Metal Reviews

So... lyrics about slaughtering christians by death metal bands are fine but using the word "jude" isn't? I know the context is different but it stills seems pretty silly

ah, jumping over my arguments with ease....

so you're saying, that if musicians use the jew word, "jew".. then it's NS? .. and if the music is about aryan pride etc, but doesn't mention the jews, then it's not NS?

i will say it again. Being "anti-semitic" is only a very small part of the NS ideology, but even that is a false assumption, since some nazis doesn't have anything against jews. And since "anti-semitism" is used about ppl who are against zionism and judaism it quickly becomes foolish to say " aah.. they are nazis".. then many left-oriented ppl would be nazis as well, despite nazism being right-oriented.
It's like observing all the left-handed write with a pencil and then make the assumption that all ppl who write with pencil are left-handed.

I only came up with the link to illustrate the point of what I personally would not give an honor of the review, since your link was quite vague and not in any way an extreme zionist view.

Speaking of which, that book I mentioned speaks about how complex the Israeli society really is. What you described is probably 50% of it, but alongside secular zionists there are religious zionists, messianic settlers, ultra-Orthodox, but also modern Westernized people, modernists, peace activists, Druse, who are Muslims but recognize the state of Israel and serve in its army, etc. etc. Occupation/land annexation after 67 is ongoing, but that also put a lot of splits and fault lines into the Israeli society. At the same time, zionist invention of kibbutz, where people live and work on the land together is nothing short of the best social justice in the modern Western world. Too bad some of that land was not always acquired without other people getting hurt. Again, if interested, read the book, I can't describe it all in one paragraph, but that view is VERY self-critical, and quite unbiased. Yours is quite more simplistic, general and worldwide accepted. I find the world to be quite anti-semitic in general, seen a lot of examples of it while living in Ukraine/Russia. Something I found very interesting, again, from the book, that Palestinian society was a lot more economically profitable between 67 and intifada. Right now their economy is in ruins. They were actually economically and personally better off being Israelified than struggling for a collective independence idea. Such a cruel irony, the world works in mysterious ways .... OK, I am totally off topic now, sorry ....
You asked a simple question of what Kayla would not review and I interjected. I guess with my link I gave you a copy of what I would not review from the extreme Jewish national point of view. Time to provide you with another side of the coin. Here we go, the lyrics of <b>Aryan Terrorism</b>, another band of Knjaz Varggoth of <b>Nocturnal Mortum</b>:

<b>Jewish Provocation</b>

They, who’re buying the world
Their moral-moral of false
Like a locust they devour our souls
And sell them into Jehovah’s slavery

But we are not humble people!
Or have we forgotten our Kin?
Revenge! For Our Aryan Fathers!
The Great Power fed only by Wolfish
Freedom!

When our eyes gaze into our sky
They see only darkness
Our sun was stolen by the Jews
Our starts were sold by the price of dirt

Yet our hands can hold the weapon
Our fathers learnt us this art
Let’s return our Past Honour
Dethrone the false “masters”!

White Race, take a look-
Here comes our dawn!

Now bars can’t hold our wraith!
No fear of death-
We’re guided by our grey-haired father-gods

Jehovah, look how we kill your children!
…But you will see nothing
…You will do nothing
Because you’re just an invention
You’re a lie
A Jewish Provocation



Pretty explicit, don't you say

Then here is Swedish <b>Silencer</b>, something more subliminal, but I think a glorification of Holocaust. I thought about reviewing Death, Pierce Me, but put it off after reading this.

<b>I Shall Lead, You Shall Follow</b>

Panzer Riders
Through Bloody Storms,
Acid Spiders
In Uniforms

Golden Gleams
That Are Sunken Streams,
Buried In The Coil
Of Infinite Di - Visions

I Doom The Carriers Of Wombs,
Opened Are Your Shallow Tombs

The Consumption Of Six Million Stars,
Cyclonic Winds In Septic Wars
Shed Are The Blood Of Jewmans,
Slay The Lion Of Juda,
Revive The Night Of Crystals!

Convert My Ashes,
Rebuild Me In The Spiral World
Of Nowhere
My Only Solution
Is The Cosmic Conclusion -
Bow For Me!
...Drei Blintzeln Kapitan!
(Nein, Nicht, Noch Einmal!)


I think the examples you gave Kayla were how one can interpret a lyric sheet both ways. From Vikings glory to Aryan domination, people can interpret that based on how far they want to twist their mind. I would review Immortal, I would review Darkthrone. I would not review Aryan Terrorism or Golgolot.

True. But do we really need the fans here that are of like mind? Everyone jumped all over DEA for being a "racist." Let's not now shout from the other side of the fence.

This review was essentially given to green light due to the fact that we accepted it from a label and had guaranteed them a review before knowing anything about the lyrical content. Not wanting to burn bridges and such by sending the CD back to Sweden, or wherever it came from, it was agreed upon that the review would go up with a disclaimer. I do believe this is a one-time exception. This isn't about being wishy-washy, not being consistent, etc.; it was simply an unexpected turn of events, so to speak.

yeah, i know why you came up with the link i only said it was funny, because the guy seemed like an idiot. Just like the egyptian black metal band that sings about camels, but's that off-topic.

And to the rest. I can't disagree that much, sure there's a few things, but i'm sure it's nothing since it's just a matter of infomation i find important to add, not that it will chance what u said, but just give another meaning to it, perhaps. But i don't want to go there now - i want to go to bed

I also know i was simplifying zionism, since there's several types of zionism. And i think you got the point with my examples of lyrics. However, those lyrics you found are quite hard to misunderstood, and filled with propaganda aka "lies and stupidity". I can understand if Kayla doesn't want to review those. I wouldn't review "Muhammad Jihad Terrorism" either if such band existed

It means they're anti-Semitic, at the very least, and given Rob Darken's involvement at one time, I felt it was better to give a disclaimer. As Ken said, we'd accepted this from Sound Riot, and owed them a review. Since the content was so mild, it was better to put it up than to break our agreement.

I also completely fail to see how one can call oneself a Nazi and have nothing against the Jews. I suppose those are the ones who never read Mein Kampf?

Here is an interesting observation for everyone who posted in this thread to ponder.
We are up to 25 posts here, and no one really mentioned Infernum music. Nobody questioned Kayla calling this "Crap of the Month" essentially. In a way then Infernum gets the benefit of our debate by including the content some find deplorable, some find mildly objectionable and some find completely acceptable. Thus, they benefit not from the quality of their music (which I have not heard thus you won't hear my personal comment), but from the controversy they stir. Some may even want to pick up this CD after this discussion. And, ironically, so many other bands, BM or not would go unnoticed ... This is another reason I loathe to give NS leaning bands any coverage - they simply get more undeserving attention.

well, the same way as most cumminist doesn't approve what Stalin did. sure, most nazi's are anti-semitic, esp neo-nazism. But that still doesn't mean all nazi's are anti-semitic, but they can still be racists and they still can dream of a country without a race except their own. In my country it's no longer the jews the nazi's are after, it's the muslims.

still, u can link Nazism and anti-semitism together. U can have nothing against jews and be a nazi, and you can have somethings against jews without being a nazi. Just because you're anti-semitic doesn't mean you're believe in nationalism and fascism etc.

It is precisely because the context is different. For example, the members of Vehemence probably wouldn't pull the trigger if someone handed them a gun and a tied-up Christian, but I wouldn't be so sure about some of the more vociferous NS musicians. These are people who are proud that over six million innocent people were brutally exterminated. All hate is not equal.

yes... if ppl shows just a little sign of being anti-semitic, they are nazi, and they would kill jews if they had the chance and they would be very proud of the deathcamps, just like if you don't like hanging around black ppl, then you want to kill them, and you're proud of how KKK used to deal with black ppl.

Frankly, i think you're being silly, you're generalizing and being paranoid at the same time.

You're still linking anti-semitism in a racial context to narrowminded retards, while ignoring the religous and political part. Most anti-semitists don't have anything against jews in the racial context, nor would they pull the trigger if they had the chance, nor do they feel any pride about the deathcamps. It's just like the average guy who doesn't like christianity, at least in my country, they wouldn't pull the trigger either. But some of the extreme heathens might do it, even though they are very few.
Most ppl aren't that stupid that they would actually shoot another person, nor do they have the guts to act the way they talk. And most ppl are aware of the fact they live in a modern world. We don't have to like each other, but we can still leave those ppl we dislike/hate alone. Besides, europeans are not used to hang around guns.

In some ways all hate is equal. It doesn't really matter that much if you're being beaten up on the street for having the wrong skincolour or for having the wrong football-shirt on. It's still hurts the next morning.

I think this statement should stop being ignored and we go on with our lives. I'm so glad I'm not a tr00 black metal head, b/c listening to music sounds difficult.

this quote would easily have fitted other BM discussion. But so far nobody talked about tr00ness or anything. It's a matter of accusing other ppl for being nazis.

if i was a reviewer and put a disclaimer on one some of the music you would normally listen to, stating that neither I or MR supported the band's love for KKK, without any real proof, i pretty much guess you wouldn't ignore it either.

One, you need to learn the difference between NATIONAL SOCIALISM and NAZI SOCIALISM. Two, I see NSBM in the exact same light as Christian killing Death Metal. It's all just fucking words on a piece of plastic, and people who get all bent out of shape over song lyrics are the true fucking retards. You know as well as I do that most bands of the NS persuasion are all just talk, and if push came to shove they wouldn't hurt a mouse. For all of the talk about it being "About the Music" that goes on around here, it is pretty hypocritical to deny reviews to bands based on the fucking IMAGE they present. Most of these bands are talking about Pagan gods and screwing trees. There is a huge difference between, say, Nokturnal Mortem, clearly tree fuckers, and the German Absurd for example.

I found listening to Cellador to be extremely difficult.

I agree with your previous post, EI



however, i suggest you read the lyrics for The Call of Aryan Spirit by Nokturnal Mortum on the Nechrist album (which had 88 tracks- hint). It's not about fucking tree's at all, i'm afraid

when will people learn that nazi isn't always someone who hates jews. NS stands for national-socialistic, am i right? nazi is an abbreviation of national-socialistic i believe? but is every band who plays NS therefor a nazi(in the meaning of the jewhating kind)? hell no!

I don't have that particular album, but I'll look into it. I never found anything overtly racist on Lunar Poetry or Goat Horn.

i think you're right. Nechrist probably is the most racist album of them all, if not the only, and it is more extreme than most other NSBM bands. Just go read the lyrics on MA, cuz i'm not going to post them here i'm only talking about that song in particular, haven't read a whole lot of the other lyrics from that album, and some of them is not in english, so... must mean it's something crazy, when they switch to their native language, or perhaps they are just hailing Britney Spears, who knows!? good album, btw.

NS = National Socialist = Nazi.

But someone who has nationalist/fascist/racist/antisemitic ideas is not necessarily a national socialist. National socialism was more than just antisemitism and racism. National socialism also has very clearly defined social and economic political ideas.

The problem is, people label any band that endorses any kind of extreme nationalist/right-wing ideology as NS. Rob Darken, for example, has said many times that he is not a national socialist but simply a nationalist, even though he shares a lot of ideas with and has respect for national socialists.