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Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory
Not saying its a bad album, but I really dont understand why this is looked at as one of the better albums from the band. I always thought Images & Words, Awake, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, and Train of Thought were better. I would have said Octavarium was too, but that album has grown abit boring over the last 2 years.

Wholeheartedly agree, I think Scenes is one of their worst albums, it's beyond belief how pretentious it is. Does have an amazing song though, that one being "Home".


I'll 2nd that! "Scenes" is the one DT cd that I have the most trouble getting into. I still remeber buying this one on the way home from work when it was first released. I worked about 60 miles from home so I had a long drive (with traffic..about 1.5 hour drive) to listen to it. I was very disappointed. I loved the opening of "The Overture" but it tumbled downhill after that. It has a few interesting tracks but overall I found it too meloncholy/somber. :sad:


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Threads like this make you realize how crazy people are. :wacko:


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metalNESS wrote:
Threads like this make you realize how crazy people are. :wacko:


What's crazy? People have a right to feel the way they do about certain material. Music affects us all differently. It's not an issue of right or wrong. Rather, it's just interpretation. :wink:


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Threads like this make you realize how crazy people are. :wacko:


What's crazy? People have a right to feel the way they do about certain material. Music affects us all differently. It's not an issue of right or wrong. Rather, it's just interpretation. :wink:


I was trying to be humorous… psycho.












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metalNESS wrote:
Threads like this make you realize how crazy people are. :wacko:

Yeah but there's always a little sick pleasure to be had when someone agrees with you lol


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Sorry metalness...I should have had my sarcasm detector firmly adjusted when I read your post...nutjob! :P


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Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys: The Legacy

I hate to crap on Helloween, because I love most everything they've ever put out. Both the Kiske era and the Deris era hold huge places in my heart. However, this album just strikes me as painfully generic and very derivative of younger bands that were inspired by earlier Helloween in the first place. Rabbit Don't Come Easy showed signs of this, but on here it's apparent nearly all the time. Plus, the album is just ridiculously long and with tracks such as Shade in the Shadow and Get It Up that are just plain unbearable in their lack of inspiration, this thing is quite a challenge to listen through in its entirety.

This cd certainly seems to bug certain people, I used to think exactly the same as you (ask anyone on this board). Recently i gave it a few more spinns, and i burned the best songs to a single cd including the BONUS TRACKS and i'm actually liking it a lot more now. I just thought i'd share my story...


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Scion wrote:
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Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys: The Legacy

I hate to crap on Helloween, because I love most everything they've ever put out. Both the Kiske era and the Deris era hold huge places in my heart. However, this album just strikes me as painfully generic and very derivative of younger bands that were inspired by earlier Helloween in the first place. Rabbit Don't Come Easy showed signs of this, but on here it's apparent nearly all the time. Plus, the album is just ridiculously long and with tracks such as Shade in the Shadow and Get It Up that are just plain unbearable in their lack of inspiration, this thing is quite a challenge to listen through in its entirety.

This cd certainly seems to bug certain people, I used to think exactly the same as you (ask anyone on this board). Recently i gave it a few more spinns, and i burned the best songs to a single cd including the BONUS TRACKS and i'm actually liking it a lot more now. I just thought i'd share my story...


Maybe I'll try that out...what I'd like to do most though is to cut down the song Occasion Avenue to about five or six minutes. In its current version, it's far too long and has so many dumb non-musical parts ("when you learn how to lick anus" or something like that, WTF?). The only song on the album I can say is really good through and through is the last one, My Life For One More Day.


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Raven wrote:
Scion wrote:
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Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory
Not saying its a bad album, but I really dont understand why this is looked at as one of the better albums from the band. I always thought Images & Words, Awake, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, and Train of Thought were better. I would have said Octavarium was too, but that album has grown abit boring over the last 2 years.

Wholeheartedly agree, I think Scenes is one of their worst albums, it's beyond belief how pretentious it is. Does have an amazing song though, that one being "Home".


I'll 2nd that! "Scenes" is the one DT cd that I have the most trouble getting into. I still remeber buying this one on the way home from work when it was first released. I worked about 60 miles from home so I had a long drive (with traffic..about 1.5 hour drive) to listen to it. I was very disappointed. I loved the opening of "The Overture" but it tumbled downhill after that. It has a few interesting tracks but overall I found it too meloncholy/somber. :sad:


I dunno, I think Scenes from a Memory is some of DT's best work...I thought everything was great: the production, the story, the music (instrumentally), and the vocals especially...I think it was Labrie's best performance. Overture 1928, The Dance of Eternity, Home, Beyond this Life, Finally Free, Strange Deja Vu...I think they're all amazing songs. And while the softer songs don't stick out as much, they're definitely not bad and I thought they were used effectively by DT to tell the story.

But, I can see that some people might not like it...I don't get what you mean by this CD being "pretentious", though.


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Into Eternity - The Scattering of Ashes

Makes my head hurt. Power, Death and Progressive metal scattered (pun intended) around with little regard to making the sounds flow together, featuring awful high-pitched clean vocals that have no bottom end to them whatsoever. And what's up those emo parts that randomly pop up? They make no sense whatsoever and having them there certainly has to make plenty a metal fan shy away? This album also showcases a great example of bad Century Media production; entirely too polished and flat, no punch to it whatsoever.

Oh hell yes.

Another underappreciated album is Tool's 10,000 Days. True after 5 years you'd expect more evolution, but now that I'm over that, I think that Tool maybe not have evolved, but they're certainly getting better. The individual songs are just more immediately gripping and dynamic than on those two albums, and I just plain like listening to it more :P


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But, I can see that some people might not like it...I don't get what you mean by this CD being "pretentious", though.

That i find it pretentious is the sole reason i dislike it. What i mean is that it seens to me it tries to be all this serious, with a touching story and all while the next thing you know they get totally tasteless and go crazy with extensive soloing, crazy polyrythms and whatnot. It messes up any credibility this so called story had, and it's downright disrespectful to the listener. In the end you don't even care about the words and the songs, no matter how much emotion LaBrie adds to them.


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Overrated

Dream Theater - Octavarium my least favourite DT release. Early press on the new cd sounds like a return to form.

Angra - Aurora Consurgens - Tried to like it but strange cd the songs don't grab you like previous albums does have moments but not enough.

Circus Maximus - The guys are talented but anyone who's heard LTE and DT well you know what I'm thinking.

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Xandria - India this one really suprised me.

On The Virg - (Serious Young Insects) one of the best instrumental prog cds. Listen to this and you realise what a huge contributor Virgil Donati is to Planet X and a monster drummer. Pushing the boundaries that only guys like Thomas Lang and Marco Minnemann can try to get close to.

Jordan Rudess - Rythm of time - Another really good instrumental album.


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noodles wrote:
Another underappreciated album is Tool's 10,000 Days. True after 5 years you'd expect more evolution, but now that I'm over that, I think that Tool maybe not have evolved, but they're certainly getting better. The individual songs are just more immediately gripping and dynamic than on those two albums, and I just plain like listening to it more :P


+1

Lost Keys + Rosetta Stoned = the best song(s) that Tool's ever written.


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Dream Theater - Octavarium my least favourite DT release. Early press on the new cd sounds like a return to form.

Angra - Aurora Consurgens - Tried to like it but strange cd the songs don't grab you like previous albums does have moments but not enough.

Circus Maximus - The guys are talented but anyone who's heard LTE and DT well you know what I'm thinking.


See these kinds of lists just make me think you people are crazy. Octavarium doesn't really receive a whole lot of praise. It's actually hated by a lot of DT fans. Same goes for Aurora Consurgens. It's good, but that’s really all the praise it gets. It's overrated on this site, but not by the majority of the Angra fans out there. And are you kidding me? Circus Maximus are phenomenal. I know it boils down to opinion, but LTE can't touch these guys. They're one of my favorite prog/power bands out there (next to Vanden Plas). Anyway, this thread drives me crazy. Don't take offense.


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Manticora- Hyperion/8 Deadly Sins/The Black Circus Part 1- Letters

I think its absoloutely crazy how little attention this band gets, despite great reviews. I think that at this point, they're doing the best work in power metal, along with Kamelot and Blind Guardian- the difference being that those two are getting the respect that they deserve.

Tankard- Beast of Bourbon/Beauty and the Beer

Every year, it happens. An old thrash band releases a piece of shit (with a few exceptions), and fans everywhere cry and lose the will to live, all the while ignoring one of the only thrash bands that has stayed true and thrashing this whole time. Tankard's last two albums are not only good, they're among their best; it really is a shame few pay them any attention.

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Megadeth- The System Has Failed

I have no idea why anybody likes this album. Blackmail the Universe, Kick the Chair and to a lesser extent, Back in the Day are all excellent tunes, but besides that, this album has nothing good. The fact that people even like it, let alone call it a great album, confuses me so very much.

Helloween- Keeper of the Seven Keys: The Legacy

Not a bad album. There are some excellent tracks; King For a Thousand Years being the best, but Pleasure Drone, Mrs. God and My Life For One More Day are also awesome. Other songs have good parts; others, not so much. If they had cut about 15-20 minutes out, this would be the amazing album everyone says it is.

Iron Maiden- A Matter of Life and Death

A few good songs. Boring in all. When you get to the 6th acoustic intro in a row, few of which add anything to the song, and Dickinson's vocals begin to grate on you, you know something's wrong.


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metalNESS wrote:
scud wrote:
Dream Theater - Octavarium my least favourite DT release. Early press on the new cd sounds like a return to form.

Angra - Aurora Consurgens - Tried to like it but strange cd the songs don't grab you like previous albums does have moments but not enough.

Circus Maximus - The guys are talented but anyone who's heard LTE and DT well you know what I'm thinking.


See these kinds of lists just make me think you people are crazy. Octavarium doesn't really receive a whole lot of praise. It's actually hated by a lot of DT fans. Same goes for Aurora Consurgens. It's good, but that’s really all the praise it gets. It's overrated on this site, but not by the majority of the Angra fans out there. And are you kidding me? Circus Maximus are phenomenal. I know it boils down to opinion, but LTE can't touch these guys. They're one of my favorite prog/power bands out there (next to Vanden Plas). Anyway, this thread drives me crazy. Don't take offense.



Circus Maximus sounds like a tribute to LTE and DT so many similarities.


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scud wrote:
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Dream Theater - Octavarium my least favourite DT release. Early press on the new cd sounds like a return to form.

Angra - Aurora Consurgens - Tried to like it but strange cd the songs don't grab you like previous albums does have moments but not enough.

Circus Maximus - The guys are talented but anyone who's heard LTE and DT well you know what I'm thinking.


See these kinds of lists just make me think you people are crazy. Octavarium doesn't really receive a whole lot of praise. It's actually hated by a lot of DT fans. Same goes for Aurora Consurgens. It's good, but that’s really all the praise it gets. It's overrated on this site, but not by the majority of the Angra fans out there. And are you kidding me? Circus Maximus are phenomenal. I know it boils down to opinion, but LTE can't touch these guys. They're one of my favorite prog/power bands out there (next to Vanden Plas). Anyway, this thread drives me crazy. Don't take offense.



Circus Maximus sounds like a tribute to LTE and DT so many similarities.


You sound like you like men...












btw, I'm kidding, everybooby needs to listen to Kiko's solo album. Holy crap...


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I'm not gay but my boyfriend is.


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I'm not gay but my boyfriend is.


:lol:

Seriously, everybody needs to listen to Kiko Loureiro's solo album. It's like Jazz Metal. He is so damn talented.


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Manticora- Hyperion/8 Deadly Sins/The Black Circus Part 1- Letters

I think its absoloutely crazy how little attention this band gets, despite great reviews. I think that at this point, they're doing the best work in power metal, along with Kamelot and Blind Guardian- the difference being that those two are getting the respect that they deserve.

Tankard- Beast of Bourbon/Beauty and the Beer

Every year, it happens. An old thrash band releases a piece of shit (with a few exceptions), and fans everywhere cry and lose the will to live, all the while ignoring one of the only thrash bands that has stayed true and thrashing this whole time. Tankard's last two albums are not only good, they're among their best; it really is a shame few pay them any attention.





I couldn't agree more. I sampled Manticora's stuff on MySpace and then bought all three CD's. I'm really impressed with them. Tankard has been consistently producing great thrash CD's. They never stray from what works. Perhaps they could be considered thrash's AC/DC. :D


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