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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:01 am 
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Their later stuff reminds me of a less good Radiohead with a chick singing or something.


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Their later stuff reminds me of a less good Radiohead with a chick singing or something.

You're apparently not listening very good.


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Their later stuff reminds me of a less good Radiohead with a chick singing or something.

You're apparently not listening very good.


Fuck I agree with Noodles. Ken, for someone who wants to save the music industry you sure like a lot of shit......

Why the fuck should a band that can play as good and heavy as the Gathering with so much emotion want to make 2nd right dark lounge music? It boggles me.

Hey, I still know your ass hasn't checked our Memoirs from 3rd and the Mortal or Ad Naseum from Monumensium, and I wonder if you have Savior from Antimatter because it kicks the shit out of what the Gathering is trying to do in the same style, easily.


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Heard the samples, realised I'd heard a few songs before (Charles sent me Strange Machines, and I checked out their website a long time ago). This is exactly the kind of thing I like, I'll be getting stuff by them (was previously waiting to find Mandylion). Good review, Kenobi.

Just get Mandylion and Nighttime birds. If then Else and How to Measure are not all that.........

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lol, but they are serously not that good. They are rather disjointed and have no flow. Mandylion and Nighttime Birds ARE that good.

Pffft!™ ©Eyesore 2006. You're crazy. They are that good, but I can see how someone would find it hard to sort of travel with them on their little musical journey. Mandylion and Nighttime Birds are two very different albums from what they've done since. It doesn't, however, mean that what they're doing now is bad. In fact, it's very, very good and not disjointed at all when listening to the specific albums. Take their entire discography together and, yeah, it's very disjointed.


Yeah it is disjointed and sucks because albums like Mandylion and Nighttime Birds are 9/10 classic fucking albums and the rest of their shit isn't.

Look you want heavy, emotional, female fronted music that moves you get those two albums. You want to hear a band that while still very talented and good at what they play is stubbornly refusing to make music as unique and special as they are capable of then get If Then Else or how to Measure. You want to hear a band going for commercial success and coming off 3rd rate compared to bands I pointed out that do it much better, get their last two releases.

You want a very cool live album though get sleepy buildings, even I like that.

BTW guys you have to take Kenny G and his taste with a grain of salt, remember this is a guy that booed Queensryche in favor of 89 AOR Def Leppard, thinks the shit fest that is Promiseland is a good album and defended Nickelback as having an Album of the year. Follow his advice at your own peril.........


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I like later Gathering, whatever other people think. Ken's taste is none of my business; mine is none of his. He likes Nickleback; I like My Chemical Romance. We can poke fun at each other's taste, but we can't say it's wrong or right. Most of the Metal-Archives fucks are plain wrong in their reviews, I'd say over the course of time Ken has been more right than they are. So, if Ken says something is good I check it out and keep an open mind, because the odds are it will be.

In other words, shut the fuck up, Leeeee. :P

Does anyone else get reminded of the Corrs with the later Gathering? Weird. :)


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:07 pm 
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noodles wrote:
Their later stuff reminds me of a less good Radiohead with a chick singing or something.

You're apparently not listening very good.

Fuck I agree with Noodles. Ken, for someone who wants to save the music industry you sure like a lot of shit......

Retarded statement.

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Why the fuck should a band that can play as good and heavy as the Gathering with so much emotion want to make 2nd right dark lounge music? It boggles me.

Because they don't want to play anything else? Makes perfect sense to me.

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Hey, I still know your ass hasn't checked our Memoirs from 3rd and the Mortal or Ad Naseum from Monumensium, and I wonder if you have Savior from Antimatter because it kicks the shit out of what the Gathering is trying to do in the same style, easily.

Your opinion is shared by few. You lose.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:15 pm 
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Yeah it is disjointed and sucks because albums like Mandylion and Nighttime Birds are 9/10 classic fucking albums and the rest of their shit isn't.

Opinion.

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Look you want heavy, emotional, female fronted music that moves you get those two albums. You want to hear a band that while still very talented and good at what they play is stubbornly refusing to make music as unique and special as they are capable of then get If Then Else or how to Measure. You want to hear a band going for commercial success and coming off 3rd rate compared to bands I pointed out that do it much better, get their last two releases.

Opinion with zero basis in fact. Where is the attempt at commercial success here? Hahaha. WTF? Do they sound like Evanescence now? The band has been changing their style since day one, you like two albums they've done, leave it at that, your opinion on everything else is rather stupid and juvenile.

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You want a very cool live album though get sleepy buildings, even I like that.

Funny. :roll:

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BTW guys you have to take Kenny G and his taste with a grain of salt, remember this is a guy that booed Queensryche in favor of 89 AOR Def Leppard, thinks the shit fest that is Promiseland is a good album and defended Nickelback as having an Album of the year. Follow his advice at your own peril.........

I never defended Nickelback. I don't even fucking like Nickelback! :shock:

I did boo Queensryche in favor of Def Leppard, but I have since forgiven myself. Of course, Def Leppard are still the better band.

Promised Land is a great album, an opinion shared by many.

If you all want to follow leee's path do this: Take every band that you like, take their first two albums and set them aside. Take the rest of their albums, shit on them and light them on fire. They suck. The band, at that point, likely sold out, changed their style into pussy music, or there are simply too many younger people listening to them which automatically relegates them as requiring the Shit & Fire Treatment.

Shit & Fire Treatment, leee, Inc. ©2006


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He don't get all pissy with me because you were busy lisitining to Def Leppard and Pearl Jam and missed all of these great bands when they were making good music and now you are stuck thinking their new shit is good.

Are you fucking kidding me that the Gathering isn't going for a commercial sound with their last two studio albums? Sure they aren't, just like Anathema isn't either.......

I like some entire catalogues by some bands that have drastically changed (Katatonia, Paradise Lost, Tiamat, Amorphis (except for Far from the Sun), Sentenced, etc etc.) It just needs to be done with talent. The Gathering, while talented somewhere along the lines forgot to write a killer song and drove themselves into mundane tepid music.

Life I said if you want that style but done good, get the bands I mentioned. If you don't and you want to just dip your toe into mediocre waters, buy what Ken is telling you too....

I always love it how Kenny G's opinions are shared by Millions world wide when he defends tepid music.....

Now I am never buying this fucking album even when I am in a bored mood like I was for their last two. I own all their shit too, Good job Ken.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:39 pm 
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He don't get all pissy with me because you were busy lisitining to Def Leppard and Pearl Jam and missed all of these great bands when they were making good music and now you are stuck thinking their new shit is good.

Hahahahahahaha! I love it when people make shit up so they can seemingly win an argument!

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Are you fucking kidding me that the Gathering isn't going for a commercial sound with their last two studio albums? Sure they aren't, just like Anathema isn't either.......

Jesus fuck, dude! What sort of commercial sound are they going for? Are you kidding me? Souvenirs and Home don't sound the same! Are they just releasing albums that are essentially poking their heads in rooms going, "Any major label A&R guys here? Hello? Hellooooooo? Shit! Well, guys, looks like we'll have to try another style on the next album. This one ain't making us rich and famous."

Hahaha. Yeah, you make sense. How easy would it have been for The Gathering to go Evanescence or even back to that Mandylion/Nighttime Birds style in light of Lacuna Coil's recent mainstream success? VERY easy! If the fucking band was trying to go commercial they wouldn't have written music like that which is on Home! Stay out of those Thai brothels, the HIV is eating away at your brain cells.

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I like some entire catalogues by some bands that have drastically changed (Katatonia, Paradise Lost, Tiamat, Amorphis (except for Far from the Sun), Sentenced, etc etc.) It just needs to be done with talent. The Gathering, while talented somewhere along the lines forgot to write a killer song and drove themselves into mundane tepid music.

Opinion alert! Bow down to the almighty opinion of leeeatshit!! :roll:

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Life I said if you want that style but done good, get the bands I mentioned. If you don't and you want to just dip your toe into mediocre waters, buy what Ken is telling you too....

Fuck! That's right, guys, listen to leee's "opinion" because it's right and he's an uber-metalhead from way back! His "opinion" KO1 my "opinion."

Of course, you could listen to the clips I presented along with my review to figure out for yourself whether or not you'd like it. See, with my opinion comes options. With leee's opinion comes his opinion. If you don't like it you're not a true metalhead!! :roll: He's the cock heading for your ass with no lube! I have lube, even the scented kind. Mmmm....strawberry. :shock: :?

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I always love it how Kenny G's opinions are shared by Millions world wide when he defends tepid music.....

I never said that about this band. Why? It doesn't apply. Now commence licking the sack!!

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Now I am never buying this fucking album even when I am in a bored mood like I was for their last two. I own all their shit too, Good job Ken.

Awesome! It's like getting a retard to read his first word. I'm glad I've reached you and helped change your life.

I'm here all week.


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Hey, you kiddies want to buy 3rd rate shit from bands that were once good listen to Ken.

you want to get the unreal deal and follow some ELO Pearl Jam loving Metal come lately Johnny get what Ken likes, is very simple

The mere fact you don't think there shit is commercial nowadays total supports my "Ken doesn't have a clue" opinon. Damn dude, do you even have these album are you just automatically spot off when people dis bands that have seriously fucked up? Nobody likes Home.......The Gathering fucked up what they do best, live with it.


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i think lee is a poser or a sellout. maybe he's some music corporation trying to get metalheads to buy commercial crap.

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Hey, you kiddies want to buy 3rd rate shit from bands that were once good listen to Ken.

you want to get the unreal deal and follow some ELO Pearl Jam loving Metal come lately Johnny get what Ken likes, is very simple

The mere fact you don't think there shit is commercial nowadays total supports my "Ken doesn't have a clue" opinon. Damn dude, do you even have these album are you just automatically spot off when people dis bands that have seriously fucked up? Nobody likes Home.......The Gathering fucked up what they do best, live with it.

Quit acting like a child that didn't get the biggest cookie. If The Gathering have gone commercial, why not prove it! What commercial approach have they taken? They sound like no other commercial band that I can think of!

You're a whiny baby that can't accept people who have differing opinions because, to you, your opinion is fact, which, of course, is retarded. You don't like their new shit, I do. What the fuck is wrong with you? I include links for people to sample the music. They have a choice when it comes to me and my opinion. When it comes to you and yours they have no choice.

I'm not telling people they HAVE to like The Gathering, you're telling them they have to NOT like them, or their newer stuff. Don't be an elitist fag. I will school you every time, thimbledick! :roll:


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Eyesore wrote:
leee wrote:
Hey, you kiddies want to buy 3rd rate shit from bands that were once good listen to Ken.

you want to get the unreal deal and follow some ELO Pearl Jam loving Metal come lately Johnny get what Ken likes, is very simple

The mere fact you don't think there shit is commercial nowadays total supports my "Ken doesn't have a clue" opinon. Damn dude, do you even have these album are you just automatically spot off when people dis bands that have seriously fucked up? Nobody likes Home.......The Gathering fucked up what they do best, live with it.

Quit acting like a child that didn't get the biggest cookie. If The Gathering have gone commercial, why not prove it! What commercial approach have they taken? They sound like no other commercial band that I can think of!

You're a whiny baby that can't accept people who have differing opinions because, to you, your opinion is fact, which, of course, is retarded. You don't like their new shit, I do. What the fuck is wrong with you? I include links for people to sample the music. They have a choice when it comes to me and my opinion. When it comes to you and yours they have no choice.

I'm not telling people they HAVE to like The Gathering, you're telling them they have to NOT like them, or their newer stuff. Don't be an elitist fag. I will school you every time, thimbledick! :roll:


No no Kenny, read what I wrote. People can like what they what.

BTW, who the fuck gets called an elitest over the Gathering? That is like saying you are an elitest because you like Nickleback over 3 doors down.....

Yeah, I am going around to peoples houses, putting a gun to their head and telling them to only listen to Mandylion.....


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:34 am 
leee wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
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Hey, you kiddies want to buy 3rd rate shit from bands that were once good listen to Ken.

you want to get the unreal deal and follow some ELO Pearl Jam loving Metal come lately Johnny get what Ken likes, is very simple

The mere fact you don't think there shit is commercial nowadays total supports my "Ken doesn't have a clue" opinon. Damn dude, do you even have these album are you just automatically spot off when people dis bands that have seriously fucked up? Nobody likes Home.......The Gathering fucked up what they do best, live with it.

Quit acting like a child that didn't get the biggest cookie. If The Gathering have gone commercial, why not prove it! What commercial approach have they taken? They sound like no other commercial band that I can think of!

You're a whiny baby that can't accept people who have differing opinions because, to you, your opinion is fact, which, of course, is retarded. You don't like their new shit, I do. What the fuck is wrong with you? I include links for people to sample the music. They have a choice when it comes to me and my opinion. When it comes to you and yours they have no choice.

I'm not telling people they HAVE to like The Gathering, you're telling them they have to NOT like them, or their newer stuff. Don't be an elitist fag. I will school you every time, thimbledick! :roll:

No no Kenny, read what I wrote. People can like what they what.

BTW, who the fuck gets called an elitest over the Gathering? That is like saying you are an elitest because you like Nickleback over 3 doors down.....

Yeah, I am going around to peoples houses, putting a gun to their head and telling them to only listen to Mandylion.....

But you essentially are, relatively speaking. I give options with my opinion. I explain why I like something and defend that reasoning, I also give examples as shown in the countles New Music Download threads I've done and my reviews.

You don't have to like what I wrote, you can disagree with me all you want, but you're here telling people to listen to you, not me. You can't deny that.

And for the record, I like 3 Doors Down over Nickelback.


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Ive been listening to the mp3s for this album for a few months now. I find I like pretty much every song, the problem is, is that I dont like them together. It gets pretty boring, its like Im listening to Mazzy Star/Hope Sandoval, good but to many slow songs is just boring no matter what. My favorites on the album are: Shortest Day (Best), Waking Hour, and Forgotten.

I'd buy the album, but my GF has put my music buying on hold until my birthday passes. I saw it the other day for like 14.99 to. Anyways, this is my first The Gathering experience, Ive heard about them in the past but I just never bothered for some reason.


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The Silent Man wrote:
Ive been listening to the mp3s for this album for a few months now. I find I like pretty much every song, the problem is, is that I dont like them together. It gets pretty boring, its like Im listening to Mazzy Star/Hope Sandoval, good but to many slow songs is just boring no matter what. My favorites on the album are: Shortest Day (Best), Waking Hour, and Forgotten.

I'd buy the album, but my GF has put my music buying on hold until my birthday passes. I saw it the other day for like 14.99 to. Anyways, this is my first The Gathering experience, Ive heard about them in the past but I just never bothered for some reason.


It is really not the place to start unless you do like that whole Mazzy Star/Antimatter vibe, then by all means you should start with their newest stuff and sample the rest.

Song recommendations from early albums are def Strange Machines, In motion part 1, On most surfaces and Nighttime birds.

How is that for OPTIONS Ken?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:57 pm 
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The Silent Man wrote:
Ive been listening to the mp3s for this album for a few months now. I find I like pretty much every song, the problem is, is that I dont like them together. It gets pretty boring, its like Im listening to Mazzy Star/Hope Sandoval, good but to many slow songs is just boring no matter what. My favorites on the album are: Shortest Day (Best), Waking Hour, and Forgotten.

I'd buy the album, but my GF has put my music buying on hold until my birthday passes. I saw it the other day for like 14.99 to. Anyways, this is my first The Gathering experience, Ive heard about them in the past but I just never bothered for some reason.

It is really not the place to start unless you do like that whole Mazzy Star/Antimatter vibe, then by all means you should start with their newest stuff and sample the rest.

Song recommendations from early albums are def Strange Machines, In motion part 1, On most surfaces and Nighttime birds.

How is that for OPTIONS Ken?

Those options are second-rate links. :roll:


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Eyesore wrote:
leee wrote:
The Silent Man wrote:
Ive been listening to the mp3s for this album for a few months now. I find I like pretty much every song, the problem is, is that I dont like them together. It gets pretty boring, its like Im listening to Mazzy Star/Hope Sandoval, good but to many slow songs is just boring no matter what. My favorites on the album are: Shortest Day (Best), Waking Hour, and Forgotten.

I'd buy the album, but my GF has put my music buying on hold until my birthday passes. I saw it the other day for like 14.99 to. Anyways, this is my first The Gathering experience, Ive heard about them in the past but I just never bothered for some reason.

It is really not the place to start unless you do like that whole Mazzy Star/Antimatter vibe, then by all means you should start with their newest stuff and sample the rest.

Song recommendations from early albums are def Strange Machines, In motion part 1, On most surfaces and Nighttime birds.

How is that for OPTIONS Ken?

Those options are second-rate links. :roll:


I don't nerd out as bad as you and post links, fuckers can find it for themselves they want too.

You know, I think you don't think it is commercial (their new shit) because you love so much commercial shit it has no meaning to you.

Let me ask you this, do you think the last 2 Anathema albums are commercial (I love them by the way, Gathering could take lessons)......


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