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Maybe thats because my generation is the only generation to have to sit through pure crap get shoved up their asses by MTV and the radio. I grew up not having a single radio station to listen to. Did you have a radio station Ken? I bet you did. I know MTV had a big infuence on the 80s scene but at least the shit they were pushing was in the same family as metal. At least some people were somewhat knowledgeable about the music they were listening to.
MTV was different in the 80s, as was radio. Neither are the same now, which I why I don't watch or listen to them. That's why I keep saying that you guys spend too much time going on about this stuff. Just ignore it. It's not like I never talk about bands I dislike, but 99% of the time when I discuss music it's about what I like. That's more enjoyable to me.
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And, to clarify things, it is not Limp Bizkit and the above mentioned bands that I hate as people so much as I hate what the public's perception of them are. I hate the fact that to most Americans those bands are what metal is.
Who's fault is that? Surely not the band's fault.
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Think of something you love Ken. You have metnioned that you love boxing. Now imagine someone saying that Hulk Hogan can outbox Rocky marciano. Now obviously this isnt true, but everyone around wears Hulk Hogan shirts and claims that he is the best boxer around. Everyone in America thinks this way except for a few. Are you going to tell me that you arent going to hate Hulk Hogan after a little while. I mean, he isnt even a boxer, just like those bands arent even metal bands, but the fact that everyone you grew up with and the media and MTV tells you that Hogan is the best fighter in the history of the world eventually would get to you. Not everybody can like every note of music recorded like you come off to do sometimes.
The difference is that Hogan isn't a boxer, but Limp Bizkit
is a metal band. The equivalent would be a boxing fan arguing that Hogan isn't an athlete. Surely he is; he's just not a boxer. Limp Bizkit are a metal band no matter which way someone spins it; they're just not the style of metal that you like, thus you hate to consider them metal in any way.
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BTW, i am not a typical hater of my generation. Look back on my posts and you will see plenty of overly positive posts. Some about bands that you have recommended. I bought Degree Absolute on your recommendation and loved them. Dont tell me their isnt anything I like or lump me in with anybody. I am simply saying that their are always bands, and those bands mentioned above are all terrible mockeries of metal, that will get hate simply because they have marketed themselves as something they are not. I dont toss a football around with my friends and claim to be a football player and some people find it offensive when bands throw in a few "metalish" characteristic on top of either a highly marketed image, or rap, or plain and simply lack of talent or inspiration.
My comments were in response to what you wrote, but please take them as general statements in response to the overall theme of this thread. If you think I was singling you out, I apologize. I wasn't.
I really wasnt taking any offense. I was just getting worked up. Anyway, I think it is important for bands like Limp Bizkit and the others discussed here to get flamed by the real metal fans. For the most part the fan base of a Limp Bozkit or a Linkin Park do not listen to any actual metal. THey have more rap albums in their collection than metal albums. (I am not saying this is everybody) It is important for people to speak up and point out that this isnt real metal, it is just a few power chords and some shitty songwriting and an image. If nobody points out that these bands arent what metal is about than they do become metal, in the public perception of metal. And it is the bands fault because they are saying they are something they are not. Limp Bizkit is metal in the same way a tomato is a fruit. Sure, its technically a fruit, but its a fucking vegetable.
The public perception of metal is important. When I first got into metal i remember a lot of people thinking that all i listened to was death metal telling me to kill my parents. This is what people thought of Manowar for christ's sake. Nowadays I tell people i listen to metal and they think I am listening to Disturbed and Avenged Sevenfold. The mainstream doesnt know what Metal is. The people in this forum and the people in the underground and the real fans do. It is important for metal to sustain its identity through times of "false metal" or the idea of what metal is dies.
To wrap this up, if Limp Bizkit was labeled as a rap band or some new made up genre than I wouldnt care. I would never say a word. But dont go around saying that you are metal if your not.
I do agree that people spend too much time bitching about bands they dislike though. i am guilty of getting caught up in it sometimes but for the most part I post positive things about bands that i like, but sometimes things just have to be said.
But this thread is funny!
