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But the problem in my view isn't the Christians, but the religion, as a movement, and as an idea. An idea that has had a bad influence on the world. I mean, nazism and fascism is also an idea that we find harmful to the world, but in nazism pretty much every single nazi is also a fucktard. It's like, maybe america. America has a bad influence on the world, but that doesn't mean that every single american is a fucker, or incorporates those traits that exist in America and that make it such a piece of shit.
But even then, it's up to the individual to decide what influences he will accept and what he will not. Once you reach a certain age, your decisions, beliefs, and influences are your responsibility. Whether you think American influences are good or bad isn't really my concern, but I don't think America should be blamed if other countries are influenced by this one, whether their influences are good (like Seinfeld) or bad (like being fat). Some countries hate us (like North Korea) and choose not to be influenced by us. Like I said, what you think of America is your deal, not mine, but it's not fair to blame the country for negativley effecting the world when most of the world chooses to be affected.

I don't blame ciggarettes for killing my grandmother, I blame my grandmother for choosing to kill herself by smoking for so long.


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then Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

So the Bible doesn't advocate punishing others for having different beliefs.


You do know that Jesus' life is almost identical to those of Horus and Mithras, and that Christian myth is just a potpourri of pagan myths that have been rielaborated? Christian values and morals are not exclusively Christian, but it seems that religious intolerance and faith-based massacres are.

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RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE AND FAITH-BASED MASSACRES ARE EXLUSIVELY CHRISTIAN TRAITS?!

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RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE AND FAITH-BASED MASSACRES ARE EXLUSIVELY CHRISTIAN TRAITS?!


Wooops. Not what I meant to say.
What I meant was: While the morality taught by Christianity is something human regardless of creed or nation, the levels of violence can only be inspired by certain types of faith. If people had no more reason than the basic preserve and protect me and my family urges to kill, there would be a LOT less violence.

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then Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

So the Bible doesn't advocate punishing others for having different beliefs.


You do know that Jesus' life is almost identical to those of Horus and Mithras, and that Christian myth is just a potpourri of pagan myths that have been rielaborated? Christian values and morals are not exclusively Christian, but it seems that religious intolerance and faith-based massacres are.

I've heard that Jesus's life in the bible is really similar to other mythical heroes.


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RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE AND FAITH-BASED MASSACRES ARE EXLUSIVELY CHRISTIAN TRAITS?!


Wooops. Not what I meant to say.
What I meant was: While the morality taught by Christianity is something human regardless of creed or nation, the levels of violence can only be inspired by certain types of faith. If people had no more reason than the basic preserve and protect me and my family urges to kill, there would be a LOT less violence.
Well yeah, I agree with you there. I just don't think it's Christianity's fault. I think it's the wacky people who use it as their inspiration.


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RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE AND FAITH-BASED MASSACRES ARE EXLUSIVELY CHRISTIAN TRAITS?!


Wooops. Not what I meant to say.
What I meant was: While the morality taught by Christianity is something human regardless of creed or nation, the levels of violence can only be inspired by certain types of faith. If people had no more reason than the basic preserve and protect me and my family urges to kill, there would be a LOT less violence.
Well yeah, I agree with you there. I just don't think it's Christianity's fault. I think it's the wacky people who use it as their inspiration.


But if it's only psychos using it as inspiration to kill, then there must be way to many crazy people around, something that I don't notice. Most people around here are normal. I just think it's an incentive that can motivate too many people to commit too many atrocities.

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It is an incentive but its definitely not the only one. I think religion definitely has some negatives but as far as we know its also a result of abstract thought since all human civilizations developed some sort of religion even if they were independant from each other.


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It'd be fun to watch what happens if a mosque were to be burned down.

Tr00 Anti-Islamic Black Metal. :dio:


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It'd be fun to watch what happens if a mosque were to be burned down.

Tr00 Anti-Islamic Black Metal. :dio:

They could have a crucified Muhammad on their album cover :dio:


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noodles wrote:
Legacy Of The Night wrote:
It'd be fun to watch what happens if a mosque were to be burned down.

Tr00 Anti-Islamic Black Metal. :dio:

They could have a crucified Muhammad on their album cover :dio:
Vile has already dabbled into anti-islamic themes with "The New Age of Chaos".


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Azrael wrote:
RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE AND FAITH-BASED MASSACRES ARE EXLUSIVELY CHRISTIAN TRAITS?!


Wooops. Not what I meant to say.
What I meant was: While the morality taught by Christianity is something human regardless of creed or nation, the levels of violence can only be inspired by certain types of faith. If people had no more reason than the basic preserve and protect me and my family urges to kill, there would be a LOT less violence.


do you think its possible that the religions will commit attrocities, not because they are a faith, but because they have power? Human nature is full of terrible atrributes. There going to come out in anything that has power (gov't) , or they will spark rage in people if its somethign they care about. (football Hooligans). To say the violence is rooted in those faiths is naive. Violence is inspired by human characteristics such as coveting what some one else has or hatred of a person. Christianity actualy says not to do these things.

Im far from a fan of religion but the amount of power you give it is akin to what a hardline christian does. The problem is not faith its people.


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If I was going to form a really blasphemous BM band, I'd have Jesus sodomizing Mohammed on the cover. Pwnage! On another note, Christianity seems to attract way more crazies and any other religion. Maybe it's just because there are more Christians worldwide (even though the definition of following a religion is so loose these days). That said, ever had a Hindu come up to you and try to convert you?


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no, but there are extremist hindus (if i'm not mistaken, Gandhi was killed by one). all in all though i think it's one of the religions where extremists cause less trouble.

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Frigid, you are one confused kid.

For the record, I'm a Christian. I'm not Catholic I'm Lutheran. I don't go out and try to convert others (who are not willing to listen), and I don't stone homosexuals. I stone homos like Frigid, but not butt sex homos. It is impossible to follow the bible verse for verse, and it is ment to be that way. It is there to guide us, show how to treat others, and ways to follow Christ. I'm not going to get into to much depth otherwise. Why the fuck can't people get a long... that is all.


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They could have a crucified Muhammad on their album cover
On another note, Christianity seems to attract way more crazies and any other religion. Maybe it's just because there are more Christians worldwide (even though the definition of following a religion is so loose these days). That said, ever had a Hindu come up to you and try to convert you?
Almost 90% of all Hindus live in India, so I would be surprised to see one walking around anyway.

Radical Christians (at least in America) will burn books, call for the banning of violent video games, tell me I'm going to hell for wearing metal shirts, but they won't strap bombs to their chest and try to kill me and my family. The token radical Christian is really annoying, the token radical Muslim is fucking crazy. Notice how I said radical. My friends at work are all either Christian or Muslim (though one of them is probably atheist from the jokes we exchange :dio: ) They range from funny and cool, to annoying and lazy, to quiet and hard-working. I wouldn't call any of them crazy.


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I love people who say "Religion controls the way people think so religion should be banzord!" Hypocritical morons.

Personally as long as religious folks are like NESS and not like Jerry Falwell (slowly he rots) then I don't have a problem with them. People that burn down churches are cunts.


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Burn down mosques AND churches. I just wish these fucking morons would leave out the far right wing politics. Goddammit, morons, Mussolini and Hitler were catholics, and fascism was promoted by the Church 70 years ago. Dammit!


Hitler catholic? LMAO


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Burn down mosques AND churches. I just wish these fucking morons would leave out the far right wing politics. Goddammit, morons, Mussolini and Hitler were catholics, and fascism was promoted by the Church 70 years ago. Dammit!


Hitler catholic? LMAO


Yes he was catholic. If you even dare to say he was a pagan or an occultist i'll kick you in the balls.

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Burn down mosques AND churches. I just wish these fucking morons would leave out the far right wing politics. Goddammit, morons, Mussolini and Hitler were catholics, and fascism was promoted by the Church 70 years ago. Dammit!


Hitler catholic? LMAO


Yes he was catholic. If you even dare to say he was a pagan or an occultist i'll kick you in the balls.

He was much more of a Nationalist than a Religious leader though.


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