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Dimmu > Cradle, though.


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Somebody said that it was all tweaked effects, it's not his real voice. But my belief was laid assured when I saw a video of him warming up before the Heavy Lefthanded and Candid gig.

Yeah it's his real voice, and that's damn impressive even if you don't like it.


Dani has never denied that he is a King Diamond and Iron Maiden freak. They just took those influences and applied it to extreme Metal. I could never understand why people called them posers? They are fast as fuck, nasty and Filth can write a fucking song. Just jealous I guess. Who gives a fuck if 15 year old goth chicks finger themselves to the band. They play good, REAL Heavy Metal.

lol


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They do. What do they play then? Trust me metalreviews kvlt kiddies I listen to as much or more underground BM then you all do (at least if you go by what I pay cash for and not what you all steal) and I know the difference between that and CoF, but you can't deny that what they play is just good extreme Heavy Metal.


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I've tried several of their albums, new and old, on multiple occasions. I just cannot get into them. At times, I have the same problem with them that I have with Dimmu - that it seems like they're pasting a bunch of ideas together instead of really writing good songs. I like some of Dani's lyrics, I just wish I found the music to be at the same level.

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leee wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Skartasis wrote:
leee wrote:
Zeth wrote:
hellraiser_xes wrote:
Somebody said that it was all tweaked effects, it's not his real voice. But my belief was laid assured when I saw a video of him warming up before the Heavy Lefthanded and Candid gig.

Yeah it's his real voice, and that's damn impressive even if you don't like it.


Dani has never denied that he is a King Diamond and Iron Maiden freak. They just took those influences and applied it to extreme Metal. I could never understand why people called them posers? They are fast as fuck, nasty and Filth can write a fucking song. Just jealous I guess. Who gives a fuck if 15 year old goth chicks finger themselves to the band. They play good, REAL Heavy Metal.

lol


lol x 2


They do. What do they play then? Trust me metalreviews kvlt kiddies I listen to as much or more underground BM then you all do (at least if you go by what I pay cash for and not what you all steal) and I know the difference between that and CoF, but you can't deny that what they play is just good extreme Heavy Metal.


Dude, whatever. I listen to tons of underground bm, yeah and I steal it (I have no other option), but it has nothing to do with this. Calling CoF real heavy metal is stupid. Come on. I think traditional stuff when one says Heavy Metal, and Cof is far away from that, that's why I like them, their music not something you can hear every day.


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Kathaarian wrote:
leee wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Skartasis wrote:
leee wrote:
Zeth wrote:
hellraiser_xes wrote:
Somebody said that it was all tweaked effects, it's not his real voice. But my belief was laid assured when I saw a video of him warming up before the Heavy Lefthanded and Candid gig.

Yeah it's his real voice, and that's damn impressive even if you don't like it.


Dani has never denied that he is a King Diamond and Iron Maiden freak. They just took those influences and applied it to extreme Metal. I could never understand why people called them posers? They are fast as fuck, nasty and Filth can write a fucking song. Just jealous I guess. Who gives a fuck if 15 year old goth chicks finger themselves to the band. They play good, REAL Heavy Metal.

lol


lol x 2


They do. What do they play then? Trust me metalreviews kvlt kiddies I listen to as much or more underground BM then you all do (at least if you go by what I pay cash for and not what you all steal) and I know the difference between that and CoF, but you can't deny that what they play is just good extreme Heavy Metal.


Dude, whatever. I listen to tons of underground bm, yeah and I steal it (I have no other option), but it has nothing to do with this. Calling CoF real heavy metal is stupid. Come on. I think traditional stuff when one says Heavy Metal, and Cof is far away from that, that's why I like them, their music not something you can hear every day.

Calling CoF Heavy Metal is like calling Pig Destroyer jazz.
I can somewhat agree with metal-archives view on genre: Black/Gothic Metal (early), Extreme Gothic Metal (recent).


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I wouldn't call some of their recent stuff extreme. Did you hear that Cliff Richard cover? :shock:

It was pretty good, though. I like their newer stuff better than their older.


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Kathaarian wrote:
leee wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Skartasis wrote:
leee wrote:
Zeth wrote:
hellraiser_xes wrote:
Somebody said that it was all tweaked effects, it's not his real voice. But my belief was laid assured when I saw a video of him warming up before the Heavy Lefthanded and Candid gig.

Yeah it's his real voice, and that's damn impressive even if you don't like it.


Dani has never denied that he is a King Diamond and Iron Maiden freak. They just took those influences and applied it to extreme Metal. I could never understand why people called them posers? They are fast as fuck, nasty and Filth can write a fucking song. Just jealous I guess. Who gives a fuck if 15 year old goth chicks finger themselves to the band. They play good, REAL Heavy Metal.

lol


lol x 2


They do. What do they play then? Trust me metalreviews kvlt kiddies I listen to as much or more underground BM then you all do (at least if you go by what I pay cash for and not what you all steal) and I know the difference between that and CoF, but you can't deny that what they play is just good extreme Heavy Metal.


Dude, whatever. I listen to tons of underground bm, yeah and I steal it (I have no other option), but it has nothing to do with this. Calling CoF real heavy metal is stupid. Come on. I think traditional stuff when one says Heavy Metal, and Cof is far away from that, that's why I like them, their music not something you can hear every day.

I steal no shit :evil:


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Cradle of Filth is real Heavy Metal, their direct influences are Iron Maiden, Sodom and Mercyful Fate, King Diamond. This was topi awhile back on another site, but if Black Metal had taken it influence from MF instead of Bathory, CoF would be the true standard. It isn't, but just something to think about.

How you can't call them real Heavy Metal is beyond me. Extreme Gothic Metal is fine too.


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Gothic metal is sometimes considered a loose genre in the way it sounds due to a lack of a centralised ideology in regards to this aspect. The genres is mainly defined by its composition of the music and its aesthetics, leaving individual bands to provide their own artistic interpretations of what to include and/or leave out. The only prerequisite characteristics of the music are the genres unique use of dual vocalists, keyboards and acoustic guitars.

Gothic metal tends to take influence from the doom metal, black metal, and death metal subgenres of Heavy metal for its composition, heavily synthesizing the styles of their melody and rhythm ideas in its guitar work, often causing the music to be aggressive and fast paced. Acoustic guitars are sometimes present in gothic metal, and in bands that use two guitars, one guitarist is often found playing a form of acoustic guitar. The acoustic guitar is used in the same way as its electronic counterpart, and is normally found playing melodies of equal technicality. The bass guitar in gothic metal is usually played using lower tones akin to doom metal, often combined with the aggressive playing of black and death metal. The bass guitar is often the main contributor to the atmosphere in songs, though has also been seen as performing a duet with the keyboarding in this regard.


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Other gothic metal fusions
Within death metal and black metal this has included the non-defining use of dual vocalists, sub-romantic themes and the writing of concept albums mixed with the traditional sound of the genre. These genre fusions include bands such as Dark Lunacy, Cradle of Filth (later albums), and Eternal Tears of Sorrow.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_metal

Yarr...


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leee wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Skartasis wrote:
leee wrote:
Zeth wrote:
hellraiser_xes wrote:
Somebody said that it was all tweaked effects, it's not his real voice. But my belief was laid assured when I saw a video of him warming up before the Heavy Lefthanded and Candid gig.

Yeah it's his real voice, and that's damn impressive even if you don't like it.


Dani has never denied that he is a King Diamond and Iron Maiden freak. They just took those influences and applied it to extreme Metal. I could never understand why people called them posers? They are fast as fuck, nasty and Filth can write a fucking song. Just jealous I guess. Who gives a fuck if 15 year old goth chicks finger themselves to the band. They play good, REAL Heavy Metal.

lol


lol x 2


They do. What do they play then? Trust me metalreviews kvlt kiddies I listen to as much or more underground BM then you all do (at least if you go by what I pay cash for and not what you all steal) and I know the difference between that and CoF, but you can't deny that what they play is just good extreme Heavy Metal.


Good for you. I support underground black metal, and I'm not the only one here that does.


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
leee wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Skartasis wrote:
leee wrote:
Zeth wrote:
hellraiser_xes wrote:
Somebody said that it was all tweaked effects, it's not his real voice. But my belief was laid assured when I saw a video of him warming up before the Heavy Lefthanded and Candid gig.

Yeah it's his real voice, and that's damn impressive even if you don't like it.


Dani has never denied that he is a King Diamond and Iron Maiden freak. They just took those influences and applied it to extreme Metal. I could never understand why people called them posers? They are fast as fuck, nasty and Filth can write a fucking song. Just jealous I guess. Who gives a fuck if 15 year old goth chicks finger themselves to the band. They play good, REAL Heavy Metal.

lol


lol x 2


They do. What do they play then? Trust me metalreviews kvlt kiddies I listen to as much or more underground BM then you all do (at least if you go by what I pay cash for and not what you all steal) and I know the difference between that and CoF, but you can't deny that what they play is just good extreme Heavy Metal.


Good for you. I support underground black metal, and I'm not the only one here that does.

Nope, just leee. He's a black metal warrior.


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Radical Cut wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
leee wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Skartasis wrote:
leee wrote:
Zeth wrote:
hellraiser_xes wrote:
Somebody said that it was all tweaked effects, it's not his real voice. But my belief was laid assured when I saw a video of him warming up before the Heavy Lefthanded and Candid gig.

Yeah it's his real voice, and that's damn impressive even if you don't like it.


Dani has never denied that he is a King Diamond and Iron Maiden freak. They just took those influences and applied it to extreme Metal. I could never understand why people called them posers? They are fast as fuck, nasty and Filth can write a fucking song. Just jealous I guess. Who gives a fuck if 15 year old goth chicks finger themselves to the band. They play good, REAL Heavy Metal.

lol


lol x 2


They do. What do they play then? Trust me metalreviews kvlt kiddies I listen to as much or more underground BM then you all do (at least if you go by what I pay cash for and not what you all steal) and I know the difference between that and CoF, but you can't deny that what they play is just good extreme Heavy Metal.


Good for you. I support underground black metal, and I'm not the only one here that does.

Nope, just leee. He's a black metal warrior.


The rest of us are just kvlt kiddies.


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
Radical Cut wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
leee wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Skartasis wrote:
leee wrote:
Zeth wrote:
hellraiser_xes wrote:
Somebody said that it was all tweaked effects, it's not his real voice. But my belief was laid assured when I saw a video of him warming up before the Heavy Lefthanded and Candid gig.

Yeah it's his real voice, and that's damn impressive even if you don't like it.


Dani has never denied that he is a King Diamond and Iron Maiden freak. They just took those influences and applied it to extreme Metal. I could never understand why people called them posers? They are fast as fuck, nasty and Filth can write a fucking song. Just jealous I guess. Who gives a fuck if 15 year old goth chicks finger themselves to the band. They play good, REAL Heavy Metal.

lol


lol x 2


They do. What do they play then? Trust me metalreviews kvlt kiddies I listen to as much or more underground BM then you all do (at least if you go by what I pay cash for and not what you all steal) and I know the difference between that and CoF, but you can't deny that what they play is just good extreme Heavy Metal.


Good for you. I support underground black metal, and I'm not the only one here that does.

Nope, just leee. He's a black metal warrior.


The rest of us are just kvlt kiddies.

You'll never understand black metal!

*storms off*


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leee wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Skartasis wrote:
leee wrote:
Zeth wrote:
hellraiser_xes wrote:
Somebody said that it was all tweaked effects, it's not his real voice. But my belief was laid assured when I saw a video of him warming up before the Heavy Lefthanded and Candid gig.

Yeah it's his real voice, and that's damn impressive even if you don't like it.


Dani has never denied that he is a King Diamond and Iron Maiden freak. They just took those influences and applied it to extreme Metal. I could never understand why people called them posers? They are fast as fuck, nasty and Filth can write a fucking song. Just jealous I guess. Who gives a fuck if 15 year old goth chicks finger themselves to the band. They play good, REAL Heavy Metal.

lol


lol x 2


They do. What do they play then? Trust me metalreviews kvlt kiddies I listen to as much or more underground BM then you all do (at least if you go by what I pay cash for and not what you all steal) and I know the difference between that and CoF, but you can't deny that what they play is just good extreme Heavy Metal.


How can you not steal stuff like Velvet Cacoon genius? (besides Genevieve which i am ordering off the net as i type)

And some of us arent 13 year old rich boys posing as 40 year olds, we arent made of money! :oops: :wink:


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Hey, my whole point is that CoF play Heavy Metal and I know the difference between them and real BM. I am not all Kvlt, I just like good stuff.... Going around say CoF don't play HM is just retarded.

My my we are sensitive about stealing music. If you can't afford it then you don't get it. You don't go out and steal a BMW because you can't afford it right? When I was kid 1 or 2 albums every couple of weeks was good send and I loved them. I still only buy maybe 6 to 10 a month depending on what mood I am in. I can understand the Turkey situation though, or maybe some guy in Vietnam or places like that where I know it is impossible to get stuff. I do order from the end and other places and get it shipped overseas to me though.

That is why everyone gets so jaded and shit on music or likes everything. If you saved up and bought 9 or 10 albums you really really wanted to a month insteald of downloading 5000 you would prob appreciate the music more or it least judge it harsher if your cash was behind it. Believe it or not you don't have to hear everything that comes out just so you can spout of on the internet about it.


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Hey, my whole point is that CoF play Heavy Metal and I know the difference between them and real BM. I am not all Kvlt, I just like good stuff.... Going around say CoF don't play HM is just retarded.

My my we are sensitive about stealing music. If you can't afford it then you don't get it. You don't go out and steal a BMW because you can't afford it right? When I was kid 1 or 2 albums every couple of weeks was good send and I loved them. I still only buy maybe 6 to 10 a month depending on what mood I am in. I can understand the Turkey situation though, or maybe some guy in Vietnam or places like that where I know it is impossible to get stuff. I do order from the end and other places and get it shipped overseas to me though.

That is why everyone gets so jaded and shit on music or likes everything. If you saved up and bought 9 or 10 albums you really really wanted to a month insteald of downloading 5000 you would prob appreciate the music more or it least judge it harsher if your cash was behind it. Believe it or not you don't have to hear everything that comes out just so you can spout of on the internet about it.


However some bands are so rare you CANNOT feasibly buy their albums. For example the already mentioned Velvet Cacoon, whose only distributed album is Genevieve. Therefore, the only way i can listen to Velvet Cacoon is to download it.


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following the reaper wrote:
leee wrote:
Hey, my whole point is that CoF play Heavy Metal and I know the difference between them and real BM. I am not all Kvlt, I just like good stuff.... Going around say CoF don't play HM is just retarded.

My my we are sensitive about stealing music. If you can't afford it then you don't get it. You don't go out and steal a BMW because you can't afford it right? When I was kid 1 or 2 albums every couple of weeks was good send and I loved them. I still only buy maybe 6 to 10 a month depending on what mood I am in. I can understand the Turkey situation though, or maybe some guy in Vietnam or places like that where I know it is impossible to get stuff. I do order from the end and other places and get it shipped overseas to me though.

That is why everyone gets so jaded and shit on music or likes everything. If you saved up and bought 9 or 10 albums you really really wanted to a month insteald of downloading 5000 you would prob appreciate the music more or it least judge it harsher if your cash was behind it. Believe it or not you don't have to hear everything that comes out just so you can spout of on the internet about it.


However some bands are so rare you CANNOT feasibly buy their albums. For example the already mentioned Velvet Cacoon, whose only distributed album is Genevieve. Therefore, the only way i can listen to Velvet Cacoon is to download it.


Well... I really want to hear more Moonblood as well, but as you know, it's impossible to find their recordings at reasonable prices, so I will just listen to the two tapes I have from them. It would be simpler to download their stufffrom the web but that would be totally gay.


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The point is not that they play true black metal or whateverthefuck, the point is that they fucking suck and it seems that the vocalist has a trunk stucked up his ass.


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Skartasis wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
leee wrote:
Hey, my whole point is that CoF play Heavy Metal and I know the difference between them and real BM. I am not all Kvlt, I just like good stuff.... Going around say CoF don't play HM is just retarded.

My my we are sensitive about stealing music. If you can't afford it then you don't get it. You don't go out and steal a BMW because you can't afford it right? When I was kid 1 or 2 albums every couple of weeks was good send and I loved them. I still only buy maybe 6 to 10 a month depending on what mood I am in. I can understand the Turkey situation though, or maybe some guy in Vietnam or places like that where I know it is impossible to get stuff. I do order from the end and other places and get it shipped overseas to me though.

That is why everyone gets so jaded and shit on music or likes everything. If you saved up and bought 9 or 10 albums you really really wanted to a month insteald of downloading 5000 you would prob appreciate the music more or it least judge it harsher if your cash was behind it. Believe it or not you don't have to hear everything that comes out just so you can spout of on the internet about it.


However some bands are so rare you CANNOT feasibly buy their albums. For example the already mentioned Velvet Cacoon, whose only distributed album is Genevieve. Therefore, the only way i can listen to Velvet Cacoon is to download it.


Well... I really want to hear more Moonblood as well, but as you know, it's impossible to find their recordings at reasonable prices, so I will just listen to the two tapes I have from them. It would be simpler to download their stufffrom the web but that would be totally gay.


But Velvet Cacoon releases are limited to like the ten copies they make for their friends. How the hell can i get them?

Although Leee is right about valuing music, that is why i have stopped downloading for a while, (also cos i have a job and can buy albums!)

And Skartasis, i bow to your honourable behaviour, in never downloading. (And im serious)


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following the reaper wrote:
Skartasis wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
leee wrote:
Hey, my whole point is that CoF play Heavy Metal and I know the difference between them and real BM. I am not all Kvlt, I just like good stuff.... Going around say CoF don't play HM is just retarded.

My my we are sensitive about stealing music. If you can't afford it then you don't get it. You don't go out and steal a BMW because you can't afford it right? When I was kid 1 or 2 albums every couple of weeks was good send and I loved them. I still only buy maybe 6 to 10 a month depending on what mood I am in. I can understand the Turkey situation though, or maybe some guy in Vietnam or places like that where I know it is impossible to get stuff. I do order from the end and other places and get it shipped overseas to me though.

That is why everyone gets so jaded and shit on music or likes everything. If you saved up and bought 9 or 10 albums you really really wanted to a month insteald of downloading 5000 you would prob appreciate the music more or it least judge it harsher if your cash was behind it. Believe it or not you don't have to hear everything that comes out just so you can spout of on the internet about it.


However some bands are so rare you CANNOT feasibly buy their albums. For example the already mentioned Velvet Cacoon, whose only distributed album is Genevieve. Therefore, the only way i can listen to Velvet Cacoon is to download it.


Well... I really want to hear more Moonblood as well, but as you know, it's impossible to find their recordings at reasonable prices, so I will just listen to the two tapes I have from them. It would be simpler to download their stufffrom the web but that would be totally gay.


But Velvet Cacoon releases are limited to like the ten copies they make for their friends. How the hell can i get them?

Although Leee is right about valuing music, that is why i have stopped downloading for a while, (also cos i have a job and can buy albums!)

And Skartasis, i bow to your honourable behaviour, in never downloading. (And im serious)


Fuckin' right. Respect morals whilst you can still find them.


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