Venetian Snares

Misha · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 8:06 am

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

noodles wrote:

Misha wrote:

Glad y'all like it. Quite funny for metalheads to like techno, good you're open minded people.

I think theres some bands that, even if it is part of another genre, has a lot of the stuff that metalheads look for in their music in it as well.

I think it's just a matter of what you're used to, and getting into another genre requires some effort. It's just a coincidence that most people here are into metal, they could have just as well be into *insert genre here*. What is a certainty is that they would have been into an non-mainstream genre either way, but which that would be is just a matter of influences from outside (your brother, a friend, a magazine, etc.). Being close-minded means that you stick to what you once chose or grew into, open-mindedness implies that are not afraid of other genres or getting into them. Selling out is starting to listen to Franz Ferdianand, Kathy ;)

imo, it's not openmindedness you describe here. it openminded elitism which is quite different... I'm open-minded and sometimes an elitist but I like easier musics too... Does that make me a sell-out ? I don't think so...

NP
Red Hot Chili Peppers "Stadium Arcadium" (sell-out music?)

That was just for Kathy, note the wink ;)

Stefan · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 8:08 am

Misha wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

noodles wrote:

Misha wrote:

Glad y'all like it. Quite funny for metalheads to like techno, good you're open minded people.

I think theres some bands that, even if it is part of another genre, has a lot of the stuff that metalheads look for in their music in it as well.

I think it's just a matter of what you're used to, and getting into another genre requires some effort. It's just a coincidence that most people here are into metal, they could have just as well be into *insert genre here*. What is a certainty is that they would have been into an non-mainstream genre either way, but which that would be is just a matter of influences from outside (your brother, a friend, a magazine, etc.). Being close-minded means that you stick to what you once chose or grew into, open-mindedness implies that are not afraid of other genres or getting into them. Selling out is starting to listen to Franz Ferdianand, Kathy ;)

imo, it's not openmindedness you describe here. it openminded elitism which is quite different... I'm open-minded and sometimes an elitist but I like easier musics too... Does that make me a sell-out ? I don't think so...

NP
Red Hot Chili Peppers "Stadium Arcadium" (sell-out music?)

That was just for Kathy, note the wink ;)

well, if that was for Kathy....

dOOd ! there's so much more than BM in life

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 5:27 pm

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

noodles wrote:

Misha wrote:

Glad y'all like it. Quite funny for metalheads to like techno, good you're open minded people.

I think theres some bands that, even if it is part of another genre, has a lot of the stuff that metalheads look for in their music in it as well.

I think it's just a matter of what you're used to, and getting into another genre requires some effort. It's just a coincidence that most people here are into metal, they could have just as well be into *insert genre here*. What is a certainty is that they would have been into an non-mainstream genre either way, but which that would be is just a matter of influences from outside (your brother, a friend, a magazine, etc.). Being close-minded means that you stick to what you once chose or grew into, open-mindedness implies that are not afraid of other genres or getting into them. Selling out is starting to listen to Franz Ferdianand, Kathy ;)

imo, it's not openmindedness you describe here. it openminded elitism which is quite different... I'm open-minded and sometimes an elitist but I like easier musics too... Does that make me a sell-out ? I don't think so...

NP
Red Hot Chili Peppers "Stadium Arcadium" (sell-out music?)

That was just for Kathy, note the wink ;)

well, if that was for Kathy....

dOOd ! there's so much more than BM in life

No shit, like what?

I don't know how you guys get the impression that I only listen to black metal, hasn't anyone looked at my lastfm? There's even King Crimson there for fucks sake!

but techno on the other hand is clubber music and clubber=sellout

Stefan · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 10:49 pm

Kathaarian wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

noodles wrote:

Misha wrote:

Glad y'all like it. Quite funny for metalheads to like techno, good you're open minded people.

I think theres some bands that, even if it is part of another genre, has a lot of the stuff that metalheads look for in their music in it as well.

I think it's just a matter of what you're used to, and getting into another genre requires some effort. It's just a coincidence that most people here are into metal, they could have just as well be into *insert genre here*. What is a certainty is that they would have been into an non-mainstream genre either way, but which that would be is just a matter of influences from outside (your brother, a friend, a magazine, etc.). Being close-minded means that you stick to what you once chose or grew into, open-mindedness implies that are not afraid of other genres or getting into them. Selling out is starting to listen to Franz Ferdianand, Kathy ;)

imo, it's not openmindedness you describe here. it openminded elitism which is quite different... I'm open-minded and sometimes an elitist but I like easier musics too... Does that make me a sell-out ? I don't think so...

NP
Red Hot Chili Peppers "Stadium Arcadium" (sell-out music?)

That was just for Kathy, note the wink ;)

well, if that was for Kathy....

dOOd ! there's so much more than BM in life

No shit, like what?

I don't know how you guys get the impression that I only listen to black metal, hasn't anyone looked at my lastfm? There's even King Crimson there for fucks sake!

but techno on the other hand is clubber music and clubber=sellout

only he bad techno is clubber's music... there is so much more than just shakin' your booty in the beautiful world of electronica ! 8)

NP
With Honour "This is our Revenge" (haaaaaaardcore !)

Open Mind · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 5:05 am

Kathaarian wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

noodles wrote:

Misha wrote:

Glad y'all like it. Quite funny for metalheads to like techno, good you're open minded people.

I think theres some bands that, even if it is part of another genre, has a lot of the stuff that metalheads look for in their music in it as well.

I think it's just a matter of what you're used to, and getting into another genre requires some effort. It's just a coincidence that most people here are into metal, they could have just as well be into *insert genre here*. What is a certainty is that they would have been into an non-mainstream genre either way, but which that would be is just a matter of influences from outside (your brother, a friend, a magazine, etc.). Being close-minded means that you stick to what you once chose or grew into, open-mindedness implies that are not afraid of other genres or getting into them. Selling out is starting to listen to Franz Ferdianand, Kathy ;)

imo, it's not openmindedness you describe here. it openminded elitism which is quite different... I'm open-minded and sometimes an elitist but I like easier musics too... Does that make me a sell-out ? I don't think so...

NP
Red Hot Chili Peppers "Stadium Arcadium" (sell-out music?)

That was just for Kathy, note the wink ;)

well, if that was for Kathy....

dOOd ! there's so much more than BM in life

No shit, like what?

I don't know how you guys get the impression that I only listen to black metal, hasn't anyone looked at my lastfm? There's even King Crimson there for fucks sake!

but techno on the other hand is clubber music and clubber=sellout

The first step to open-mindedness is to cancel the word "sellout" from your vocabulary. Roughly "sellout" means that a band doesn't play what they like but what the masses may like, right? So what? As long as I like it, I care shit about how fucked up other listeners of the same music are. This sellout clamour reminds me of crying babies: "Muuummyy .. this bad, bad band plays music that is liked by assholes, now I can't listen to them anymore, rähbäääähh!!" Remember, no one can tell you if music is good or not, except for your sense of hearing.

Back to topic: Venetian Snares seriously skins ass! He really made it .. and did not sellout

Stefan · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 5:11 am

Open Mind wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

noodles wrote:

Misha wrote:

Glad y'all like it. Quite funny for metalheads to like techno, good you're open minded people.

I think theres some bands that, even if it is part of another genre, has a lot of the stuff that metalheads look for in their music in it as well.

I think it's just a matter of what you're used to, and getting into another genre requires some effort. It's just a coincidence that most people here are into metal, they could have just as well be into *insert genre here*. What is a certainty is that they would have been into an non-mainstream genre either way, but which that would be is just a matter of influences from outside (your brother, a friend, a magazine, etc.). Being close-minded means that you stick to what you once chose or grew into, open-mindedness implies that are not afraid of other genres or getting into them. Selling out is starting to listen to Franz Ferdianand, Kathy ;)

imo, it's not openmindedness you describe here. it openminded elitism which is quite different... I'm open-minded and sometimes an elitist but I like easier musics too... Does that make me a sell-out ? I don't think so...

NP
Red Hot Chili Peppers "Stadium Arcadium" (sell-out music?)

That was just for Kathy, note the wink ;)

well, if that was for Kathy....

dOOd ! there's so much more than BM in life

No shit, like what?

I don't know how you guys get the impression that I only listen to black metal, hasn't anyone looked at my lastfm? There's even King Crimson there for fucks sake!

but techno on the other hand is clubber music and clubber=sellout

The first step to open-mindedness is to cancel the word sell-out from your vocabulary. Roughly "sellout" means that a band doesn't play what they like but what the masses may like, right? So What? As long as I like it, I care shit about how fucked up other listeners of the same music are. This sellout clamour reminds me of crying babies: "Muuummy .. this bad bad band plays music that is pleasing assholes, now I can't listen to them anymore, rähbäääähh!!" Remember, no one can tell you if music is good or not, except for your sense of hearing.

Back to topic: Venetian Snares seriously skins ass! He really made it .. and did not sellout

we old men know better than that, don't we Jochen ? :wink:

indeed, sellout doesn't mean shit to me... but you've got to admit some music is made only for commercial purpose (girls and boys bands, some house & dance music, most modern r'n'b) and 99,99% of it sucks... is it selling out ? imo, it's just NOT music...

as far as I'm concerned, I'll only label music what has been crafted by individuals actually caring about the stuff they're releasing...

and I still like 2 Britney Spears songs :oops:

and, on topic, Venetian Snares past works never really convinced me but, this one, oh mama!, is sweeeeeeeeeeet 8)

North From Here · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 6:51 am

Open Mind wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

noodles wrote:

Misha wrote:

Glad y'all like it. Quite funny for metalheads to like techno, good you're open minded people.

I think theres some bands that, even if it is part of another genre, has a lot of the stuff that metalheads look for in their music in it as well.

I think it's just a matter of what you're used to, and getting into another genre requires some effort. It's just a coincidence that most people here are into metal, they could have just as well be into *insert genre here*. What is a certainty is that they would have been into an non-mainstream genre either way, but which that would be is just a matter of influences from outside (your brother, a friend, a magazine, etc.). Being close-minded means that you stick to what you once chose or grew into, open-mindedness implies that are not afraid of other genres or getting into them. Selling out is starting to listen to Franz Ferdianand, Kathy ;)

imo, it's not openmindedness you describe here. it openminded elitism which is quite different... I'm open-minded and sometimes an elitist but I like easier musics too... Does that make me a sell-out ? I don't think so...

NP
Red Hot Chili Peppers "Stadium Arcadium" (sell-out music?)

That was just for Kathy, note the wink ;)

well, if that was for Kathy....

dOOd ! there's so much more than BM in life

No shit, like what?

I don't know how you guys get the impression that I only listen to black metal, hasn't anyone looked at my lastfm? There's even King Crimson there for fucks sake!

but techno on the other hand is clubber music and clubber=sellout

The first step to open-mindedness is to cancel the word "sellout" from your vocabulary. Roughly "sellout" means that a band doesn't play what they like but what the masses may like, right? So what? As long as I like it, I care shit about how fucked up other listeners of the same music are. This sellout clamour reminds me of crying babies: "Muuummyy .. this bad, bad band plays music that is liked by assholes, now I can't listen to them anymore, rähbäääähh!!" Remember, no one can tell you if music is good or not, except for your sense of hearing.

Back to topic: Venetian Snares seriously skins ass! He really made it .. and did not sellout

Open Mind's path to open-mindedness, how cute. :roll:

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 6:56 am

Stefan wrote:

Open Mind wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

noodles wrote:

Misha wrote:

Glad y'all like it. Quite funny for metalheads to like techno, good you're open minded people.

I think theres some bands that, even if it is part of another genre, has a lot of the stuff that metalheads look for in their music in it as well.

I think it's just a matter of what you're used to, and getting into another genre requires some effort. It's just a coincidence that most people here are into metal, they could have just as well be into *insert genre here*. What is a certainty is that they would have been into an non-mainstream genre either way, but which that would be is just a matter of influences from outside (your brother, a friend, a magazine, etc.). Being close-minded means that you stick to what you once chose or grew into, open-mindedness implies that are not afraid of other genres or getting into them. Selling out is starting to listen to Franz Ferdianand, Kathy ;)

imo, it's not openmindedness you describe here. it openminded elitism which is quite different... I'm open-minded and sometimes an elitist but I like easier musics too... Does that make me a sell-out ? I don't think so...

NP
Red Hot Chili Peppers "Stadium Arcadium" (sell-out music?)

That was just for Kathy, note the wink ;)

well, if that was for Kathy....

dOOd ! there's so much more than BM in life

No shit, like what?

I don't know how you guys get the impression that I only listen to black metal, hasn't anyone looked at my lastfm? There's even King Crimson there for fucks sake!

but techno on the other hand is clubber music and clubber=sellout

The first step to open-mindedness is to cancel the word sell-out from your vocabulary. Roughly "sellout" means that a band doesn't play what they like but what the masses may like, right? So What? As long as I like it, I care shit about how fucked up other listeners of the same music are. This sellout clamour reminds me of crying babies: "Muuummy .. this bad bad band plays music that is pleasing assholes, now I can't listen to them anymore, rähbäääähh!!" Remember, no one can tell you if music is good or not, except for your sense of hearing.

Back to topic: Venetian Snares seriously skins ass! He really made it .. and did not sellout

we old men know better than that, don't we Jochen ? :wink:

indeed, sellout doesn't mean shit to me... but you've got to admit some music is made only for commercial purpose (girls and boys bands, some house & dance music, most modern r'n'b) and 99,99% of it sucks... is it selling out ? imo, it's just NOT music...

as far as I'm concerned, I'll only label music what has been crafted by individuals actually caring about the stuff they're releasing...

and I still like 2 Britney Spears songs :oops:

and, on topic, Venetian Snares past works never really convinced me but, this one, oh mama!, is sweeeeeeeeeeet 8)

Both of you are sounding defensive, trying to find a loophole to pass through the sellout arguments, sellouts. :wink:

North From Here · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 7:02 am

Kathaarian wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Open Mind wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

noodles wrote:

Misha wrote:

Glad y'all like it. Quite funny for metalheads to like techno, good you're open minded people.

I think theres some bands that, even if it is part of another genre, has a lot of the stuff that metalheads look for in their music in it as well.

I think it's just a matter of what you're used to, and getting into another genre requires some effort. It's just a coincidence that most people here are into metal, they could have just as well be into *insert genre here*. What is a certainty is that they would have been into an non-mainstream genre either way, but which that would be is just a matter of influences from outside (your brother, a friend, a magazine, etc.). Being close-minded means that you stick to what you once chose or grew into, open-mindedness implies that are not afraid of other genres or getting into them. Selling out is starting to listen to Franz Ferdianand, Kathy ;)

imo, it's not openmindedness you describe here. it openminded elitism which is quite different... I'm open-minded and sometimes an elitist but I like easier musics too... Does that make me a sell-out ? I don't think so...

NP
Red Hot Chili Peppers "Stadium Arcadium" (sell-out music?)

That was just for Kathy, note the wink ;)

well, if that was for Kathy....

dOOd ! there's so much more than BM in life

No shit, like what?

I don't know how you guys get the impression that I only listen to black metal, hasn't anyone looked at my lastfm? There's even King Crimson there for fucks sake!

but techno on the other hand is clubber music and clubber=sellout

The first step to open-mindedness is to cancel the word sell-out from your vocabulary. Roughly "sellout" means that a band doesn't play what they like but what the masses may like, right? So What? As long as I like it, I care shit about how fucked up other listeners of the same music are. This sellout clamour reminds me of crying babies: "Muuummy .. this bad bad band plays music that is pleasing assholes, now I can't listen to them anymore, rähbäääähh!!" Remember, no one can tell you if music is good or not, except for your sense of hearing.

Back to topic: Venetian Snares seriously skins ass! He really made it .. and did not sellout

we old men know better than that, don't we Jochen ? :wink:

indeed, sellout doesn't mean shit to me... but you've got to admit some music is made only for commercial purpose (girls and boys bands, some house & dance music, most modern r'n'b) and 99,99% of it sucks... is it selling out ? imo, it's just NOT music...

as far as I'm concerned, I'll only label music what has been crafted by individuals actually caring about the stuff they're releasing...

and I still like 2 Britney Spears songs :oops:

and, on topic, Venetian Snares past works never really convinced me but, this one, oh mama!, is sweeeeeeeeeeet 8)

Both of you are sounding defensive, trying to find a loophole to pass through the sellout arguments, sellouts. :wink:

I can't wait for Open Mind's 12 step program for recovering metalheads.

Open Mind · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 10:00 am

Stefan wrote:

Open Mind wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Misha wrote:

noodles wrote:

Misha wrote:

Glad y'all like it. Quite funny for metalheads to like techno, good you're open minded people.

I think theres some bands that, even if it is part of another genre, has a lot of the stuff that metalheads look for in their music in it as well.

I think it's just a matter of what you're used to, and getting into another genre requires some effort. It's just a coincidence that most people here are into metal, they could have just as well be into *insert genre here*. What is a certainty is that they would have been into an non-mainstream genre either way, but which that would be is just a matter of influences from outside (your brother, a friend, a magazine, etc.). Being close-minded means that you stick to what you once chose or grew into, open-mindedness implies that are not afraid of other genres or getting into them. Selling out is starting to listen to Franz Ferdianand, Kathy ;)

imo, it's not openmindedness you describe here. it openminded elitism which is quite different... I'm open-minded and sometimes an elitist but I like easier musics too... Does that make me a sell-out ? I don't think so...

NP
Red Hot Chili Peppers "Stadium Arcadium" (sell-out music?)

That was just for Kathy, note the wink ;)

well, if that was for Kathy....

dOOd ! there's so much more than BM in life

No shit, like what?

I don't know how you guys get the impression that I only listen to black metal, hasn't anyone looked at my lastfm? There's even King Crimson there for fucks sake!

but techno on the other hand is clubber music and clubber=sellout

The first step to open-mindedness is to cancel the word sell-out from your vocabulary. Roughly "sellout" means that a band doesn't play what they like but what the masses may like, right? So What? As long as I like it, I care shit about how fucked up other listeners of the same music are. This sellout clamour reminds me of crying babies: "Muuummy .. this bad bad band plays music that is pleasing assholes, now I can't listen to them anymore, rähbäääähh!!" Remember, no one can tell you if music is good or not, except for your sense of hearing.

Back to topic: Venetian Snares seriously skins ass! He really made it .. and did not sellout

we old men know better than that, don't we Jochen ? :wink:

indeed, sellout doesn't mean shit to me... but you've got to admit some music is made only for commercial purpose (girls and boys bands, some house & dance music, most modern r'n'b) and 99,99% of it sucks... is it selling out ? imo, it's just NOT music...

as far as I'm concerned, I'll only label music what has been crafted by individuals actually caring about the stuff they're releasing...

and I still like 2 Britney Spears songs :oops:

and, on topic, Venetian Snares past works never really convinced me but, this one, oh mama!, is sweeeeeeeeeeet 8)

Sure, most music is made for commercial purposes, i.e. maximum sales is the goal. But someone who is satisfied with this kind of music must be out there. And isn't customer satisfaction the most critical success factor of any business? Quality is the satisfaction of customer demands, therefore being number one of the charts ist the best quality seal I can imagine for music, no matter how much the music sucks in my books.
Obviously we old men and most of the people who call themselfs metalheads (or classical music connoisseur or jazz aficionado) have a different understanding of quality but that doesn't mean it's better, it's just different. Elitism arises when we start to reject music because 99% of the people listen to it or because we don't like the people who listen to it. (Remember that "Slipknot is not Metal because they are on MTV" post)

I like your statement: "imo, it's just NOT music..."
Some well-educated person wrote: "just as music is whatever people choose to recognize as such, noise is whatever is recognized as disturbing, unpleasant, or both." So, you are right, 99,9% of the "commercial" stuff sucks, i.e. is unpleasant in my ears, and therefore is noise for me.

Open Mind · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 10:13 am

emperorblackdoom wrote:

I can't wait for Open Mind's 12 step program for recovering metalheads.

Hey, this is what I call a real challange

I will do my best...

Goat · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 12:55 pm

VS is awesome stuff. I loved it from the moment I heard the "Winnipeg Is A Frozen Shithole" release, great stuff.

Great Isis remix on that remix album they put out a while back, as well...

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 1:19 pm

Zad wrote:

VS is awesome stuff. I loved it from the moment I heard the "Winnipeg Is A Frozen Shithole" release, great stuff.

Great Isis remix on that remix album they put out a while back, as well...

This guy likes death meal and Isis :shock: . I'm downloading this biatch!

Misha · **Posted:** Thu May 04, 2006 1:33 am

DIRECT LINK TO MOVIE CLIP!!!

The noisy startup is not on the disk btw...

stuartn15ted · **Posted:** Thu May 04, 2006 1:39 am

Misha wrote:

DIRECT LINK TO MOVIE CLIP!!!

The noisy startup is not on the disk btw...

Thats a fucking weird vid. Cool track though

EisenFaust · **Posted:** Thu May 04, 2006 12:31 pm

The first step to open-mindedness?!? WTF? Open-mindedness is not really a goal in itself is it? It of course nice to be able to enjoy different kinds of music on their own merits, and expanding your horizon is important for me, but that does not mean that it is so for everyone else.

Lately there has been some kind of 'open-mindedness contest' going on at MR and frankly it is getting tiring. Suggesting good music that people might not have found otherwise is perfectly alright. It's what we're here for; discovering new fantastic music. Throwing "you are not open minded enough. Now I'll tell you how to work on it" in peoples faces is no better than a grumpy elitist shouting: "Stop whining and listen to teh black metal u pozer"

Open Mind: I understand that you are trying to 'enlighten' people around here, but your current approach is counterproductive. I don't think you mean to be arrogant but your comments certainly come off at the wrong foot.

On topic: This is quite a nice album. Some of the songs are a little to 'stressful' for me, but overall it is very good. Maybe I just need to give it a couple of more listens.

North From Here · **Posted:** Thu May 04, 2006 5:33 pm

EisenFaust wrote:

The first step to open-mindedness?!? WTF? Open-mindedness is not really a goal in itself is it? It of course nice to be able to enjoy different kinds of music on their own merits, and expanding your horizon is important for me, but that does not mean that it is so for everyone else.

Lately there has been some kind of 'open-mindedness contest' going on at MR and frankly it is getting tiring. Suggesting good music that people might not have found otherwise is perfectly alright. It's what we're here for; discovering new fantastic music. Throwing "you are not open minded enough. Now I'll tell you how to work on it" in peoples faces is no better than a grumpy elitist shouting: "Stop whining and listen to teh black metal u pozer"

Open Mind: I understand that you are trying to 'enlighten' people around here, but your current approach is counterproductive. I don't think you mean to be arrogant but your comments certainly come off at the wrong foot.

On topic: This is quite a nice album. Some of the songs are a little to 'stressful' for me, but overall it is very good. Maybe I just need to give it a couple of more listens.

Good post. The reaction against metalheads on this forum is out of control.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Thu May 04, 2006 5:37 pm

Misha wrote:

Glad y'all like it. Quite funny for metalheads to like techno, good you're open minded people.

I wouldn't call it techno, rather a clash of classical string music with trip hop. Excellent stuff, regardless. Some stuff is a bit too hectic for my tastes, and the opening track for the album you sent me has a truly horrifying soprano lead, but that's easily overlooked.

Open Mind · **Posted:** Fri May 05, 2006 4:49 am

EisenFaust wrote:

The first step to open-mindedness?!? WTF? Open-mindedness is not really a goal in itself is it? It of course nice to be able to enjoy different kinds of music on their own merits, and expanding your horizon is important for me, but that does not mean that it is so for everyone else.

Lately there has been some kind of 'open-mindedness contest' going on at MR and frankly it is getting tiring. Suggesting good music that people might not have found otherwise is perfectly alright. It's what we're here for; discovering new fantastic music. Throwing "you are not open minded enough. Now I'll tell you how to work on it" in peoples faces is no better than a grumpy elitist shouting: "Stop whining and listen to teh black metal u pozer"

Open Mind: I understand that you are trying to 'enlighten' people around here, but your current approach is counterproductive. I don't think you mean to be arrogant but your comments certainly come off at the wrong foot.

On topic: This is quite a nice album. Some of the songs are a little to 'stressful' for me, but overall it is very good. Maybe I just need to give it a couple of more listens.

Open-mindedness includes to accept close-mindedness and for sure I have no problem with anyone's taste, no matter how narrow it is from my point of view. I also care shit if anyone dosen't like music that I like. I care a little, if someone doesn't like music for non-musical reasons. However, you are right, I'm not in the position to "enlighten" anyone. If someone doesn't want to try a certain genre because of whatever non-musical reason, then so be it.
The whole thing is not about telling someone the path to open-mindedness, it's about the dubiety of the sellout argument.

Calls for a new thread..

noodles · **Posted:** Fri May 05, 2006 5:37 am

nvm posted in other thread...

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