fight with people. People online are always going to think I'm an asshole. I'm used to it at this point. Haha.

And by the way, that's lint, folks. Lint!


I'll admit it's not just you. I just hoped you'd be the bigger man and drop it.


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Why the fuck do you need four covers on there if you had "so much great material" to begin with, Tobi?

Me smells the NB cash-milking cow in its terrible mooing action.


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Why the fuck do you need four covers on there if you had "so much great material" to begin with, Tobi?

Me smells the NB cash-milking cow in its terrible mooing action.


It would have made much more financial sense to put these two EPs together and release another full lenght album and it would sure have been a killer album. There are only TWO covers (Abba and Ultravox) and I like them both.


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Why the fuck do you need four covers on there if you had "so much great material" to begin with, Tobi?

Me smells the NB cash-milking cow in its terrible mooing action.

How could any fan even complain about this? Who cares if it were all covers? This is fucking BONUS shit! I wish more bands did this. Fans are such whiners these days. This is was downloading has done. Everyone feels entitled to everything now. It's ridiculous.


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I'll admit it's not just you. I just hoped you'd be the bigger man and drop it.

I only replied like two times. That's pretty good for me. Come on, admit it! :lol:


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It would have made much more financial sense to put these two EPs together and release another full lenght album and it would sure have been a killer album. There are only TWO covers (Abba and Ultravox) and I like them both.


No. Ride the Sky was originally by Lucifer's Friend and In My Defence is a Queen song.

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How could any fan even complain about this? Who cares if it were all covers? This is fucking BONUS shit! I wish more bands did this. Fans are such whiners these days. This is was downloading has done. Everyone feels entitled to everything now. It's ridiculous.


It's just so contradictory the way you state, as an artist, that you have so much good shit that you have to make not one, but two extra releases, and then it turns out most of them are covers. Tobi can do whatever he like, and I'm always going to respect him for what he's done for the metal scene, but I just wished he wouldn't go so far along with Nuclear Blast's marketing scams.

By the way, I don't feel entitled to shit, more than my opinion.


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Mindtraveller wrote:
Afro Lint wrote:
How could any fan even complain about this? Who cares if it were all covers? This is fucking BONUS shit! I wish more bands did this. Fans are such whiners these days. This is was downloading has done. Everyone feels entitled to everything now. It's ridiculous.

It's just so contradictory the way you state, as an artist, that you have so much good shit that you have to make not one, but two extra releases, and then it turns out most of them are covers. Tobi can do whatever he like, and I'm always going to respect him for what he's done for the metal scene, but I just wished he wouldn't go so far along with Nuclear Blast's marketing scams.

By the way, I don't feel entitled to shit, more than my opinion.

Since when does a cover song not fall under "so much good shit"? I find it hard to follow the logic here. You've got four covers and six exlcusive tracks. That's ten fucking songs that won't be on Scarecrow! And you call it a marketing scam? Goddamn. That is the most ridiculous shit I've heard. It's just a joke when so-called fans complain about things that they should be completely grateful for.


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Afro Lint wrote:
Mintrude wrote:
I'll admit it's not just you. I just hoped you'd be the bigger man and drop it.

I only replied like two times. That's pretty good for me. Come on, admit it! :lol:


That is good for you. It could have easily run 8+ pages. Have a cookie.


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Afro Lint wrote:
Mindtraveller wrote:
Afro Lint wrote:
How could any fan even complain about this? Who cares if it were all covers? This is fucking BONUS shit! I wish more bands did this. Fans are such whiners these days. This is was downloading has done. Everyone feels entitled to everything now. It's ridiculous.

It's just so contradictory the way you state, as an artist, that you have so much good shit that you have to make not one, but two extra releases, and then it turns out most of them are covers. Tobi can do whatever he like, and I'm always going to respect him for what he's done for the metal scene, but I just wished he wouldn't go so far along with Nuclear Blast's marketing scams.

By the way, I don't feel entitled to shit, more than my opinion.

Since when does a cover song not fall under "so much good shit"? I find it hard to follow the logic here. You've got four covers and six exlcusive tracks. That's ten fucking songs that won't be on Scarecrow! And you call it a marketing scam? Goddamn. That is the most ridiculous shit I've heard. It's just a joke when so-called fans complain about things that they should be completely grateful for.


I don't know what kinda shit you smoke, but let's get this straigt:

The two EP:s put together contain eleven tracks. Four of those are covers, so that leaves seven to go. Two of the songs are Lost In Space, so now we're down to five. Return to Avantasia is a 47 seconds long "interlude", with the melody being almost exactly the same as the intro to Avantasia, part 1. Not exactly a "song". Four more to go. Another Angel Down is going to be on Scarecrow, so that leaves us three,

The Story Ain't Over
Promised Land
Scary Eyes


spread over three EP:s. Now we can debate forever what consitutes originality or exclusivity, but I choose to think that when an artist releases something under a name that has garnered this much attention - albeit Tobi himself has admitted that these releases appearing under the Avantasia name naturally is going to get them to sell more - you tend to raise people's expectations quite a bit.

For me, when it comes to musicians on this level, I'm not interested in hearing covers. Anyone can do covers. A high school band having jammed togeter for a month can do decent covers. Ok if there were maybe one or two of them on a full-length album, but not four on two EP:s. That's just my opinion, and I'm going to stick to it.

Other than that, the only decent ABBA cover by a metal band I've heard is The Winner Takes It All by At Vance.


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Ladies, ladies. Let's forget about this and make some hot and heavy lovin'.


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The cover songs are still going to be exclusive to these EPs, so I can't find a reason to complain. Even if every extra track was a cover, I don't see any point in complaining. I didn't realize any of those songs besides "Lost In Space" would be on Scarecrow, so you got me there, but that still doesn't change what I've said. The piano version of "Lost In Space" is also an exclusive song. Plus there's other material such as videos included.

I stand by my opinion that fans these days feel entitled to way too much, and that is because everything and anything is just a click away. People simply don't appreciate the things they're given like they once did. The fact that someone can sit here and called these EPs a scam is absolutely baffling, and it lends far more truth to my opinion.

You're free to disagree, of course, but it won't change what I think.


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The cover songs are still going to be exclusive to these EPs, so I can't find a reason to complain. Even if every extra track was a cover, I don't see any point in complaining. I didn't realize any of those songs besides "Lost In Space" would be on Scarecrow, so you got me there, but that still doesn't change what I've said. The piano version of "Lost In Space" is also an exclusive song. Plus there's other material such as videos included.

I stand by my opinion that fans these days feel entitled to way too much, and that is because everything and anything is just a click away. People simply don't appreciate the things they're given like they once did. The fact that someone can sit here and called these EPs a scam is absolutely baffling, and it lends far more truth to my opinion.

You're free to disagree, of course, but it won't change what I think.


I'm not calling the EP:s themselves a scam, just the way NB promotes them. But I'll just wait for the full-length.


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Afro Lint wrote:
The cover songs are still going to be exclusive to these EPs, so I can't find a reason to complain. Even if every extra track was a cover, I don't see any point in complaining. I didn't realize any of those songs besides "Lost In Space" would be on Scarecrow, so you got me there, but that still doesn't change what I've said. The piano version of "Lost In Space" is also an exclusive song. Plus there's other material such as videos included.

I stand by my opinion that fans these days feel entitled to way too much, and that is because everything and anything is just a click away. People simply don't appreciate the things they're given like they once did. The fact that someone can sit here and called these EPs a scam is absolutely baffling, and it lends far more truth to my opinion.

You're free to disagree, of course, but it won't change what I think.


I can agree - people will download 'exclusive' tracks and then complain, but part of the fun is the packaging. Anyways, aren't EPs supposed to be full of stuff that only die-hard fans will love? I'd imagine most people seeing the NB adverts will think, 'hmm, I'll wait for the album'. Only the kvltest will rush out and buy it right away, and they're less likely to be disappointed...


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The cover songs are still going to be exclusive to these EPs, so I can't find a reason to complain. Even if every extra track was a cover, I don't see any point in complaining. I didn't realize any of those songs besides "Lost In Space" would be on Scarecrow, so you got me there, but that still doesn't change what I've said. The piano version of "Lost In Space" is also an exclusive song. Plus there's other material such as videos included.

I stand by my opinion that fans these days feel entitled to way too much, and that is because everything and anything is just a click away. People simply don't appreciate the things they're given like they once did. The fact that someone can sit here and called these EPs a scam is absolutely baffling, and it lends far more truth to my opinion.

You're free to disagree, of course, but it won't change what I think.


I can agree - people will download 'exclusive' tracks and then complain, but part of the fun is the packaging. Anyways, aren't EPs supposed to be full of stuff that only die-hard fans will love? I'd imagine most people seeing the NB adverts will think, 'hmm, I'll wait for the album'. Only the kvltest will rush out and buy it right away, and they're less likely to be disappointed...


Actually EPs are supposed to be a small preview of the full lenght, and usually they include just one new track with different variations of it, it was Tobias idea to include as many bonus material for the ep to be worth the purchase, so in reallity the ep would only consist of Lost In Space, everything else is bonus, despite the quallity of the bonus material its just what it is: "bonus".


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Kinda dark.


Ia this a prog release on InsideOut? :blink: Pretty cool looking, though.

Releasing 2 EPs instead of another full length is a big cash-grabby, but hey, it's Toby, what do you expect? I've got the two of them on order from play.com now anyway.

Tht title track is dreadful, but the samples of a couple of other songs inspired me to give him the benefit of the doubt and buy the fucking things.


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Wow! i checked this out mostly because of Jorn. Very good contribution on a good album/EP


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