Dragonforce Are Gay!

Eyesore · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:11 am

leee wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Dude, age has nothing to do with this. Cut the shit. This is not just like the 80's! Back in the 80's a band could release multiple albums on the same label, now they're lucky to still be signed 6 months after the album is released! And it still could have sold a million copies.

It is not like the 80's at all. Sure, in the 80's labels signed a bunch of similar bands to make a buck, but like I mentioned earlier, there was a measure of care when it came to the actual bands and their music that doesn't exist today.

Spoken like someone who didn't get into Metal until the late 90's and the internet age. Which is cool, but shit never changes, everyone whined back then about the same shit, just not on message boards. Measure of care? Nah, there was the same stuff, just not all was easy to get with a click of the mouse.

Well, you'd be wrong. Shocker. :roll:

The point is that back in the 80's, and even the 90's to an extent, a band didn't need to be HUGE right out the gate! Shall I make the real estate comparison again? That says it all, and that is fact. It has changed and I've been around long enough to know, bud. You may be older than me, but I at least know as much as you. Things have change dramatically.

Reverend Clayton · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:36 am

I saw the dragonforce video at the gold's gym tonight as I was exercising. It was weird...and I was mad for about a second. Then I realized...people want to hear power metal. It was awsome to see those guys rocking it out in the video while I listened to them on my ipod and lifted. Power Metal is coming...the world is about to rock.

hellraiser_xes · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:55 am

FrigidSymphony wrote:

shit. ah well, I guess as long as they don't start playing Sonata Arctica songs...

What's so wrong with Sonata Arctica?

otakon · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:52 am

hellraiser_xes wrote:

What's so wrong with Sonata Arctica?

In my opinion, generic pop music, like Dragonforce :wink:

Dragonforce being commercial now is no suprise at all... they've always played generic flower metal with good musicianship that is appealing to non metalheads

Scion · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:59 am

If DF and Power Metal gets some success, maybe it'a good. Maybe not.

I'll just wait for the day they start playing Jag Panzer or Nevermore. Then I'll be happy.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:15 am

hellraiser_xes wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

shit. ah well, I guess as long as they don't start playing Sonata Arctica songs...

What's so wrong with Sonata Arctica?

Nothing, but I don't want little teenyboppers saying how cool SA are when they don't know fuck about the music.
and I would hate having to say "I liked them right up until Reckoning Night, then they sold out."

leee · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:48 pm

Eyesore wrote:

leee wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Dude, age has nothing to do with this. Cut the shit. This is not just like the 80's! Back in the 80's a band could release multiple albums on the same label, now they're lucky to still be signed 6 months after the album is released! And it still could have sold a million copies.

It is not like the 80's at all. Sure, in the 80's labels signed a bunch of similar bands to make a buck, but like I mentioned earlier, there was a measure of care when it came to the actual bands and their music that doesn't exist today.

Spoken like someone who didn't get into Metal until the late 90's and the internet age. Which is cool, but shit never changes, everyone whined back then about the same shit, just not on message boards. Measure of care? Nah, there was the same stuff, just not all was easy to get with a click of the mouse.

Well, you'd be wrong. Shocker. :roll:

The point is that back in the 80's, and even the 90's to an extent, a band didn't need to be HUGE right out the gate! Shall I make the real estate comparison again? That says it all, and that is fact. It has changed and I've been around long enough to know, bud. You may be older than me, but I at least know as much as you. Things have change dramatically.

Yeah right, for every band that toured their ass off like Priest, Maiden, Rainbow, Metallica and others there was one that made it on the back of MTV. This shit like DF, 3 inches of Blood and tons of Metalcore is just the Hair Metal of today. And then in the 80's, just like now, there were always those great bands that just always stayed under the radar. It never fucking changes man. You just don't know what you are talking about no matter what you "read".

Emperor, Opeth, Soilwork, In Flames, even fucking CoB they all toured their asses of and shit, back in 96 they were fucking unknows. Drafonforce has 3 fucking albums out already.

You what else never changes? Metal heads whining about this exact shit....

leee · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:49 pm

otakon wrote:

hellraiser_xes wrote:

What's so wrong with Sonata Arctica?

In my opinion, generic pop music, like Dragonforce :wink:

Dragonforce being commercial now is no suprise at all... they've always played generic flower metal with good musicianship that is appealing to non metalheads

Yeah SA is what they are but they play it with emotion and are great song writers. I am not a flower metal lover for the most part but Sonata Arctica kicks ass and Kakko is a fucking great vocalist.

leee · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:53 pm

Eternal Idol wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

leee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

As Ken said, the risk with metal become mainstream is that it might degenerate because mainstream audiences don't care about the music quality, just about being 'in'. There should be something like MMTV (Metal MTV) that makes it a point to play good metal to appeal to a wider metal fanbase. Sadly, I only see dark times if metal is to be commercialized. However, we could all start listening to classical music and worshiping Glenn Gould, saying how great his Goldberg Variations are...

Dude, it is just the 80's all over again. you are like what? 16? Just your turn and this Dragonforce stuff is just like WASP in the 80's cool band, same with TS. There will be tons of crap (Hell all the old school thrash freak like Holy Terror forget that almost all 80's thrash was major label and the rest nobody heard of until the advent of the internet). The best HM will float to the top.

Shit, Priest, fucking Iron Maiden, they are all commercial as fuck and sold a ton of albums, nobody shits on them. The bullshit and trends will pass in a few years like it always does and only the true will be left. Don't freak, it isn't the end of an era or anything... It just means us NA's will get to see some good Euro Power Metal live.

Dude, age has nothing to do with this. Cut the shit. This is not just like the 80's! Back in the 80's a band could release multiple albums on the same label, now they're lucky to still be signed 6 months after the album is released! And it still could have sold a million copies.

It is not like the 80's at all. Sure, in the 80's labels signed a bunch of similar bands to make a buck, but like I mentioned earlier, there was a measure of care when it came to the actual bands and their music that doesn't exist today.

In the 80s (correct me if I'm wrong), I believe the quality of music was of higher importance than it is now. That makes now NOT the eightes, because no one cares how bad the music is as long as it's accessable and hip.

Eh, there was a LOT of really bad Glam Metal bands that were obviously put together by labels(I'm looking at you Keel!). The music industry is going to saturate the market, no matter what the time period is.

Ha ha, I like Keel, I made out to the Right to Rock at my prom........fuck I am old. I didn't even mind early Night Ranger that much (Dawn Patrol is a great hard rock album) and I fucking love the 1st two Tesla albums. I think between my Junior and Sr year I got a lot more into thrash and Metal Blade stuff. I was a huge Warlord and Cirith Ungol fan though from the 9th on. Accept and Warlock etc...

There was lots of 3rd rate trash and NWOBHM too that gets accolades today cos it is hip to like old shit.

Goat · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:27 pm

What's wrong with kids liking good music? You elitist fucks are spoilt.

Fingon · **Joined:** Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:11 pm **Posts:** 3207

Zad wrote:

What's wrong with kids liking good music? You elitist fucks are spoilt.

i couldn't agree more. Isn't it sad to start go apeshit about a band because it gets media attention? Sure, it can lead to bad albums in the future but for fucks sake, so what?! No band can only release good albums, and it's going to happen some day, whether not by MTV and popularity with kids.

Stay l337! :roll:

Carnifex Umbris · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:58 pm

Everyone who's part of a subculture gets indignant if the mainstream picks up on it. What's the fun of being different if everyone starts doing it?
I also don't think DragonForce will change their music to sell more records. Isn't this what everyone said when Opeth signed to Roadrunner? The worst that's come out of that is a re-release of "Ghost Reveries" scheduled for 2007 (for some ungodly reason) and a really terrible video. Nothing about their music changed, and I don't forsee DragonForce's next record being full of 'core-style breakdowns.

otakon · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:32 pm

Carnifex Umbris wrote:

Everyone who's part of a subculture gets indignant if the mainstream picks up on it. What's the fun of being different if everyone starts doing it?
I also don't think DragonForce will change their music to sell more records. Isn't this what everyone said when Opeth signed to Roadrunner? The worst that's come out of that is a re-release of "Ghost Reveries" scheduled for 2007 (for some ungodly reason) and a really terrible video. Nothing about their music changed, and I don't forsee DragonForce's next record being full of 'core-style breakdowns.

You dont understand... you guys think it's all just a big popularity contest but it's not.

At least for me, i never liked Dragonforce, and Opeth got boring to me after a few months when i first discovered them. Would Dragonforce need to play metalcore ? IMO they dont need it because their sound has always been commercial mainstream friendly from the start, metal for non metalheads simply put it. It's only a matter of time before America catches flower metal as the latest trend. If you guys like the music that's fine with me, but i dont and its not because it's popular.

leee wrote:

Yeah SA is what they are but they play it with emotion and are great song writers. I am not a flower metal lover for the most part but Sonata Arctica kicks ass and Kakko is a fucking great vocalist.

That's fine man, its just not my thing. Though i dont fully agree with your saying that people are championing 3rd rate thrash/NWOBHM just because it's 'old school' . I like thrash and NWOBHM enough that i'm willing to buy and check out more and more thrash/NWOBHM, every band worth checking out doesnt have to be a 5/5 classic anyway, in this case we all dont need to listen to anything else past the classics. What's 2nd rate or 3rd rate is all a matter of opinion anyway. Many people even your age have told me that Cirith Ungol is 3rd rate because the vocalist sucks, it doesnt have dual lead guitar, crappy production and other nonsense.

Sure there are people who quickly jump the old school bandwagon just like people jumping into the kvlt grim forest bedroom Norse influenced metal trend nowadays. Then there's also even more who make it all look even worse with their opinions formulated 5 hours after downloading from Kerrazy Torrents or Soulseek. Die hard metalheads whereever it is will always be a minority :(

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:38 pm

Carnifex Umbris wrote:

What's the fun of being different if everyone starts doing it?

exactly!

I don't really mind kids liking good music that much, but they'll probably like it for the wrong reason, but my main worry is that the music will deteriorate to the level of the audience if a band like SA becomes mainstream.

Carnifex Umbris · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:27 pm

otakon wrote:

Carnifex Umbris wrote:

Everyone who's part of a subculture gets indignant if the mainstream picks up on it. What's the fun of being different if everyone starts doing it?
I also don't think DragonForce will change their music to sell more records. Isn't this what everyone said when Opeth signed to Roadrunner? The worst that's come out of that is a re-release of "Ghost Reveries" scheduled for 2007 (for some ungodly reason) and a really terrible video. Nothing about their music changed, and I don't forsee DragonForce's next record being full of 'core-style breakdowns.

You dont understand... you guys think it's all just a big popularity contest but it's not.

At least for me, i never liked Dragonforce, and Opeth got boring to me after a few months when i first discovered them. Would Dragonforce need to play metalcore ? IMO they dont need it because their sound has always been commercial mainstream friendly from the start, metal for non metalheads simply put it. It's only a matter of time before America catches flower metal as the latest trend. If you guys like the music that's fine with me, but i dont and its not because it's popular.

Not to sound snippy, but if you don't like it, why do you care whether or not it's popular?

otakon · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:46 pm

Carnifex Umbris wrote:

Not to sound snippy, but if you don't like it, why do you care whether or not it's popular?

Do i care? Course not :wink:

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:35 pm

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Carnifex Umbris wrote:

What's the fun of being different if everyone starts doing it?

exactly!

I don't really mind kids liking good music that much, but they'll probably like it for the wrong reason, but my main worry is that the music will deteriorate to the level of the audience if a band like SA becomes mainstream.

If the band has any integrity, they won't change. If they do change, they obviously don't have any integrity, and you shouldn't support them anyways.

leee · **Posted:** Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:13 am

otakon wrote:

Carnifex Umbris wrote:

Everyone who's part of a subculture gets indignant if the mainstream picks up on it. What's the fun of being different if everyone starts doing it?
I also don't think DragonForce will change their music to sell more records. Isn't this what everyone said when Opeth signed to Roadrunner? The worst that's come out of that is a re-release of "Ghost Reveries" scheduled for 2007 (for some ungodly reason) and a really terrible video. Nothing about their music changed, and I don't forsee DragonForce's next record being full of 'core-style breakdowns.

You dont understand... you guys think it's all just a big popularity contest but it's not.

At least for me, i never liked Dragonforce, and Opeth got boring to me after a few months when i first discovered them. Would Dragonforce need to play metalcore ? IMO they dont need it because their sound has always been commercial mainstream friendly from the start, metal for non metalheads simply put it. It's only a matter of time before America catches flower metal as the latest trend. If you guys like the music that's fine with me, but i dont and its not because it's popular.

leee wrote:

Yeah SA is what they are but they play it with emotion and are great song writers. I am not a flower metal lover for the most part but Sonata Arctica kicks ass and Kakko is a fucking great vocalist.

That's fine man, its just not my thing. Though i dont fully agree with your saying that people are championing 3rd rate thrash/NWOBHM just because it's 'old school' . I like thrash and NWOBHM enough that i'm willing to buy and check out more and more thrash/NWOBHM, every band worth checking out doesnt have to be a 5/5 classic anyway, in this case we all dont need to listen to anything else past the classics. What's 2nd rate or 3rd rate is all a matter of opinion anyway. Many people even your age have told me that Cirith Ungol is 3rd rate because the vocalist sucks, it doesnt have dual lead guitar, crappy production and other nonsense.

Sure there are people who quickly jump the old school bandwagon just like people jumping into the kvlt grim forest bedroom Norse influenced metal trend nowadays. Then there's also even more who make it all look even worse with their opinions formulated 5 hours after downloading from Kerrazy Torrents or Soulseek. Die hard metalheads whereever it is will always be a minority :(

Thrash I will readily admit I don't give a shit about so don't devle to deep into it, but when I start hearing praise for bands Like FIST and some others from the NWOBHM I know people are just digging it because it is cool and old. Nothing wrong with FIST per se, just a lot of that shit is really run of the mill once you get past the first 10 really great bands.

Yeah, I hate all the downloaders with a passion that suddenly are all metal experts because they can drink jolt and down load shit for 20 hours straight.

My line on that is, if you didn't spend your hard earned money on the music your opinion doesn't count. It is always easy to dig free shit.

My whole thing with Dragonforce, is why is such a boring, wank band suddenly popular and the epitome of Power Metal? I don't fucking get that at all........

I think a more apt term for that stuff is Power Metal for people that don't like Power Metal, like 3 inches of Blood.

Eyesore · **Posted:** Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:05 am

FrigidSymphony wrote:

hellraiser_xes wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

shit. ah well, I guess as long as they don't start playing Sonata Arctica songs...

What's so wrong with Sonata Arctica?

Nothing, but I don't want little teenyboppers saying how cool SA are when they don't know fuck about the music.
and I would hate having to say "I liked them right up until Reckoning Night, then they sold out."

To me, that is far worse than those ignorant turds that know nothing about music. I'm not saying you're like this, but I have friends like that and it baffles me! A band gaining in popularity isn't always indicative of selling out, just because 12 year old kids love it means nothing. When you did you start digging music? I started when I was 12 fucking years old. That's how it goes.

If you don't want to hear your band on the radio, don't listen. If you don't want to see those kids in your band's shirt, don't look. It's easy. Regardless of what anyone says, those kids you hate, you were once that kid. We all were. Denying it is retarded.

Eyesore · **Posted:** Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:07 am

leee wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

leee wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Dude, age has nothing to do with this. Cut the shit. This is not just like the 80's! Back in the 80's a band could release multiple albums on the same label, now they're lucky to still be signed 6 months after the album is released! And it still could have sold a million copies.

It is not like the 80's at all. Sure, in the 80's labels signed a bunch of similar bands to make a buck, but like I mentioned earlier, there was a measure of care when it came to the actual bands and their music that doesn't exist today.

Spoken like someone who didn't get into Metal until the late 90's and the internet age. Which is cool, but shit never changes, everyone whined back then about the same shit, just not on message boards. Measure of care? Nah, there was the same stuff, just not all was easy to get with a click of the mouse.

Well, you'd be wrong. Shocker. :roll:

The point is that back in the 80's, and even the 90's to an extent, a band didn't need to be HUGE right out the gate! Shall I make the real estate comparison again? That says it all, and that is fact. It has changed and I've been around long enough to know, bud. You may be older than me, but I at least know as much as you. Things have change dramatically.

Yeah right, for every band that toured their ass off like Priest, Maiden, Rainbow, Metallica and others there was one that made it on the back of MTV. This shit like DF, 3 inches of Blood and tons of Metalcore is just the Hair Metal of today. And then in the 80's, just like now, there were always those great bands that just always stayed under the radar. It never fucking changes man. You just don't know what you are talking about no matter what you "read".

Emperor, Opeth, Soilwork, In Flames, even fucking CoB they all toured their asses of and shit, back in 96 they were fucking unknows. Drafonforce has 3 fucking albums out already.

You what else never changes? Metal heads whining about this exact shit....

Coming from one of the biggest whiners on the board! Hahahaha. :roll:

Dude, the industry today is nothing like it was back in the 80's. No fucking way. I know what the fuck I am talking about, by the way.

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