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 Post subject: classical violinist fails epically as a street performer
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:07 am 
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It was 7:51 a.m. on Friday, January 12, the middle of the morning rush hour. In the next 43 minutes, as the violinist performed six classical pieces, 1,097 people passed by. Almost all of them were on the way to work, which meant, for almost all of them, a government job. L'Enfant Plaza is at the nucleus of federal Washington, and these were mostly mid-level bureaucrats with those indeterminate, oddly fungible titles: policy analyst, project manager, budget officer, specialist, facilitator, consultant.

Each passerby had a quick choice to make, one familiar to commuters in any urban area where the occasional street performer is part of the cityscape: Do you stop and listen? Do you hurry past with a blend of guilt and irritation, aware of your cupidity but annoyed by the unbidden demand on your time and your wallet? Do you throw in a buck, just to be polite? Does your decision change if he's really bad? What if he's really good? Do you have time for beauty? Shouldn't you? What's the moral mathematics of the moment?

On that Friday in January, those private questions would be answered in an unusually public way. No one knew it, but the fiddler standing against a bare wall outside the Metro in an indoor arcade at the top of the escalators was one of the finest classical musicians in the world, playing some of the most elegant music ever written on one of the most valuable violins ever made. His performance was arranged by The Washington Post as an experiment in context, perception and priorities.transcend?

In the three-quarters of an hour that Joshua Bell played, seven people stopped what they were doing to hang around and take in the performance, at least for a minute. Twenty-seven gave money, most of them on the run -- for a total of $32 and change. That leaves the 1,070 people who hurried by, oblivious, many only three feet away, few even turning to look.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01721.html

thar's also a video. It's an interesting idea, but I think they should do it in a mall or just downtown, where people are just spending free time rather than going somewhere.

edit: here's the full audio if you want it
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00536.html


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:12 am 
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exactly, they can't expect commuters who have, you know, a place to be in and a time to be there, to stop and appreciate music. i'm sure he'd be much more successful in one of them big avenues or something like that.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:26 pm 
Thanks for the link, I thought it was a really interesting article and well worth the time it took to read it. I also wish they would do a similar setup in a more, "relaxed" type of environment and situation. Without a means of comparison, it's hard to really draw a lot from this. Still a fascinating idea.

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Once, when I went to an opera, there was a guy sitting next to the entrance with an accordeon, playing absolutely stunning arrangements. He had a 2 inch layer of coins in his bag, the place where you sit matters most I think...


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Once, when I went to an opera, there was a guy sitting next to the entrance with an accordeon, playing absolutely stunning arrangements. He had a 2 inch layer of coins in his bag, the place where you sit matters most I think...


... i think that it's what you play that matters at a given place the most :P ... your guy was lucky to play the right kind music at the right place. I don't think ppl are going to give nearly as much money if you play sad-oh-so-sad-funeral music near bars/cafés on a hot summers day or on the beach for that matter (unless the beach was attacked by maneatingsharkmutants), or vice versa - happy-happy-party-fiddle near a funeral, if u know what i mean.


and i'm afraid Evanescence isn't opera, Mies :)


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I saw this on the news a few days ago. I like the idea too, but like AZ said, you can't expect people to stop and be late for their jobs. They'll be losing more than just loose change if they take the time to stop and watch.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:31 pm 
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I saw this on the news a few days ago. I like the idea too, but like AZ said, you can't expect people to stop and be late for their jobs. They'll be losing more than just loose change if they take the time to stop and watch.


Yeah, but there's something really... kind of sad there too, I think. Some people just aren't really interested in music, but... there's just so much more to it than that. Do we appreciate and understand quality for what it is, or do we do so because someone else tells us or expects us too.

Seeing someone who is at the top of their field should be a very meaningful experience. Trading a couple dollars plus a half hour's wages is a bargain. Not that a person's boss is likely to understand that either though...

I just wonder what this suggests about a person's ability and desire to understand and appreciate achievments - and not necessarily just in music. Maybe we too often overlook or downplay them as everyday things (which they aren't and even if they were it shouldn't diminish anything) and merely go along with the ho hum. It's not that our own lives shouldn't be important to us, it's more a question of why they're important to us, I guess.

I really wish they'd done a more comprehensive study. :mellow:

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Seeing someone who is at the top of their field should be a very meaningful experience. Trading a couple dollars plus a half hour's wages is a bargain. Not that a person's boss is likely to understand that either though...

I'm also wondering how many people would recognize that he's at the top of his field. Like if they had to guess between a world class virtuoso, a college music student, and the lead violinist of the local symphony if they just saw heard/saw them play.. I think the results would be pretty surprising even among those with a knowledge of classical music.

Also I think most people that walked by him hardly even heard him, even those that gave him money or glanced at him, because on public transport its been proven that most people are the equivalent of zombies :P


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Some time ago, someone here had a monkey paint a whole collection of abstract art, hehe. They placed it in a famous gallery, and all selfproclaimed critics were blabbering how interesting it was, and they could tell all kinds of things on the motives and symbolism in the paintings. Luckely the real critics said something more in the trend of "what kinda crap is this?"


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Goddamn buskers. I refuse to give anyone that minutely resembles the homeless money on principle. Not that we get classically-trained violinists in the centre of Manchester.... :rolleyes:


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really? i give sometimes, but my kryptonite is "musicians". if the music is at least half-decent i cant' resist it, i get my wallet out.

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I'm also wondering how many people would recognize that he's at the top of his field. Like if they had to guess between a world class virtuoso, a college music student, and the lead violinist of the local symphony if they just saw heard/saw them play.. I think the results would be pretty surprising even among those with a knowledge of classical music.


Yeah, I doubt very many would recognize that, even if it was in a different, more relaxed setting. Although, if it was a different setting and some people did listen and a few people did recognize him, I imagine the word of mouth would start to travel amongst the people gathered.

But about that and the "zombie" thing, that's part of what I'm getting at. I think there's something disturbing about people not paying any attention at all to what is happening around them, not just here, but in general. Also, I wonder if some of those people who passed by that day would probably pay 50-100 dollars (or however much) to go see him perform in concert just because it was recommended or something to do or a status thing... Or people who would go to something like that and say how great it was, not because they really appreciated it and understood it, but because that's what they thought they were supposed to say...

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Some time ago, someone here had a monkey paint a whole collection of abstract art, hehe. They placed it in a famous gallery, and all selfproclaimed critics were blabbering how interesting it was, and they could tell all kinds of things on the motives and symbolism in the paintings. Luckely the real critics said something more in the trend of "what kinda crap is this?"


Hehe. ... That kind of reminds me of when the city here built a new zoo and had an "At the Zoo" tv show on every Saturday (or maybe it was Sunday). I remember them, on more than one occasion, talking about and showing the elephants and having the elephants paint. Of course, they sold the paintings, but at least people knew what they were getting. I'm sure you can imagine what they looked like... Don't get me wrong, it was kind of interesting, but...

As for the homeless and giving money bit that Zad hit on, I think that if I saw a person like that performing and I took notice, I'd give them some money if I had it. I wouldn't think of it as encouraging or supporting him for being homeless (which such a person may or may not be), but as giving him money that he earned for his playing and holding my attention/entertaining me. ... But yeah, it's not like you're going to see something of quality like that very often.

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I suppose it's as much basic tightfistedness as anything else.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:23 am 
Misha wrote:
Some time ago, someone here had a monkey paint a whole collection of abstract art, hehe. They placed it in a famous gallery, and all selfproclaimed critics were blabbering how interesting it was, and they could tell all kinds of things on the motives and symbolism in the paintings. Luckely the real critics said something more in the trend of "what kinda crap is this?"


you mean in the neitherlands? We had something similar here too. A small child made some "paintings" and the critics though it was "sooo good"... right untill it was revealed it was a child with no artistic sense, then they changed their mind of course.

sometimes it takes a monkey or a child to show how much bullshit there's coming out of the so-called (narcissistic) critics' mouths.


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Goddamn buskers. I refuse to give anyone that minutely resembles the homeless money on principle. Not that we get classically-trained violinists in the centre of Manchester.... :rolleyes:

I do it if I like their music, and theres this guy who draws really impressive stuff on the sidewalk with chalk that I give money to whenever I see him.


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the guy that draws these FUCKING AWESOME 3d images on sidewalks? i saw a video once. i'd pay him too, he was amazing!

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the guy that draws these FUCKING AWESOME 3d images on sidewalks? i saw a video once. i'd pay him too, he was amazing!

Nah, this guy just draws chalk versions of Davinci paintings and stuff, he's damn good though. I'll try to remember to take a picture next time i see him


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Very interesting experiment, and I disagree with those that state that the experiment would have been better in a park or mall. Part of the point of this experiment, I think, was whether to see whether beautifully music, performed by one of the greatest violin players in the world, could transcend routine and monotonous life. Doesn't work as well when you're in a place where people are just walking around having fun, or have plenty of spare time.


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I carry Canadian pennies to give to subway performers in NYC.

Get a real job, for chrissake.

If they're really good, I give them a Susan B. Anthony dollar.


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