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Nargaroth and Darkthrone are indeed not underground, but most (yet far from all) underground BM bands do play live, I don't care if you throw 3 examples on the table of bands that don't play live, a very large part still does.


No they don't. Most of them don't. And I also said "rarely", that includes bands like Darkspace who only gave like 1 or 2 concerts ever.


OK, I don't know a whole lot about BM, but I do know that most underground BM bands play live, I've even seen a few at band nights etc. Most aren't signed to big labels (obviously) but play live in front of like 30 people in pubs band nights whatever.

Very right. Most kvlt bands may refuse to perform live, but most underground bands play live a lot.


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Kathaarian wrote:
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Nargaroth and Darkthrone are indeed not underground, but most (yet far from all) underground BM bands do play live, I don't care if you throw 3 examples on the table of bands that don't play live, a very large part still does.


No they don't. Most of them don't. And I also said "rarely", that includes bands like Darkspace who only gave like 1 or 2 concerts ever.


OK, I don't know a whole lot about BM, but I do know that most underground BM bands play live, I've even seen a few at band nights etc. Most aren't signed to big labels (obviously) but play live in front of like 30 people in pubs band nights whatever.


Oh really ? Did the few bands you've seen live give you that impression or did you check out thousands of bands for years and came to the conclusion like I did ?


Well, there's a huge pub-band scene in Turkey, so I'd listen to Dogan on this one.


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Nargaroth and Darkthrone are indeed not underground, but most (yet far from all) underground BM bands do play live, I don't care if you throw 3 examples on the table of bands that don't play live, a very large part still does.


No they don't. Most of them don't. And I also said "rarely", that includes bands like Darkspace who only gave like 1 or 2 concerts ever.


OK, I don't know a whole lot about BM, but I do know that most underground BM bands play live, I've even seen a few at band nights etc. Most aren't signed to big labels (obviously) but play live in front of like 30 people in pubs band nights whatever.


Oh really ? Did the few bands you've seen live give you that impression or did you check out thousands of bands for years and came to the conclusion like I did ?


Well, there's a huge pub-band scene in Turkey, so I'd listen to Dogan on this one.


@Dogan-OK, in England then. Plus a lot of the black metal guys I talk to at gigs say the same thing so...Eh...In England anyways, but what I'm trying to say is what Misha said-KVLT bands might not play live, but underground bands sure as hell do. (in England, anyways. ENGLAND.)


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Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
Zad wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
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Misha wrote:
Nargaroth and Darkthrone are indeed not underground, but most (yet far from all) underground BM bands do play live, I don't care if you throw 3 examples on the table of bands that don't play live, a very large part still does.


No they don't. Most of them don't. And I also said "rarely", that includes bands like Darkspace who only gave like 1 or 2 concerts ever.


OK, I don't know a whole lot about BM, but I do know that most underground BM bands play live, I've even seen a few at band nights etc. Most aren't signed to big labels (obviously) but play live in front of like 30 people in pubs band nights whatever.


Oh really ? Did the few bands you've seen live give you that impression or did you check out thousands of bands for years and came to the conclusion like I did ?


Well, there's a huge pub-band scene in Turkey, so I'd listen to Dogan on this one.


@Dogan-OK, in England then. Plus a lot of the black metal guys I talk to at gigs say the same thing so...Eh...In England anyways, but what I'm trying to say is what Misha said-KVLT bands might not play live, but underground bands sure as hell do. (in England, anyways. ENGLAND.)

Well Turkey doesn't have a lot more than 40 BM bands or something so it won't spoil your average...


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Misha wrote:
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Kathaarian wrote:
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Kathaarian wrote:
Misha wrote:
Nargaroth and Darkthrone are indeed not underground, but most (yet far from all) underground BM bands do play live, I don't care if you throw 3 examples on the table of bands that don't play live, a very large part still does.


No they don't. Most of them don't. And I also said "rarely", that includes bands like Darkspace who only gave like 1 or 2 concerts ever.


OK, I don't know a whole lot about BM, but I do know that most underground BM bands play live, I've even seen a few at band nights etc. Most aren't signed to big labels (obviously) but play live in front of like 30 people in pubs band nights whatever.


Oh really ? Did the few bands you've seen live give you that impression or did you check out thousands of bands for years and came to the conclusion like I did ?


Well, there's a huge pub-band scene in Turkey, so I'd listen to Dogan on this one.


@Dogan-OK, in England then. Plus a lot of the black metal guys I talk to at gigs say the same thing so...Eh...In England anyways, but what I'm trying to say is what Misha said-KVLT bands might not play live, but underground bands sure as hell do. (in England, anyways. ENGLAND.)

Well Turkey doesn't have a lot more than 40 BM bands or something so it won't spoil your average...


58, according to Archives. And I was being sarky there, Pete.


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Zad wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
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Misha wrote:
Nargaroth and Darkthrone are indeed not underground, but most (yet far from all) underground BM bands do play live, I don't care if you throw 3 examples on the table of bands that don't play live, a very large part still does.


No they don't. Most of them don't. And I also said "rarely", that includes bands like Darkspace who only gave like 1 or 2 concerts ever.


OK, I don't know a whole lot about BM, but I do know that most underground BM bands play live, I've even seen a few at band nights etc. Most aren't signed to big labels (obviously) but play live in front of like 30 people in pubs band nights whatever.


Oh really ? Did the few bands you've seen live give you that impression or did you check out thousands of bands for years and came to the conclusion like I did ?


Well, there's a huge pub-band scene in Turkey, so I'd listen to Dogan on this one.


How do you know that ? It's right but... Are you kidding or smt ?

Of course listen to me anyway. You can listen to Misha bout bm, starting with the bands on his signature. (wink) (Misha, you're no longer qualified)


edit: I know there aren't many Turkish bm bands, I know most of them are shite but that doesn't prove anything. And Misha how many bm concerts have you been to ? (to turn this into a pissing contest)


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How do you know that ? It's right but... Are you kidding or smt ?

Of course listen to me anyway. You can listen to Misha bout bm, starting with the bands on his signature. (wink)


Ooh, I'm an absolute expert on all things Turkish, dear boy.


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FYI boys I have never actually been to a black metal gig proper, just seen some underground bands in pubs and shit in a crowd of no more than a 100 people, most of whom aren't watching the band...I've seen Vesenia live though, and I was bored shitless-but they only played a 30 min set luckily.


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Kathaarian wrote:
Zad wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Misha wrote:
Nargaroth and Darkthrone are indeed not underground, but most (yet far from all) underground BM bands do play live, I don't care if you throw 3 examples on the table of bands that don't play live, a very large part still does.


No they don't. Most of them don't. And I also said "rarely", that includes bands like Darkspace who only gave like 1 or 2 concerts ever.


OK, I don't know a whole lot about BM, but I do know that most underground BM bands play live, I've even seen a few at band nights etc. Most aren't signed to big labels (obviously) but play live in front of like 30 people in pubs band nights whatever.


Oh really ? Did the few bands you've seen live give you that impression or did you check out thousands of bands for years and came to the conclusion like I did ?


Well, there's a huge pub-band scene in Turkey, so I'd listen to Dogan on this one.


How do you know that ? It's right but... Are you kidding or smt ?

Of course listen to me anyway. You can listen to Misha bout bm, starting with the bands on his signature. (wink) (Misha, you're no longer qualified)


edit: I know there aren't many Turkish bm bands, I know most of them are shite but that doesn't prove anything. And Misha how many bm concerts have you been to ? (to turn this into a pissing contest)

Did you forget who taught you a shitload on BM ;) ?
I've not been to one single BM concert, but that doesn't take away that I do know which bands perform and which not. I might not listen to a lot of BM anymore, but I didn't lose my knowledge on the matter!


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Misha wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Zad wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Misha wrote:
Nargaroth and Darkthrone are indeed not underground, but most (yet far from all) underground BM bands do play live, I don't care if you throw 3 examples on the table of bands that don't play live, a very large part still does.


No they don't. Most of them don't. And I also said "rarely", that includes bands like Darkspace who only gave like 1 or 2 concerts ever.


OK, I don't know a whole lot about BM, but I do know that most underground BM bands play live, I've even seen a few at band nights etc. Most aren't signed to big labels (obviously) but play live in front of like 30 people in pubs band nights whatever.


Oh really ? Did the few bands you've seen live give you that impression or did you check out thousands of bands for years and came to the conclusion like I did ?


Well, there's a huge pub-band scene in Turkey, so I'd listen to Dogan on this one.


How do you know that ? It's right but... Are you kidding or smt ?

Of course listen to me anyway. You can listen to Misha bout bm, starting with the bands on his signature. (wink) (Misha, you're no longer qualified)


edit: I know there aren't many Turkish bm bands, I know most of them are shite but that doesn't prove anything. And Misha how many bm concerts have you been to ? (to turn this into a pissing contest)

Did you forget who taught you a shitload on BM ;) ?
I've not been to one single BM concert, but that doesn't take away that I do not know which bands perform and which not. I might not listen to a lot of BM anymore, but I didn't lose my knowledge on the matter!


Bah, you're not a qualified bmer any more. So my word > your word. If you ever renew your knowledge about the issue let me know so we can have a proper bm debate. Haha!


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Kathaarian wrote:
Misha wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Zad wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Misha wrote:
Nargaroth and Darkthrone are indeed not underground, but most (yet far from all) underground BM bands do play live, I don't care if you throw 3 examples on the table of bands that don't play live, a very large part still does.


No they don't. Most of them don't. And I also said "rarely", that includes bands like Darkspace who only gave like 1 or 2 concerts ever.


OK, I don't know a whole lot about BM, but I do know that most underground BM bands play live, I've even seen a few at band nights etc. Most aren't signed to big labels (obviously) but play live in front of like 30 people in pubs band nights whatever.


Oh really ? Did the few bands you've seen live give you that impression or did you check out thousands of bands for years and came to the conclusion like I did ?


Well, there's a huge pub-band scene in Turkey, so I'd listen to Dogan on this one.


How do you know that ? It's right but... Are you kidding or smt ?

Of course listen to me anyway. You can listen to Misha bout bm, starting with the bands on his signature. (wink) (Misha, you're no longer qualified)


edit: I know there aren't many Turkish bm bands, I know most of them are shite but that doesn't prove anything. And Misha how many bm concerts have you been to ? (to turn this into a pissing contest)

Did you forget who taught you a shitload on BM ;) ?
I've not been to one single BM concert, but that doesn't take away that I do not know which bands perform and which not. I might not listen to a lot of BM anymore, but I didn't lose my knowledge on the matter!


Bah, you're not a qualified bmer any more. So my word > your word. If you ever renew your knowledge about the issue let me know so we can have a proper bm debate. Haha!


the word of an animal raper = the word of a Dutch guy


:wink: to the both of you


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Misha, I thought you've seen Gorgoroth and 1349 live!


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I don't think Misha or Kathaarian are wrong. Some underground bm bands play live, some don't. I'd say it is more a 50/50 thing rather than most do/don't.


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Call me crazy, but I'd be willing to wager that the majority of BM bands that don't play live are one or two man projects, which probably contributes the most to the fact that they don't play live.


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Misha, I thought you've seen Gorgoroth and 1349 live!

That's not undergound BM...


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Call me crazy, but I'd be willing to wager that the majority of BM bands that don't play live are one or two man projects, which probably contributes the most to the fact that they don't play live.


Probably. Are all the one man bands sole members antisocial loners? Like, depressed guys that cant and dont want to function in the normal world who spend most of the time alone and pretty much hate everything about humanity? I get that impression of Wrest form what ive read about him, and from what hes said in interviews.


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following the reaper wrote:
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Call me crazy, but I'd be willing to wager that the majority of BM bands that don't play live are one or two man projects, which probably contributes the most to the fact that they don't play live.


Probably. Are all the one man bands sole members antisocial loners? Like, depressed guys that cant and dont want to function in the normal world who spend most of the time alone and pretty much hate everything about humanity? I get that impression of Wrest form what ive read about him, and from what hes said in interviews.


Not really. Imperial from Krieg is probably the most antisocial crazy motherfucker I know but he does play live and has other members in the band. Most bm guys choose to be alone or with just one member because they like to be in control of everything and if you look at the whole bm underground most succesful bands are usually one member projects.


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That's only one side of black metal... many black metal bands play live.


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Kathaarian wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
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Call me crazy, but I'd be willing to wager that the majority of BM bands that don't play live are one or two man projects, which probably contributes the most to the fact that they don't play live.


Probably. Are all the one man bands sole members antisocial loners? Like, depressed guys that cant and dont want to function in the normal world who spend most of the time alone and pretty much hate everything about humanity? I get that impression of Wrest form what ive read about him, and from what hes said in interviews.


Not really. Imperial from Krieg is probably the most antisocial crazy motherfucker I know but he does play live and has other members in the band. Most bm guys choose to be alone or with just one member because they like to be in control of everything and if you look at the whole bm underground most succesful bands are usually one member projects.

Yeah, artistic control or the sheer inability to find other musicians are probably the two main factors there. I know I've met maybe 4 actual people in my lifetime that listen to Black Metal, so in some areas there isn't much of a choice.

And like EBD said, some do gig and some don't. I don't exactly have any statistics in front of me, but BM is fairly notable for the number of guys that don't/rarely play.


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Radical Cut wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
Call me crazy, but I'd be willing to wager that the majority of BM bands that don't play live are one or two man projects, which probably contributes the most to the fact that they don't play live.


Probably. Are all the one man bands sole members antisocial loners? Like, depressed guys that cant and dont want to function in the normal world who spend most of the time alone and pretty much hate everything about humanity? I get that impression of Wrest form what ive read about him, and from what hes said in interviews.


Not really. Imperial from Krieg is probably the most antisocial crazy motherfucker I know but he does play live and has other members in the band. Most bm guys choose to be alone or with just one member because they like to be in control of everything and if you look at the whole bm underground most succesful bands are usually one member projects.

Yeah, artistic control or the sheer inability to find other musicians are probably the two main factors there. I know I've met maybe 4 actual people in my lifetime that listen to Black Metal, so in some areas there isn't much of a choice.

And like EBD said, some do gig and some don't. I don't exactly have any statistics in front of me, but BM is fairly notable for the number of guys that don't/rarely play.


Yeah, until someone does a huge study I'm going with some do/some don't.


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