Metal Reviews

So you're talking about a band you've never listened to?

Yes I am. Want to fight about it? We already have issues about you not liking MDB...



Although you said that if hardcore only had a teensy bit of metal in it it should be classed as metalcore, and I definitely disagree with that statement regardless of wether I've heard Earth Crisis.

Plus, isn't it just common knowledge that they're one of the world's most influential hardcore bands? I felt pretty confident describing St Vitus as a Doom band before I ever heard them, for example. Same thing...

Edit: Although Wikipedia says that they are metalcore. Now I don't know what to think... Help me someone that knows about this sort of thing

Heh, wasn't starting a war just yet. I mean, you could say all metal has a little 'core in it, therefore can be classed as metalcore. Whenever I see EC mentioned, it's as a metalcore band. I suppose it depends on who's talking, and what they see metalcore to mean.

Well that's some wacky semantic debate that we can save for another time.

Anyway, I'm happy to assume you're right about EC unless I hear them and think otherwise

OK. And I'll go hurt my ears with MDB!

Don't feel bad, I don't like MDB either, I should, but I don't for some odd reason.

MDB are a funny one. Sometimes they can actually be very inspiring and kind of dull but I always defend them because there are certain times when nothing else will do.

I have Anathema for that and their songs aren't so long. I have only heard Turn Loose the Swans, Angel and the Dark River and Dreadful hours (I bought all of them ,see how hard I tried to like them) and just can't groove to it.....

Same for me with TDH. Awesome opening few minutes, but I often can't remember anything after that.

I always like TLTS though.

Earth Crisis were a hardcore band that toward the end mixed in just a weeeeeeee bit of metal. They were totally a hardcore band. And I'd call Refused a hardcore/punk band. You're not suggesting Refused were metalcore, are you?

I don't what Wikipedia says! Earth Crisis are not metalcore. Zad, you can go and edit Wikipedia, and you think EC are metalcore. You're wrong, however, so Wikipedia isn't something we all want to be using as fact. Wikipedia is a place where anyone can change fact, if it's not a blatant fallacy the people who administrate Wikipedia never catch on.

Metalcore wasn't even a so-called genre for 95% of Earth Crisis's career. How are they now metalcore? Yes, toward the end they incorporated a little clean singing, maybe some more metal riffs, but they were always clearly a hardcore band. A little metal in your hardcore does not make you a metalcore band, dude.

aren't Refused like experimental/post-hardcore?

That could work, I guess. They evolved over time, but I don't think they were very experimental to be classified more than hardcore/punk.

The shape of punk to come was deffinately more experimental than your average hardcore/punk of that time...

On the defense, hey? As has been said, it doesn't really matter. I don't think it's an insult to Refused to call them metalcore, but we've been through that before... Post-hardcore works for me...

Not on the defense at all. I'm big fans of both bands, have been for a very long time. They're just not metalcore. And yes, I think it matters.

I can appreciate to concept of genres being less important, but I think the day people really don't care to get shit right sort of strips away some of the integrity of music. I'd rather people actually care, you know?

I base my lisening likes generally on band names rather than genres, trying out new stuff not because of the genre that I like, but because of the band. So I do care, but in a different way, you see?

OK, that's fine. But it's fine for you. When someone decides to take their opinion to the stage in front of an audience I think they should have their facts straight.

It's all music in the end, we both know this, but saying Earth Crisis and Refused are metalcore is VERY misleading. First off, Earth Crisis and Refused sound nothing alike, they're worlds apart! Moreover, both bands are just as separated from the likes of All That Remains and Killswitch Engage than they are from each other.

So, yeah, genres don't matter, but if you're going to bring them up you should come correct, yo.

What I find funny is Metallica comes out and says they do it for the money on Some Kind of Monster, and yet people still try to defend them. They refer to Metallica as a "business venture" and that they have to stay together even though they can no longer stand one another to keep the money train rollin.

Also, bands hire Bob Rock to make them stars, plain and simple. If you want to put out music for yourself, you damn sure aren't hiring Bob Rock to be your producer. The guy charges a million dollars to do an album.

Just because, say, Nile and Cryptopsy sound different doesn't stop them from both being Death Metal. Same here, it's a big genre, which of course will have a few duffers in (or quite a few in this case), and it's no compliment to compare them. I think metalcore fits them. Otherwise, let's bring Hatebreed into the equation and start comparing them...