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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:22 pm 
Stefan wrote:
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Sorry, I like to keep the amount of integrity at a respectable level when I write my reviews. Just because people are ignorant and dismiss music based on a stupid fucking label is not my problem. When the fuck did I say anything about me being the "man who knows all and everything." I fucking ACCURATELY described the style of music included on this EP, that is exactly what I should do as a reviewer. If you can't wrap your head around that, again, NOT MY FAULT. Keep your childish insults to yourself.


insults ?
:lol:

ok, nevermind... you'll never change... 8)

Where are the insults? "Fucking" and "fuck" is now an insult? As for the other statement, let me break it down for you:

Just because people are ignorant

PEOPLE: A general term in this context, not singling out anyone in particular.

IGNORANT: Definition states that it means "lacking education or knowledge." In this case, knowledge applies. It also describes it as "showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake." Again, in the case knowledge applies.

Now, again, where are the insults? Someone assuming something is bad without hearing it is, by definition, ignorant. That is not an insult in my country, maybe in France it is, but not here. As for the cuss words, when this site goes Christian I'll make sure I use "friggin" and "frickin" and "phooey" as replacements.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:36 pm 
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To be fair, I have noticed that you often prefer to take every chance to rant about "people" in general, regardless of who you're arguing with. So hypothetically I'd rather you insulted me directly as opposed to saying "people are ignorant fucks" and just having to wonder whether that includes me or not..


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:01 am 
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To be fair, I have noticed that you often prefer to take every chance to rant about "people" in general, regardless of who you're arguing with. So hypothetically I'd rather you insulted me directly as opposed to saying "people are ignorant fucks" and just having to wonder whether that includes me or not..

I can't win, can I? Are you one of those people that have assumed this band sucks because of two letters, N and U? If so, you are ignorant. Mystery solved.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:49 am 
Eyesore wrote:
rio wrote:
To be fair, I have noticed that you often prefer to take every chance to rant about "people" in general, regardless of who you're arguing with. So hypothetically I'd rather you insulted me directly as opposed to saying "people are ignorant fucks" and just having to wonder whether that includes me or not..

I can't win, can I? Are you one of those people that have assumed this band sucks because of two letters, N and U? If so, you are ignorant. Mystery solved.


are you an only child ? :?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:01 am 
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
rio wrote:
To be fair, I have noticed that you often prefer to take every chance to rant about "people" in general, regardless of who you're arguing with. So hypothetically I'd rather you insulted me directly as opposed to saying "people are ignorant fucks" and just having to wonder whether that includes me or not..

I can't win, can I? Are you one of those people that have assumed this band sucks because of two letters, N and U? If so, you are ignorant. Mystery solved.

are you an only child ? :?

Dude, don't even reply in this thread if you aren't going to respond to the nonsense you wrote before.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:44 am 
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
rio wrote:
To be fair, I have noticed that you often prefer to take every chance to rant about "people" in general, regardless of who you're arguing with. So hypothetically I'd rather you insulted me directly as opposed to saying "people are ignorant fucks" and just having to wonder whether that includes me or not..

I can't win, can I? Are you one of those people that have assumed this band sucks because of two letters, N and U? If so, you are ignorant. Mystery solved.

are you an only child ? :?

Dude, don't even reply in this thread if you aren't going to respond to the nonsense you wrote before.


since when do you decide what is nonsense and what is not ? :shock:
but, okay, got it now... you want to be right ? you are right... people are ignorant fucks indeed and you're so much better than them (it's just I find this kind of behaviour to be pretty common among only children but you don't have to answer that anymore... well, you kind of did anyway... :P ).

ok, let's leave it to that and talk about music now 8)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:50 am 
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
rio wrote:
To be fair, I have noticed that you often prefer to take every chance to rant about "people" in general, regardless of who you're arguing with. So hypothetically I'd rather you insulted me directly as opposed to saying "people are ignorant fucks" and just having to wonder whether that includes me or not..

I can't win, can I? Are you one of those people that have assumed this band sucks because of two letters, N and U? If so, you are ignorant. Mystery solved.

are you an only child ? :?

Dude, don't even reply in this thread if you aren't going to respond to the nonsense you wrote before.


since when do you decide what is nonsense and what is not ? :shock:
but, okay, got it now... you want to be right ? you are right... people are ignorant fucks indeed and you're so much better than them (it's just I find this kind of behaviour to be pretty common among only children but you don't have to answer that anymore... well, you kind of did anyway... :P ).

ok, let's leave it to that and talk about music now 8)

Yes, nonsense is making lame statements that I was somehow throwing insults around and then turning around and ignoring the response and then making some lame set up question like "are you an only child?" The intent is childish. You're like 40, act it.

And who said I want to be right? I don't need to come into a thread and continue reading ridiculous replies from someone like you, someone who constantly wants to throw a little gas on the fire and then deftly try and point the finger elsewhere. It's tiresome and childish.

Like I said, don't reply if you haven't got anything worthwhile to say. You started all this nonsense—and yes, it is, in fact, nonsense—so quit making snide remarks and then turn around and go "OK, let's leave it at that." If you want discussion, no problem, if you want to argue go elsewhere.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:19 am 
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
rio wrote:
To be fair, I have noticed that you often prefer to take every chance to rant about "people" in general, regardless of who you're arguing with. So hypothetically I'd rather you insulted me directly as opposed to saying "people are ignorant fucks" and just having to wonder whether that includes me or not..

I can't win, can I? Are you one of those people that have assumed this band sucks because of two letters, N and U? If so, you are ignorant. Mystery solved.

are you an only child ? :?

Dude, don't even reply in this thread if you aren't going to respond to the nonsense you wrote before.


since when do you decide what is nonsense and what is not ? :shock:
but, okay, got it now... you want to be right ? you are right... people are ignorant fucks indeed and you're so much better than them (it's just I find this kind of behaviour to be pretty common among only children but you don't have to answer that anymore... well, you kind of did anyway... :P ).

ok, let's leave it to that and talk about music now 8)

Yes, nonsense is making lame statements that I was somehow throwing insults around and then turning around and ignoring the response and then making some lame set up question like "are you an only child?" The intent is childish. You're like 40, act it.

And who said I want to be right? I don't need to come into a thread and continue reading ridiculous replies from someone like you, someone who constantly wants to throw a little gas on the fire and then deftly try and point the finger elsewhere. It's tiresome and childish.

Like I said, don't reply if you haven't got anything worthwhile to say. You started all this nonsense—and yes, it is, in fact, nonsense—so quit making snide remarks and then turn around and go "OK, let's leave it at that." If you want discussion, no problem, if you want to argue go elsewhere.


actually, I wanted a discussion on how carefully the term "Nu" had to be used on a metal website such as MR. but you dismissed it so quickly and then refused to go come back to it that you left me with nothing but attempts to understand your strange behaviour...

and that wasn't intended to put any gas on any fire... :roll: I have not enough spare time to engage in such childish games. 8)

NP
Halloween "Victims of the Night"
(this is just alright... wallpaper metal as I call it.. it flows but nothing really grabs me... I used to really like this band... guess tastes change... :roll: )


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:06 pm 
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Eyesore wrote:
rio wrote:
To be fair, I have noticed that you often prefer to take every chance to rant about "people" in general, regardless of who you're arguing with. So hypothetically I'd rather you insulted me directly as opposed to saying "people are ignorant fucks" and just having to wonder whether that includes me or not..

I can't win, can I? Are you one of those people that have assumed this band sucks because of two letters, N and U? If so, you are ignorant. Mystery solved.


I'm one of those people that decided they didn't want to listen to it because of the tag "melodic nu-deathrock". But I don't accept that that makes me ignorant. It means I have more music on my hard drive than I have time to listen to, and so don't want to pick up more stuff from a genre that I have no interest in.

Of course, that means this thread and I can co-exist peacefully. The reason I entered it was not to slander Motherstone, who I'm sure are good at what they do, but just to express that there is no call for the whole "people are ignorant fucks" rhetoric. I think you should give people here enough credit to decide for themselves what genres they want to sample, and not imply that ignorance is their reason for choosing not to.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:05 pm 
rio wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
rio wrote:
To be fair, I have noticed that you often prefer to take every chance to rant about "people" in general, regardless of who you're arguing with. So hypothetically I'd rather you insulted me directly as opposed to saying "people are ignorant fucks" and just having to wonder whether that includes me or not..

I can't win, can I? Are you one of those people that have assumed this band sucks because of two letters, N and U? If so, you are ignorant. Mystery solved.


I'm one of those people that decided they didn't want to listen to it because of the tag "melodic nu-deathrock". But I don't accept that that makes me ignorant. It means I have more music on my hard drive than I have time to listen to, and so don't want to pick up more stuff from a genre that I have no interest in.

Of course, that means this thread and I can co-exist peacefully. The reason I entered it was not to slander Motherstone, who I'm sure are good at what they do, but just to express that there is no call for the whole "people are ignorant fucks" rhetoric. I think you should give people here enough credit to decide for themselves what genres they want to sample, and not imply that ignorance is their reason for choosing not to.

Hey, I'm not against people deciding not to listen to something at all. What I'm against is someone saying something sucks without hearing it first, that is where the ignorance comes in. You'll notice my question to you was whether or not you were a person that assumes it sucks without listening, not a person that just chooses not to listen. There is a big difference there.

And for the record, I never called anyone an "ignorant fuck."


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:12 pm 
Stefan wrote:
actually, I wanted a discussion on how carefully the term "Nu" had to be used on a metal website such as MR. but you dismissed it so quickly and then refused to go come back to it that you left me with nothing but attempts to understand your strange behaviour...

and that wasn't intended to put any gas on any fire... :roll: I have not enough spare time to engage in such childish games. 8)

But you got your discussion, you just chose to not listen to me.

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Clearly a genre of melodic nu-death doesn't exist. I put that there because there is a lot of melodic death metal, but there are no solos, thus the "nu" reference. It's actually quite good. You should try it before assuming?

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But it's appropriate. I can't do anything to convince people to try something before voicing an opinion.

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Well, I tried to accurately give the reader an idea of what genres the band incorporates, they're not one of anything, they're a bit of a mix of melodic death metal, rock and a little nu-metal, though the nu-metal distinction is not really based on what they played—though there are a few moments—but what they didn't play (solos).

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Again, if people are going to be retarded there is nothing I can do about it. My description is accurate.

And then came YOUR insults:

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ok then... people are retarded and you're so the man who knows all and everything... hoooo, we so want to be not retarded like you...

And we're off...

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Sorry, I like to keep the amount of integrity at a respectable level when I write my reviews. Just because people are ignorant and dismiss music based on a stupid fucking label is not my problem. When the fuck did I say anything about me being the "man who knows all and everything." I fucking ACCURATELY described the style of music included on this EP, that is exactly what I should do as a reviewer. If you can't wrap your head around that, again, NOT MY FAULT. Keep your childish insults to yourself.

Still, you'll notice there are no insults from me. You'll also notice that I explained why I used the term "nu" multiple times. Why did you not acknowledge that, hmmm? No, no...it couldn't possibly be that you were trying to "engage in childish games", huh?

Again, the "nu" reference is accurate. If you choose to not listen, whatever, if you choose to not listen because you assume it sucks based on "nu," then that's stupid.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:33 pm 
clearly you want to have the last word, so here it is :
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
actually, I wanted a discussion on how carefully the term "Nu" had to be used on a metal website such as MR. but you dismissed it so quickly and then refused to go come back to it that you left me with nothing but attempts to understand your strange behaviour...

and that wasn't intended to put any gas on any fire... :roll: I have not enough spare time to engage in such childish games. 8)

But you got your discussion, you just chose to not listen to me.

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Clearly a genre of melodic nu-death doesn't exist. I put that there because there is a lot of melodic death metal, but there are no solos, thus the "nu" reference. It's actually quite good. You should try it before assuming?

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But it's appropriate. I can't do anything to convince people to try something before voicing an opinion.

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Well, I tried to accurately give the reader an idea of what genres the band incorporates, they're not one of anything, they're a bit of a mix of melodic death metal, rock and a little nu-metal, though the nu-metal distinction is not really based on what they played—though there are a few moments—but what they didn't play (solos).

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Again, if people are going to be retarded there is nothing I can do about it. My description is accurate.

And then came YOUR insults:

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ok then... people are retarded and you're so the man who knows all and everything... hoooo, we so want to be not retarded like you...

And we're off...

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Sorry, I like to keep the amount of integrity at a respectable level when I write my reviews. Just because people are ignorant and dismiss music based on a stupid fucking label is not my problem. When the fuck did I say anything about me being the "man who knows all and everything." I fucking ACCURATELY described the style of music included on this EP, that is exactly what I should do as a reviewer. If you can't wrap your head around that, again, NOT MY FAULT. Keep your childish insults to yourself.

Still, you'll notice there are no insults from me. You'll also notice that I explained why I used the term "nu" multiple times. Why did you not acknowledge that, hmmm? No, no...it couldn't possibly be that you were trying to "engage in childish games", huh?

Again, the "nu" reference is accurate. If you choose to not listen, whatever, if you choose to not listen because you assume it sucks based on "nu," then that's stupid.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:52 pm 
Stefan wrote:
clearly you want to have the last word, so here it is :

I love when people start arguments on the internet and then when they're out of angles they say something like this instead of just admitting that they were wrong.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:57 pm 
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
clearly you want to have the last word, so here it is :

I love when people start arguments on the internet and then when they're out of angles they say something like this instead of just admitting that they were wrong.


but dear, there's no point in debating anything with you... I've tried it a few times and we always end up the same way : you're so convinced that you're right that you don't even try to comprehend other people's arguments... so what's the point ? :roll:

NP
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:03 pm 
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
clearly you want to have the last word, so here it is :

I love when people start arguments on the internet and then when they're out of angles they say something like this instead of just admitting that they were wrong.


but dear, there's no point in debating anything with you... I've tried it a few times and we always end up the same way : you're so convinced that you're right that you don't even try to comprehend other people's arguments... so what's the point ? :roll:

NP
Angel Witch "Angel Witch"

This isn't a debate. You accused me of insulting people, implied I was being rude and arrogant when I simply stated it's ignorant to assume a band sucks based on their genre. When I prove that I did not insult anyone you started your nonsensical replies instead of just acknowledging that you were wrong. I mean, you didn't even refute what I replied to your insinuation that I was insulting people.

I'm sorry, dude, I don't like arguing online for no reason, but if you're going to accuse me of things you need to man up instead of saying something out of line and then running away.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:46 pm 
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
clearly you want to have the last word, so here it is :

I love when people start arguments on the internet and then when they're out of angles they say something like this instead of just admitting that they were wrong.


but dear, there's no point in debating anything with you... I've tried it a few times and we always end up the same way : you're so convinced that you're right that you don't even try to comprehend other people's arguments... so what's the point ? :roll:

NP
Angel Witch "Angel Witch"

This isn't a debate. You accused me of insulting people, implied I was being rude and arrogant when I simply stated it's ignorant to assume a band sucks based on their genre. When I prove that I did not insult anyone you started your nonsensical replies instead of just acknowledging that you were wrong. I mean, you didn't even refute what I replied to your insinuation that I was insulting people.

I'm sorry, dude, I don't like arguing online for no reason, but if you're going to accuse me of things you need to man up instead of saying something out of line and then running away.

once again you proved me right... thanks but that'll be the last as I, too, don't like arguing on line for no reason... neither do I like being called stupid then coward by someone who, not once, admited he was wrong... that's just a waste of my (precious) time.

NP
Necromandus - Necrothology
(1973, produced by Tony Iommi)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:10 pm 
Stefan wrote:
once again you proved me right... thanks but that'll be the last as I, too, don't like arguing on line for no reason... neither do I like being called stupid then coward by someone who, not once, admited he was wrong... that's just a waste of my (precious) time.

But I wasn't wrong. That's what you're missing. I proved that I wasn't wrong and that you just wanted to start a fight...again. Now, like always, you just want to walk away. Which is fine, go ahead and walk away, but you're not the better man for doing so.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:20 pm 
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
once again you proved me right... thanks but that'll be the last as I, too, don't like arguing on line for no reason... neither do I like being called stupid then coward by someone who, not once, admited he was wrong... that's just a waste of my (precious) time.

But I wasn't wrong. That's what you're missing. I proved that I wasn't wrong and that you just wanted to start a fight...again. Now, like always, you just want to walk away. Which is fine, go ahead and walk away, but you're not the better man for doing so.


ok son, here goes... you cannot be wrong because the very concept of being wrong seems to be unknow to you... can we let go of it now or should we do that for another 5 pages ? :roll:

and it's not that i'm being a coward or anything, just that this whole thread tires me now... :(

NP
Boomerang - s/t
(1971, nice Deep Purple clone)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:25 pm 
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
once again you proved me right... thanks but that'll be the last as I, too, don't like arguing on line for no reason... neither do I like being called stupid then coward by someone who, not once, admited he was wrong... that's just a waste of my (precious) time.

But I wasn't wrong. That's what you're missing. I proved that I wasn't wrong and that you just wanted to start a fight...again. Now, like always, you just want to walk away. Which is fine, go ahead and walk away, but you're not the better man for doing so.


ok son, here goes... you cannot be wrong because the very concept of being wrong seems to be unknow to you... can we let go of it now or should we do that for another 5 pages ? :roll:

and it's not that i'm being a coward or anything, just that this whole thread tires me now... :(

NP
Boomerang - s/t
(1971, nice Deep Purple clone)

I can be wrong and I often am, I'll admit so when I am wrong, too! But am I wrong for accurately reviewing a band? NO! Am I wrong for saying that someone saying a band sucks without actually listening to the music is ignorant? NO! That IS ignorant. Did I insult anyone in this thread? NO!

If this thread tires you now maybe you shouldn't have written all the bullshit that you wrote? Make sense, right? If I am wrong, as you suggest, please, I beg of you, point out where I am wrong in this thread. It shouldn't be hard.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:32 pm 
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Stefan wrote:
once again you proved me right... thanks but that'll be the last as I, too, don't like arguing on line for no reason... neither do I like being called stupid then coward by someone who, not once, admited he was wrong... that's just a waste of my (precious) time.

But I wasn't wrong. That's what you're missing. I proved that I wasn't wrong and that you just wanted to start a fight...again. Now, like always, you just want to walk away. Which is fine, go ahead and walk away, but you're not the better man for doing so.


ok son, here goes... you cannot be wrong because the very concept of being wrong seems to be unknow to you... can we let go of it now or should we do that for another 5 pages ? :roll:

and it's not that i'm being a coward or anything, just that this whole thread tires me now... :(

NP
Boomerang - s/t
(1971, nice Deep Purple clone)

I can be wrong and I often am, I'll admit so when I am wrong, too! But am I wrong for accurately reviewing a band? NO! Am I wrong for saying that someone saying a band sucks without actually listening to the music is ignorant? NO! That IS ignorant. Did I insult anyone in this thread? NO!

If this thread tires you now maybe you shouldn't have written all the bullshit that you wrote? Make sense, right? If I am wrong, as you suggest, please, I beg of you, point out where I am wrong in this thread. It shouldn't be hard.

HERE !


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