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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:16 pm 
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We has been attacked! We're all Scottish now, etc.


This has actually brought home the fact that terrorism in fact can take place outside London. Cardiff, where I live, has absolutley crap security, so it would be ridiculous easy to take out abouit 200 people. Knowing my luck, some terrorists are reading this page :unsure: .


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Haven't the Kurds been collectively shat upon for the past however many years by both Turkey and Iraq? Not that they're right to use violence, but, like, they have a point.


No, they haven't. I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Saddam gassed them but over here they're half the government so you can bet your ass they aren't shat upon.

Have the muslims been shat upon by the west? Is that why they're doing it? If so then they must have a point in running a flaming car into a building.


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Haven't the Kurds been collectively shat upon for the past however many years by both Turkey and Iraq? Not that they're right to use violence, but, like, they have a point.


No, they haven't. I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Saddam gassed them but over here they're half the government so you can bet your ass they aren't shat upon.

Have the muslims been shat upon by the west? Is that why they're doing it? If so then they must have a point in running a flaming car into a building.


Well, forgive me for bringing it up, but judging from the Armenians your lot hasn't that good a record.

And of course they haven't got that much of a point even so, and I suppose there's a difference when the best a bunch of prats can do is with a car and can of petrol, but I can't see the justification in invading somewhere to take out terrorists, as Rio said, fighting the wind. Good luck, but don't be surprised if they slip by.


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Nobody owns anywhere and everyone has the right to live as they want but seriously would you be ok with it if say, all the Muslims in America gathered in a certain part of the land, claimed independence and called it, Free Islamic-Arabic state, and started murdering civilians as if it was a way of getting what's supposed to be their right? And the other ethnicities, groups followed this path? Let's give every single ethnicity in the world their own countries. If the Kurds have the right, why not the Hispanics in America, Turks in Germany...

Separating the world with a ruler in your hand and a gun in the other isn't really the answer to freedom, in my opinion.



I don't know much about Turkish government and this may be an idealistic view of Democracy, but if a region has a majority that wants to break away it should be allowed. Wouldn't a beter comparison be if it were something like a native tribe that wanted to create their own state since there is ancestory and such.
I have always viewed the American civil war with a bit of confusion as to why it was necessary to go to war to keep the south part of the States, which is the closest thing in our history to what making a "kurdistan" would be like.
I would consider it messed up if it happened here, and violence of course for such a purpose is as foolish(as it is in most instances, except as defense) as trying to defeat terrorism (I don't mean in the instance you were taling about, I mean as a whole) with violence.

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Separating the world with a ruler in your hand and a gun in the other isn't really the answer to freedom, in my opinion.


That's exactly true, I agree. BUT, the reason Kurdistan isn't a country already is because of this approach. Kurdistan is an area consisting of many people of a common culture and ethnicity, and therefore is the kind of area you would expect to have evolved naturally into a Kurdish state over time.

Unfortunately, this natural process was rudely interrupted and distorted in the Middle East by the empire building of various people- British, Ottomans, French etc (and you could argue America in recent decades). Iraq was created exaclty as you describe. Imperial powers just divided it between them to negotiate resource supplies, with little regard for the autonomous cultures and tribes that were living there already. Look at Iraq today- it isn't a country that sprung up out of a feeling of common nationhood- it is a bunch of different groups that were told by foreigners that they were now part of the same country.

The implications of the way the borders in the Middle East were designed is still being felt today, not least because the Kurds found themselves suddenly deprived of any aspirations to statehood, and ended up being held pretty brutally in place by the only person that could keep the arbitrarily designed state of Iraq in one piece, ie Saddam. Now he's gone, it's no surprise they want to become autonomous. It's only the fact that other people have been designing the Middle East's borders for it that have prevented them from doing so already.


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Kathaarian wrote:
Nobody owns anywhere and everyone has the right to live as they want but seriously would you be ok with it if say, all the Muslims in America gathered in a certain part of the land, claimed independence and called it, Free Islamic-Arabic state, and started murdering civilians as if it was a way of getting what's supposed to be their right? And the other ethnicities, groups followed this path? Let's give every single ethnicity in the world their own countries. If the Kurds have the right, why not the Hispanics in America, Turks in Germany...

Separating the world with a ruler in your hand and a gun in the other isn't really the answer to freedom, in my opinion.



I don't know much about Turkish government and this may be an idealistic view of Democracy, but if a region has a majority that wants to break away it should be allowed. Wouldn't a beter comparison be if it were something like a native tribe that wanted to create their own state since there is ancestory and such.
I have always viewed the American civil war with a bit of confusion as to why it was necessary to go to war to keep the south part of the States, which is the closest thing in our history to what making a "kurdistan" would be like.
I would consider it messed up if it happened here, and violence of course for such a purpose is as foolish(as it is in most instances, except as defense) as trying to defeat terrorism (I don't mean in the instance you were taling about, I mean as a whole) with violence.

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It'll be interesting to see in a few years time if the Mexicans in the southern US end up doing something like that, reclaiming land lost by re-colonization.


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Kuruus wrote:
unknownkadath666 wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Nobody owns anywhere and everyone has the right to live as they want but seriously would you be ok with it if say, all the Muslims in America gathered in a certain part of the land, claimed independence and called it, Free Islamic-Arabic state, and started murdering civilians as if it was a way of getting what's supposed to be their right? And the other ethnicities, groups followed this path? Let's give every single ethnicity in the world their own countries. If the Kurds have the right, why not the Hispanics in America, Turks in Germany...

Separating the world with a ruler in your hand and a gun in the other isn't really the answer to freedom, in my opinion.



I don't know much about Turkish government and this may be an idealistic view of Democracy, but if a region has a majority that wants to break away it should be allowed. Wouldn't a beter comparison be if it were something like a native tribe that wanted to create their own state since there is ancestory and such.
I have always viewed the American civil war with a bit of confusion as to why it was necessary to go to war to keep the south part of the States, which is the closest thing in our history to what making a "kurdistan" would be like.
I would consider it messed up if it happened here, and violence of course for such a purpose is as foolish(as it is in most instances, except as defense) as trying to defeat terrorism (I don't mean in the instance you were taling about, I mean as a whole) with violence.

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It'll be interesting to see in a few years time if the Mexicans in the southern US end up doing something like that, reclaiming land lost by re-colonization.


That would be fucked up. but it would be ok by me.


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If the Welsh try it, we will fuck them up. :wink:


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If the Welsh try it, we will fuck them up.


With the momentum Plaid Cymru (cunts) are getting here it could well happen.


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I'd rather have them funnel their hatred against mosques, as they have a place neither in the history, nor the landscape, nor the political climate of western europe. Anti-Christian sentiments are a bit outdated in that country since the Enlightenment and the revolution of 1798 in particular, and nowadays there's another aggressive religion pervading our lands.

Just two cents from a patriottic historian with field experience.


Churches are soft touches though aren't they? Burn down a mosque, and you're going to cause a fucking shitstorm, burn down a church, and a few priests are going to whine a little.


Burning a mosque would be suicide, cos then you'll have three quarter of Islamic nations coming after your ass. And we all are aware that the militant Muslims are EVERYWHERE....be it England, America and even France. Burning a mosque will only infuriate them even further....and the consequences could be severe. They are after all, experts in slaughtering the innocent. Like Mintrude mentioned, burning a church would not cause much fracas, maybe a few Christian groups on strike, at most.

So I vote church burning over mosques.

On another note, I feel embarassed as black metal fan, when all these things happen. Yeah, yeah, fuck christ, hail satan!! A big bag of crap! I thought black metal was about history as well. Aren't they aware of the historical values of those churches? It's heritage. I officially conclude that Black Metal is the dumbest and lamest sub-genre of metal, right after porno-grind.

Now, it's time to listen to some Emperor. :D


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I'd rather have them funnel their hatred against mosques, as they have a place neither in the history, nor the landscape, nor the political climate of western europe. Anti-Christian sentiments are a bit outdated in that country since the Enlightenment and the revolution of 1798 in particular, and nowadays there's another aggressive religion pervading our lands.

Just two cents from a patriottic historian with field experience.


Churches are soft touches though aren't they? Burn down a mosque, and you're going to cause a fucking shitstorm, burn down a church, and a few priests are going to whine a little.


Burning a mosque would be suicide, cos then you'll have three quarter of Islamic nations coming after your ass. And we all are aware that the militant Muslims are EVERYWHERE....be it England, America and even France. Burning a mosque will only infuriate them even further....and the consequences could be severe. They are after all, experts in slaughtering the innocent. Like Mintrude mentioned, burning a church would not cause much fracas, maybe a few Christian groups on strike, at most.

So I vote church burning over mosques.

On another note, I feel embarassed as black metal fan, when all these things happen. Yeah, yeah, fuck christ, hail satan!! A big bag of crap! I thought black metal was about history as well. Aren't they aware of the historical values of those churches? It's heritage. I officially conclude that Black Metal is the dumbest and lamest sub-genre of metal, right after porno-grind.

Now, it's time to listen to some Emperor. :D


You clearly have no idea of what black metal is or what is stands for whatsoever.


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I'd rather have them funnel their hatred against mosques, as they have a place neither in the history, nor the landscape, nor the political climate of western europe. Anti-Christian sentiments are a bit outdated in that country since the Enlightenment and the revolution of 1798 in particular, and nowadays there's another aggressive religion pervading our lands.

Just two cents from a patriottic historian with field experience.


Churches are soft touches though aren't they? Burn down a mosque, and you're going to cause a fucking shitstorm, burn down a church, and a few priests are going to whine a little.


Burning a mosque would be suicide, cos then you'll have three quarter of Islamic nations coming after your ass. And we all are aware that the militant Muslims are EVERYWHERE....be it England, America and even France. Burning a mosque will only infuriate them even further....and the consequences could be severe. They are after all, experts in slaughtering the innocent. Like Mintrude mentioned, burning a church would not cause much fracas, maybe a few Christian groups on strike, at most.


Which is exactly why a mosque should be burned down for a change.


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Seperating the music from the actions of the musicians is something you should do as far as black metal church burnings go.

That being said, the reaction to black metallers burning down a Mosque would be interesting to say the least.


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That being said, the reaction to black metallers burning down a Mosque would be interesting to say the least.


If you call the arsonists country being car-bombed to fuck interesting.


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damn...just read trough the tread, and some of the posts just makes me want to fucking puke. blaming christianity because it was fronted in a wrong way 100 years ago, is just as stupid as hating germans for the WWII. let christians be christians, and satanists be satanists and mind your own buisness.


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let christians be christians, and satanists be satanists and mind your own buisness.


That's like telling cats and dogs not to fight. They are simply natural enemies.


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My cats don't fight with my dogs o.O


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My cats don't fight with my dogs o.O


Your cats are pussies.


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My cats don't fight with my dogs o.O


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There motherfuckers eat Gaul barbarians and cats as snacks. Are you sure yours are real dogs or lab created furfags?


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