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Well, I initially said more than simply "they're not thrash." You've got to read everything here, man. No, they're not a a true thrash band, but there are elements.

And my last comment has a bit of an error. It should have read:

So basically The Crusade is a modern take on traditional metal and thrash, while their other albums are metalcore.

Earlier I said "traditional thrash metal and thrash," which is redundant and a mistake. I think Trivium have musically always been a traditional metal band with thrash elements, just like early Metallica (who were never a pure thrash band). But with the vocals being pure metalcore-styled vocals it made them sound like a metalcore band. Now, with simply aggressive vocals, they fall into the style of traditional metal with some thrash.

And that's the last time I say it.

Just so some of you n00bs can check this shit out.

Translation: The Metalcore bandwagon is falling apart, and Trivium have now hopped onto the Thrash revival bandwagon. Spend your money on something that is creative and isn't just a band shamelessy whoring itself out to whatever is "in" to make a buck.

bingo!

How old are these guys? Let's not pretend like you were "true" when you when you were a teenager. It's VERY common for young bands to emulate other bands, or what is popular, only to later evolve into something that is of their own heart.

Heafy was born in 1986, dude. He was 17 when the first Trivium album came out! His band got a record deal when he was 17! You fail to acknowledge certain things that are more likely than your own theories.

The music scene was far better when everyone didn't have a voice to vent their complaints. I'd like to see who you were at 17 years old, and then have you try to tell me you're the same person now.

And where is this "thrash revival?" Did you just make that up to better your argument stance?

Hey, I'm 15, and I listen to and emulate better music than THAT...*

Trivium were not emulating themselves! So yeah, great point.

You're 15. Stay in school.

I meant in response to your saying "emulating what is popular".

And I'm still in school. But I suck on the scientific subjects. Physics is interesting, but chemistry and math... ugh.

Regardless of what you meant, you're not acknowledging what I'm actually saying.

Based on the fact that the band played Metalcore, then denounced it proves my point. Matt Heafy listens to Black Metal almost exclusively, and yet they played a style that he claims not to like. That speaks volumes about the band being in it for the money. If he was making music for himself, he would be making something close to what he listens to, would he not?

And I listened to Metal at 17, I listened to Metal at 7, as I've stated several times on this board, old man. I grew up around it. My older brothers listen to Metal. And I am the same person, I'm just slightly less if a jackass these days. That's about all thats changed with me.

As for Thrash revival, pseudo-Thrash like this and Shadows Fall is quite popular these days, along with a plethora of new True Thrash bands coming out, many of which Bastard listed. So there it's not something I made up, and stop trying to make false excuses as to why somebody doesn't like something. There are a lot better bands out there that deserve the publics attention and buying money than this mediocre shit. With all there is to buy out there, why would anyone waste $15 on a band that is just retreading almost to a tee what Metallica did 20 years ago? I'd rather see a CREATIVE band get some attention, instead we get 7 pages of a trendrider being hailed as the"Best New Thrash Band". If someone honestly thinks that they need to be exposed to more music.

Oh and I'm sorry, we should suck the ass of EVERY single band in existence, just like you. You have no quality filter, and would probably defend korn if they put out and album filled with the sounds Johnathan Davis getting ass raped by his father, solely for the fact that you liked their old material. So stop crying about people not liking something, and a message board is for opinions, good or bad. You really don't understand these thing do you? This board is a hell of a lot more positive than any other one out there, you don't know how good we have it around here.

I'm just trying to open peoples eyes and show them that there are bands that blow Trivium away on their worst days, and would be money much better spent. Remember, not everybody has an unlimited supply of disposable income like you do.

I certainly do get your point. It is true that pretty much every musician absorbs bands they listen to, but the stuff I absorb is better than what Trivium absorb, be it thrash or metalcore.

at least, in my opinion PM is better than thrash.

Total speculation and opinion. My comment above wasn't about whether Trivium were good or bad, but whether or not they changed because metalcore is on the decline—which it's not, for the record.

Total speculation and opinion. My comment above wasn't about whether Trivium were good or bad, but whether or not they changed because metalcore is on the decline—which it's not, for the record.[/quote]

to bad..

I think it's about time metalreviews.com got rid of the messageboard.

Come on if you haven't noticed all the mainstream rock/metal magazines pimping bands like this as a "revival of the true 80s thrash metal spirit" then you haven't been reading them.

Of course, many would say it's good not to read them, but the fact remains that it's a very in thing to talk about a thrash revival nowadays.

Incidentally, lawl @ Metal Hammer claiming it was on the side of old school metal all along now it's trendy again.

No, I don't read magazines. Nothing in them is new if you read the net.

Regardless of what may or may not be heralded in magazines, Trivium have made no drastic changes that would indicate they're following a trend. They've simply taken away most of the ridiculous screaming. Nothing else has changed.

Not disagreeing with that. Nonetheless though, if you read trendier sources you'll find that playing a watered down thrash hybrid and claiming you're chanelling the spirit of 80s thrash is quite the fashion.

You're right, the internet is the place to go for cutting edge music. Magazines tend to be pretty lame in most circumstances (although not all).

Let me just think about something here. If Trivium played Manchetser I could pay £20 to go and see them with a couple of thousand other people in the venue and see a shit show with shit music and shit covers. If Municipal Waste played Manchester I could pay £9 to see them in a crowd of about 3 or 4 hundred people an awesome show with awesome msuics and if you've seen some of their live videos, wreak havoc. Now, I could generally put around about 1000 differant bands in that same equation in the place of MW and get the same outcome-Trivium=shit.


BTW, I have actually seen Trivium live just before their explosion cuz I got a cheap ticket and went for a laugh. They sucked. I'm seeing them again in December opening for Maiden and in the past two years if we include the upcoming Maiden show they've played Manchetser about 4 times. wtf

That actually mostly makes sense, except for the part about Heafy listening to Black Metal...if you check out the interview from a couple years ago (from MR), he says that he's mostly into melodeath--In Flames, namely. And the stuff they played back then really isn't that much different from In Flames and At the Gates. No, it wasn't melodeath, but it's really fairly similar. Also, there's a more recent interview of him on launch.com where he talks about getting into bands like Queen and Boston. Doesn't matter, point is that as far as I know he doesn't listen "exclusively" to black metal...so they're playing what they like to listen. Not to mention that there's other guys in the band.

Also, I don't really get what you're saying about a thrash revival...Eyesore's right, as far as I know there simply aren't many bands releasing SUCCESSFUL thrash. Yeah, there are tons of underground thrash bands out there, but as far as I'm concerned Trivium is being creative because you're not going to see a lot of thrash coming from major metal record companies. And as far as I'm concerned, Trivium IS showing creativity by making a drastic change in their sound.

On a seperate note...maybe it's only to my "untrained" ears, but most thrash sounds VERY similar to me, with the exception of Megadeth--Mustaine's voice is very distinctive. But anyways, when I'm listening to my iPod on shuffle, at the beginning of the song I often can't tell the difference between Metallica, Anthrax, Testament, and Exodus, even when the singing starts to kick in. Once I recognize the song, then yeah I can tell what band it is, but the point is it all sounds similar to me. What does this have to do with anything? Well, when a Crusade song comes on I can instantly tell the difference--I would never mistake them for any of the 80's/90's thrash bands. I just don't understand the argument that it's a Metallica reproduction when so many other thrash bands have an even MORE similar sound, at least to my ears.

Well, this is speculation. Where's the proof that he denounced metalcore? It may be true, but Trivium are not like most metalcore bands. I only labeled them metalcore because of the vocals; musically they never were metalcore. So is it not understandable that someone else, band member or fan, would not consider them metalcore? Of course not.

As for the black metal comment, it makes no sense. I almost exclusively listen to metal, but when I write music I can only write 80's rock, punk and hardcore. That's what comes out. Would I be in it for the money if I wrote a punk album? You dislike the band, fine, but let's not make things up. Maybe Heafy can't write black metal? Not possible, right?


You're lying to yourself if you're implying you're the same person. When I was 14 years old I was driving my mother to work without a license because my father was an alcholic. I grew up fast! At 17 years old I was nothing like my friends my age. But at 20 years old I was nothing like I was at 17 years old.

You are not the same person now. Not even close.


This is the problem with someone like you. You can't just not like something. With the internet now, people like you go out of their way and try so fucking hard to discredit bands/musicians! When was the last time you typed this much about a band you liked?

And again, you're making things up. No one hailed them as the "Best New Thrash Band," did they? Of course not. And you're defending thrash like it's an original genre! Haha. Municipal Waste? Haha. Yeah, totally original! If you knew something about music you'd know that 99.9% of bands out there are retreading something done by bands in the past! But you know that, of course, it just doesn't bode well with your opinion that Trivium aren't original enough.


Again, you're acting like a whiny baby. Don't you fucking tell me that I have no quality filter when you're the one that can't stand that I may like a band that you dislike! You try so hard to convince me that I'm wrong in my tastes that it's laughable!!

And if you were paying attention you'd have understood that I did not like the first two Trivium albums, I also said I was not a fan! But you didn't read what I said, people like you never do. All you do is want to talk shit when it comes to something like this. Instead of just giving reasons—accurate reasons—why you dislike it, you start making things up to further accentuate your claim that a band/album sucks! That is pathetic. You don't like it, fine. Why make shit up?

You sit here and tell me a messageboard is for opinions, good or bad, yet who's coming across as the one who can't handle another's opinion. Surely not me. I've been having a discussion—which is normal on a messageboard—and you come in now personally attacking me! I assume this is where I'll be accused of starting a flamewar, right?


No, you're not doing that at all. You're trying to convince people that Trivium sucks. You're doing nothing that shows people there are better bands out there. Heatseaker is a new fan to metal, total noob, are you helping him here? Are you really trying to open his eyes to new bands, or are you simply trying to open his eyes to your opinion?

I don't care if people don't like as many styles as I do; I make my suggestions and you're welcome to do what you will with them. But you'll never see me get angry—like some of you do—when someone likes a band I dislike. That's retarded. I like to discuss music, if I'm on the opposite end of a general opinion, so be it. I don't care. I will defend that opinion just like you defend yours. But, of course, I'm wrong, right? Haha. Come on, dude! You dislike Trivium, I dislike every album but their The Crusade. Does it burn you up inside that much?

At the end of the day, YOU don't like Trivium. You're neither right nor wrong in your opinion. Nor am I. Why not let someone decide what they like and don't like instead of trying to control their opinions over a damn messageboard.

And for the record, you all think I like everything simply because I find it utterly pointless to spend my time here discussing something I dislike. If you want to spend more time talking shit about bands—which many of you seem to do—that's fine. I choose not to. But there are countless bands that I dislike. If you'd like, I can be more conforming to the style of the board and go into the Death forum and trash virtually every band in there. Would you like that? Maybe you could then insult me more!

And if you choose to reply to this, exclude the childish insults.