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YOU WERE THE LIGHT AND THE WAY THEY'LL ONLY READ ABOUT


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His place in history isn't under contest, and there's someone in every generation that inspires huge followings. Personally, I think he doesn't deserve to be in the same book as, say, Dylan, let alone be placed next to him. I can see what the attraction is, though. Anyone could have been that figure, though, it's Kurt's good fortune it was him.

Not anyone, dude. Not at all. You have to have some sort of quality about your art. You think Chris Cornell or Eddie Vedder could have been "that guy?" No way. There was nothing special about Kurt Cobain, but there was something special about his art. That's the key right there, and not everyone has that.


Yeah ,because Eddie or Chris didn't blow their brains out. That's how Kurt became that guy. They were moderatley popular before he died. Afterwards everyone acted like they were life long fans. The quality of the art was how Geffen shoved the band down everyone's throat, and the sheep just accepted it. It was all marketing. He rambled incoherently and played three chords. Nevermind was the mastermind of Butch Vig's prowess more than Cobain's. Notice before and after Vig, the band sounds entirely different.


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COME TO THINK OF IT I ONLY LIKED NIRVANA WHEN I LIKED THE OFFSPRING, BLINK 182 AND SUM41 AND THEN MAYBE A BIT AFTERWARD.

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I liked Nirvana better before Nevermind LOL.


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nirvana suck. I can't stand 'em. and the fact that they killed hair metal and guitar solos... *shudder*

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Hair metal rules allright.

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I'd still argue that Alice In Chains were the most talented band from the grunge era.


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I'd still argue that Alice In Chains were the most talented band from the grunge era.


because they weren't really grunge. i mean, lot's of it is like metal... isn't it?

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I'd still argue that Alice In Chains were the most talented band from the grunge era.
"I don't llike being called a grunge guitar because as far as I know there aren't any talented guitarists in grunge"-the guitarist from Creed

Lol.


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I'd still argue that Alice In Chains were the most talented band from the grunge era.
"I don't llike being called a grunge guitar because as far as I know there aren't any talented guitarists in grunge"-the guitarist from Creed

Lol.


but the question is, is the guy from creed a good guitar player?

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FrigidSymphony wrote:
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I'd still argue that Alice In Chains were the most talented band from the grunge era.
"I don't llike being called a grunge guitar because as far as I know there aren't any talented guitarists in grunge"-the guitarist from Creed

Lol.


but the question is, is the guy from creed a good guitar player?
he has some pretty good shredding solos and such. not super great though


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noodles wrote:
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I'd still argue that Alice In Chains were the most talented band from the grunge era.
"I don't llike being called a grunge guitar because as far as I know there aren't any talented guitarists in grunge"-the guitarist from Creed

Lol.


but the question is, is the guy from creed a good guitar player?
he has some pretty good shredding solos and such. not super great though


then he's allowed to say that.

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I prefer Chris Cornell and Layne Staley over Kurt Cocaine any day. Eddie Vedder sounds like a molested donkey.

And Chris Cornell's solo stuff sucks and Layne Staley's songwriting ability was only beginning to bloom before he died. Vedder is a good songwriter, though.


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His place in history isn't under contest, and there's someone in every generation that inspires huge followings. Personally, I think he doesn't deserve to be in the same book as, say, Dylan, let alone be placed next to him. I can see what the attraction is, though. Anyone could have been that figure, though, it's Kurt's good fortune it was him.

Not anyone, dude. Not at all. You have to have some sort of quality about your art. You think Chris Cornell or Eddie Vedder could have been "that guy?" No way. There was nothing special about Kurt Cobain, but there was something special about his art. That's the key right there, and not everyone has that.

Yeah ,because Eddie or Chris didn't blow their brains out. That's how Kurt became that guy. They were moderatley popular before he died. Afterwards everyone acted like they were life long fans. The quality of the art was how Geffen shoved the band down everyone's throat, and the sheep just accepted it. It was all marketing. He rambled incoherently and played three chords. Nevermind was the mastermind of Butch Vig's prowess more than Cobain's. Notice before and after Vig, the band sounds entirely different.

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. Seriously. You're trying to change history and it won't happen. Everything you just said there is 100% incorrect.


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Eyesore wrote:
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His place in history isn't under contest, and there's someone in every generation that inspires huge followings. Personally, I think he doesn't deserve to be in the same book as, say, Dylan, let alone be placed next to him. I can see what the attraction is, though. Anyone could have been that figure, though, it's Kurt's good fortune it was him.

Not anyone, dude. Not at all. You have to have some sort of quality about your art. You think Chris Cornell or Eddie Vedder could have been "that guy?" No way. There was nothing special about Kurt Cobain, but there was something special about his art. That's the key right there, and not everyone has that.

Yeah ,because Eddie or Chris didn't blow their brains out. That's how Kurt became that guy. They were moderatley popular before he died. Afterwards everyone acted like they were life long fans. The quality of the art was how Geffen shoved the band down everyone's throat, and the sheep just accepted it. It was all marketing. He rambled incoherently and played three chords. Nevermind was the mastermind of Butch Vig's prowess more than Cobain's. Notice before and after Vig, the band sounds entirely different.

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. Seriously. You're trying to change history and it won't happen. Everything you just said there is 100% incorrect.


I'm not trying to change shit. I was there just as much as you were. If anything, people like you are trying to change history by selling people this lie that Kurt Cobain knew how to write songs. Most people knew Smells Like Teen Spirit and Heart Shaped Box and that was it. There wasn't very many TRUE fans of the band until after he died. Then he dies, and he's made a martyr for an entire generation, even though without Butch Vig Nevermind wouldn't have been even half the album that it is. Listen to Insecticide dude, that's Kurt left to his own devices and it's an incoherent mess. There isn't any songwriting to speak of on that album, much less good songwriting. Bleach isn't really much better, and In Utero goes right back to the anti-music shit that he liked to write. Producers are an important part of any band, look at Leppard with Mutt Lange, or Metallica with Bob Rock. Bob Rock made Metallica into the superstars they are now, and Lange made both AC/DC and Leppard into superstars, not too mention Shania Twain. Look and see how many writing credits Lange has on Hysteria. Butch Vig had more to do with Nirvana's success than most people like to admit. Kurt did write the stuff, but Butch turned it into a platinum album.


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I like people who like Nirvana but still want to be cool so they say In Utero is their favourite album by them when it really just sucks.


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I'm not trying to change shit. I was there just as much as you were. If anything, people like you are trying to change history by selling people this lie that Kurt Cobain knew how to write songs. Most people knew Smells Like Teen Spirit and Heart Shaped Box and that was it. There wasn't very many TRUE fans of the band until after he died. Then he dies, and he's made a martyr for an entire generation, even though without Butch Vig Nevermind wouldn't have been even half the album that it is. Listen to Insecticide dude, that's Kurt left to his own devices and it's an incoherent mess. There isn't any songwriting to speak of on that album, much less good songwriting. Bleach isn't really much better, and In Utero goes right back to the anti-music shit that he liked to write. Producers are an important part of any band, look at Leppard with Mutt Lange, or Metallica with Bob Rock. Bob Rock made Metallica into the superstars they are now, and Lange made both AC/DC and Leppard into superstars, not too mention Shania Twain. Look and see how many writing credits Lange has on Hysteria. Butch Vig had more to do with Nirvana's success than most people like to admit. Kurt did write the stuff, but Butch turned it into a platinum album.

Only on Bleach was Nirvana "moderately" popular.

I am no sheep, my friend. Kurt Cobain wrote great songs.

Nevermind was not masterminded by Butch Vig, did he write those songs or were they written beforehand?

Smells Like Teen Spirit and Heart-Shaped Box are the only songs people know? That is ridiculous!

1. About A Girl
2. Negative Creep
3. Smells Like Teen Spirit
4. In Bloom
5. Come As You Are
6. Breed
7. Lithium
8. Heart-Shaped Box
9. Rape Me
10. Pennyroyal Tea
11. All Apologies
12. Aneurysm
13. Sliver
14. You Know You're Right
15. The Man Who Sold The World
16. Lake Of Fire
17. Where Did You Sleep Last Night

17 songs, all of them are songs played on the radio all the time, still. You can't make comments on the uneven nature of Incesticide, it's a b-sides album! It doesn't make for a good argument to point out that songs on a b-sides album aren't up to standard considering they're generally leftover tracks that never made it to albums because they were already deemed not up to standard.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, but Nirvana was HUGE! They were HUGE up until the day he died and then even more so. No one's worth should be measured up against what happens when they die, that is when the sheep come to flock, that is when assholes show up to rallies and cry for someone they never knew and didn't give a fuck about. That means nothing.

Did it matter than Cortney Love showed up at a Kurt Cobain vigil looking like a crackwhore, crying and smoking more and hanging with "fans?" Nope. What matters is that Hole's biggest selling album, Live Through This—a great album, indeed—was written by Kurt Cobain. The man could write great songs. Nothingmore. Is Kurt Cobain a legend? No. Nirvana is. They changed the face of music more drastically than any band did since the 70s. Nirvana is a legendary band.

Is Dimebag a legendary guitarist? Absolutely! The man changed the face music with his guitar skills alone! In the 90s not only was Pantera the metal band, but Dimebag was the guitarist! Just like Rhoads and Eddie Van Halen were in the 80's, and even Zakk Wylde after he stepped up after Rhoads' death! These things are set in stone.

Do I like Britney Spears' "music?" No way. But she's good at what she does and is a legend in the pop industry because of it. Always will be. I don't like it, but I cannot deny it. To do so is stupid.


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Do I like Britney Spears' "music?" No way. But she's good at what she does and is a legend in the pop industry because of it. Always will be. I don't like it, but I cannot deny it. To do so is stupid.


Spears a legend?? no fucking way.....
if you want to talk about a female pop legend, Madonna fits the label...
not the wannabe Spears.

I would choose MILLIONS of pop artists over Spears.
but I do agree that Spears is good at what she does, which is selling and showing her body, which I like to call musical prostitution.


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Tell Them Their Pillar Of Faith Is Ascending

Well, the consideration of a musician being legendary is utterly subjective. It is ultimately futile to try to prove or support it. It is only an individual perception.


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YOU WERE THE LIGHT AND THE WAY THEY'LL ONLY READ ABOUT


Tell Them Their Pillar Of Faith Is Ascending

Well, the consideration of a musician being legendary is utterly subjective. It is ultimately futile to try to prove or support it. It is only an individual perception.


You made my point far more succintly.


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