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Eternal Idol
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where I live, whenever someone says hardcore they always mean this techno crap. No matter how many times I explain that hardcore was actually metal....

Same here, but it just means both. I prefer the techno hardcore, when done right.

traitor!

Silly metalhead!

bloody dutchman... :D

I'm sorry, that's not an offence.

but how can techno be done right, anyway? It's just various sounds in the same rythm... Napalm Death is infinitely superiour...

So what the fuck do you know about techno anyways? :D


I only know that it's baaaaaad!!! except when Rob Zombie uses elements of it... (listen, if I'm saying shit, someone stop me, I wouldn't want to provoke anything just by being stupid...)


Buy some Aphex Twin and Squarepusher for Techno done right. Rob Zombie is Industrial, not Techno, silly Swiss ex-American! :wink:

What a coincidence, in the last 15 minutes I've listened to both of those. It's actually drill 'n bass, but that falls under techno, right?


Sure, like how the 20,000 Metal genres fit under "Metal".
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Open Mind tought me that it's more like Electronic Dance is the basic genre, and that the rest is roughly devided into categories based on the bpm rate.
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Eternal Idol wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Misha wrote:
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Misha wrote:
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Misha wrote:
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Misha wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
where I live, whenever someone says hardcore they always mean this techno crap. No matter how many times I explain that hardcore was actually metal....

Same here, but it just means both. I prefer the techno hardcore, when done right.

traitor!

Silly metalhead!

bloody dutchman... :D

I'm sorry, that's not an offence.

but how can techno be done right, anyway? It's just various sounds in the same rythm... Napalm Death is infinitely superiour...

So what the fuck do you know about techno anyways? :D


I only know that it's baaaaaad!!! except when Rob Zombie uses elements of it... (listen, if I'm saying shit, someone stop me, I wouldn't want to provoke anything just by being stupid...)


Buy some Aphex Twin and Squarepusher for Techno done right. Rob Zombie is Industrial, not Techno, silly Swiss ex-American! :wink:


i'm not an ex-american.. I have an american passport and a swiss one, and I am still an american citizen. If you go by blood, however, I'm Irish, swiss and Lithuainian

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Eternal Idol wrote:
Rob Zombie is Industrial.


NOT!!!

Industrial does not mean metal with samples and electronic drums.
Industrial does not mean gay electronic disco music with distorted vocals.

Check out stuff like Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire and SPK for industrial.
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Some harcore techno fucking slays. It's especially good when you smoked pot or drunk a lot! Gives you a lot of flashes..
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Industrial does not mean metal with samples and electronic drums.Industrial does not mean gay electronic disco music with distorted vocals.


Who said he played Metal? :wink:
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Industrial does not mean metal with samples and electronic drums.Industrial does not mean gay electronic disco music with distorted vocals.


Who said he played Metal? :wink:


Yes, make that mallcore! :D
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where I live, whenever someone says hardcore they always mean this techno crap. No matter how many times I explain that hardcore was actually metal....

Same here, but it just means both. I prefer the techno hardcore, when done right.


Techno Hardcore? Like Alec Empire?
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Misha wrote:
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where I live, whenever someone says hardcore they always mean this techno crap. No matter how many times I explain that hardcore was actually metal....

Same here, but it just means both. I prefer the techno hardcore, when done right.


Techno Hardcore? Like Alec Empire?

Like this.
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Misha wrote:
Shuten Doji wrote:
Misha wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
where I live, whenever someone says hardcore they always mean this techno crap. No matter how many times I explain that hardcore was actually metal....

Same here, but it just means both. I prefer the techno hardcore, when done right.


Techno Hardcore? Like Alec Empire?


Like this.


Hey, what's the difference between techno and dub?
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Misha wrote:
Shuten Doji wrote:
Misha wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
where I live, whenever someone says hardcore they always mean this techno crap. No matter how many times I explain that hardcore was actually metal....

Same here, but it just means both. I prefer the techno hardcore, when done right.


Techno Hardcore? Like Alec Empire?


Like this.


Hey, what's the difference between techno and dub?


Isn't dub more closely related to Reggae and Ska? I think they're totally different areas.
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rio wrote:
Zad wrote:
Misha wrote:
Shuten Doji wrote:
Misha wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
where I live, whenever someone says hardcore they always mean this techno crap. No matter how many times I explain that hardcore was actually metal....

Same here, but it just means both. I prefer the techno hardcore, when done right.


Techno Hardcore? Like Alec Empire?


Like this.


Hey, what's the difference between techno and dub?


Isn't dub more closely related to Reggae and Ska? I think they're totally different areas.


Oh yeah, good point. I must have been thinking of something else...
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Open Mind tought me that it's more like Electronic Dance is the basic genre, and that the rest is roughly devided into categories based on the bpm rate.


It's basically the same like in metal; There is no binding defintion of subgenres. Right so! Life would be poorer if there wasn't discussions whether a band is Symphonic Black Metal or Gothic Atmospheric Metal :)

Here is an example of an amazing electronic music guide that goes without bpm at all: http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

I whished such a thing would exist for metal anyway.
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Open Mind tought me that it's more like Electronic Dance is the basic genre, and that the rest is roughly devided into categories based on the bpm rate.


It's basically the same like in metal; There is no binding defintion of subgenres. Right so! Life would be poorer if there wasn't discussions whether a band is Symphonic Black Metal or Gothic Atmospheric Metal :)

Here is an example of an amazing electronic music guide that goes without bpm at all: http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

I whished such a thing would exist for metal anyway.

NICE, thanks for that! Didn't even know that metalcore was a electronic dance genre as well...
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Misha wrote:
NICE, thanks for that! Didn't even know that metalcore was a electronic dance genre as well...

So finally this thread is back on topic.
I don't want to keep back these very nice quotes (replace Hardcore by "our" Hardcore):

Ishkur guide to electronic music v2.5 wrote:
Hardcore and Heavy Metal are kin, after all, in much the same way that cheese and butter are kin.

Ishkur guide to electronic music v2.5 wrote:
Hardcore is the musical genre with bi-polar disorder: one half is blistering, sadistic anger, a seething uncontrollable rage that seeks to ruin and wreck everything that exists, including everyone else's fun time. It is hardcore's mission to inundate the world with pointless, seering sonic hell, insisting every chance it gets that it will never be defeated, can not be killed, and refuses to go away no matter how much people want it to. The other half of hardcore is way too silly and stupid to take such anger seriously anymore.
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Still weird to me how he puts Aphex Twin under experimental jungle: drill'n'bass and shows his respect, yet he places Venetian Snares under noisecore: breakbeat, and totally bashes the entire genre for just being uninspired noise (drop a cat on your equipment). They are not so different in my ears...
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Misha wrote:
Still weird to me how he puts Aphex Twin under experimental jungle: drill'n'bass and shows his respect, yet he places Venetian Snares under noisecore: breakbeat, and totally bashes the entire genre for just being uninspired noise (drop a cat on your equipment). They are not so different in my ears...


I don't think it is uninspired noise. Compare it to some of the madder Noisecore (as in, the non-electronic one) and the rhythms are quite apparent. Maybe that's just because my ears are used to Sunn O))) and Merzbow and stuff like that, 'normal' people would find it noise.
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Still weird to me how he puts Aphex Twin under experimental jungle: drill'n'bass and shows his respect, yet he places Venetian Snares under noisecore: breakbeat, and totally bashes the entire genre for just being uninspired noise (drop a cat on your equipment). They are not so different in my ears...

I think you can't take this guy too serious. The whole thing is quite tongue-in-cheek (see quotes above). Highly enjoyable IMO.

The Noisecore label is maybe more for that particular VS sample, which is indeed quite noisy compared to some other VS stuff. Same for Aphex Twin; SAW2 is for sure no Jungle.

And then, as Metalheads we are used to praise one band and to bash another, even if the sound almost the same. You just have to label of one them "Metalcore" and the other "Nu Metal". :twisted:
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