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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:49 am 
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Eyesore wrote:
Aaron, aren't you like 15? Jesus fuck! Stay the path of the righteous, dude. Damn.


I've been 16 since September, if that helps.


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Eyesore wrote:
Aaron, aren't you like 15? Jesus fuck! Stay the path of the righteous, dude. Damn.

I've been 16 since September, if that helps.

OK, 16. Congrats! :D


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:23 am 
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Interesting... Very interesting. I sleepwalk and talk, so that thing about the coffee can is really intriguing.

BTW, when I say pray, I mean hope success for you. Praying to God is what I do for myself. I should've said what I meant. Sorry.


S'allright. So... we cool again? Now that I've cooled down considerably?

As for the sleepwalking thing, it's always good to pay attention to where you are when you wake up. It's a subconscious thing, sleepwalking, so you'll usually be doing something related to desires that you have.


Yeah, we cool. This hothead has made his share of you-know-whats, so yeah.

And I agree on keeping track of where you are when you wake up. At least when you have the benefit of that. The only time I was lucky enough to wake up was a bad time, indeed... But, it fit the moment, and the pattern of events I'd followed for many previous nights in a fearful state. So, what you say makes sense.


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The way I see it, you can either control yourself or you can't, no middle line. I have experimented with various amounts of alcohol and know my limits, I drink a lot but aren't addicted, since I know where to take it to. The worse drug I've ever tried is pot, and don't do it frequently. I'm curious about others, but ultimately I can't see myself getting addicted because I've already been there once with tobacco.

Peoples' personal stories are interesting and insightful, but people are different, as Dago said. If you can't control yourself, you shouldn't be doing it. As Bill Hicks said about the LSD jumper-out-of-windows, "great, another idiot gone, he was ruining it for the rest of us". Yes, I know, but there's more than a grain of truth in that. Some people get affected by films and games too, doesn't make them automatically evil. It shows the hypocricy of governments, that they supress reports showing the benefits of marijuana, in favour of the tobacco tax fueling themselves.

In the end, it's a personal thing. No two people are going to experience the same thing, but the best we can do is advise people such as Daniel and Pete who are showing worrying signs of alcoholism. Experiencing life isn't worth ruining it.


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I have a strong aversion to being dependant on anything.. Actually to the point where I'm sometimes bothered by the fact that I have to eat and sleep.. I have been experimenting with different drugs the last 4 years but have never developed any kind of addiction. Sometimes the interval between my experiments can be months at the time.. I would never allow myself to be addicted.. As much as I respect the wise words of NFAE and the bitter experiences of Eyesore I'll say that drugs can be controlled...

I do drink quite a lot.. I'm not addicted though. It just tastes so damn good. Besides it is said to be a cultural thing.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:09 pm 
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First of all, this has developed into a great discussion. (I love this place).

Now, I know I'm addicted to alcohol. I love the feeling of having my mind clouded and relaxed, of feeling a bit more confident and of not really knowing what's going on (although the next day I can feel really really stupid) around me. It's an escape from a life I'm hating, and a world I generally detest.

I never thought it would come to this, but when I go out I really can't have fun if I'm not drunk, and it's a pain in the ass. First, because (as Aaron said) it rapes your wallet... yesterday I hit a bar with this girl and ended spending $70 on bloody alcohol. And second, because it can put you in a very dangerous place... your reflexes are reduced enormously, so you can get easily mugged, or a have a terrible car accident, or something as simple as acting like a jerk with a girl you like or spilling your drink on the girl you're with (as I did yesterday... again). And of course, it can destroy your life... you loose interest in everything except the drug you need, or you can OD.

Reasons vary, some people take drugs to experience new things, some others to escape reality... but it always comes down to fuckin' up your life.

I'm living this now... this is not a story from someone who is in rehab, or someone who avoids drugs, or someone who takes them and (thinks he) isn't addicted. I KNOW I'm fucked, and I can feel how each time I need it more and want it more. I don't know if I can stop now, but I really don't want to, but I can tell you this: When you least expect it, you'll realize that drug you have controled, in fact controls you... so I think that the best advice is to avoid them as much as you can... but I must confess that even though I know it's stupid, it's probable that I'll try a few heavy drugs (E, LSD, shrooms, maybe some coke... never heroin) some day just to now how it feels like.

Also, NewFriendAncientEnemy... that long post you made was killer.

Lizardtail: Man... be careful... Paracetamol can easily kill you in high doses... what where you doing? syrup DXM? That stuff's awesome, just get the syrup without Paracetamol (and Guaifenesin... which may (or may not) make you puke and will fuck your liver if you do it very much).

Anyway... to wrap this all up... some people say "Abstinence is for monks, addiction for the weak". I don't think that's true. I think everyone can get addicted (even the strongest will can be bent with heroin), so avoid the shit.

I'm not sure if I can, but I'll try... just not now.


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Thus why I avoid drugs altogether. :D


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Hello everybody,this thread has caused me to no longer lurk in the shadows.It is most unfortunate what has happened to Dave Wyndorf,but this thread is definately emotion stirring.

Personally I agree for the most part with Eyesore.I would however add pot to the list,though I dislike all drugs.This is of course my opinion so please take that into consideration.Thankfully in my life I have been raised with a fair amount of values and one I have learned to take to heart is the danger in any drug,regardless of how harmless the user's intentions are/were.

My mom(yes I actually am an adult and have a relationship with my parents)works at a community counseling center,and from what I have personally witnessed,even from those where I work,any drug including pot can be life threatening.With the conversations I have had with doctors and psychiatrists,and largely the counselors that have to deal with addicts nearly 365,one of the worst things someone can do is make the excuse that "they can handle it" and the old "moderation is key" line.

True we all have a means of escape from our lives,but there are other ways to occupy one's time and certainly healthier habbits and hobbies we can adopt.Please,to anyone who thinks they can handle it,be careful.It is very serious,and should not be taken lightly.

While I have seen the horrors of the clinic,the worst case is the one embedded in my mind forever.My uncle who thought he could moderate his pot use and is now wearing a straight jacket and gets to wear a really neat bathrobe and look out of barred windows when he is having a "good day".I am so glad I am happy with myself enough to not have to rely on a substance to ease my pain.I can only hope Dave tries to make a change in his life for the better.


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Interesting stories you all! For myself, I think a drank a little too much alcohol. The day when I took 18 shots in an hour and a half without getting sick was the day I decided to drink no more than 5 drinks per evening. I think I was well in time with that, as I had no problem with the quote at all. I didn't feel addicted, I just felt that my tollerance was getting to be a bit higher than on normal people, and wanted to stop it before becomming addicted. That's about 3 months ago... I still have no problem with it...


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