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BWahahahhaha!!! Just more proof of how stupid Mayhem is (and most BM.. err, Metal)


Misha, we get it. In time, this'll become just as tired as Holy_Terror's incessant 'Metal sucks now!' choruses that accompanied seemingly every other review back in the day.

You don't like metal. Great. We get it. Post-rock, experimental jazz, and randomcore is the way to go. We get it. Unsophisticated trash, blah blah blah blah WE GET IT ALREADY.



I'm glad I'm not the only one tired of hearing that. I blame Stefan.


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Kathaarian wrote:
Dead Machine wrote:
Misha wrote:
BWahahahhaha!!! Just more proof of how stupid Mayhem is (and most BM.. err, Metal)


Misha, we get it. In time, this'll become just as tired as Holy_Terror's incessant 'Metal sucks now!' choruses that accompanied seemingly every other review back in the day.

You don't like metal. Great. We get it. Post-rock, experimental jazz, and randomcore is the way to go. We get it. Unsophisticated trash, blah blah blah blah WE GET IT ALREADY.



I'm glad I'm not the only one tired of hearing that. I blame Stefan.

I'm sorry, I won't say it that much any more... I still listen to metal though... Black metal included.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:55 am 
Kind of cool. A professional anthropologist (which I'm taking a course in right now) write a full-fledged documentary about heavy metal. Too bad this probably won't be released here in the states.

Oh, and by the way, that Mayhem video reminded me of the outro for the album 1977 by Ash (a Scottish alternative band). Hearing them belt out "Fuck You!!!" in those accents always cracks me up (no offense to anybody here on this board).


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well that's like awesome but i won't be able to see that ever. I can say "if that movie ever gets to any theater here I will shoot myself in the head with a watergun til i die" without any fears of that ever happening.


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If it comes to the U.S. I'll be sure to see it. Probably won't, though. :(


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Kathaarian wrote:
Dead Machine wrote:
Misha wrote:
BWahahahhaha!!! Just more proof of how stupid Mayhem is (and most BM.. err, Metal)


Misha, we get it. In time, this'll become just as tired as Holy_Terror's incessant 'Metal sucks now!' choruses that accompanied seemingly every other review back in the day.

You don't like metal. Great. We get it. Post-rock, experimental jazz, and randomcore is the way to go. We get it. Unsophisticated trash, blah blah blah blah WE GET IT ALREADY.



I'm glad I'm not the only one tired of hearing that. I blame Stefan.

+1

The film is out in the UK on 28th April. W00t!


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Misha wrote:
BWahahahhaha!!! Just more proof of how stupid Mayhem is (and most BM.. err, Metal)


The majority of metal sucks. But so does the majority of all music.


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Jürgen wrote:
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BWahahahhaha!!! Just more proof of how stupid Mayhem is (and most BM.. err, Metal)


The majority of metal sucks. But so does the majority of all music.

That's exactly what I meant.


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Misha wrote:
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BWahahahhaha!!! Just more proof of how stupid Mayhem is (and most BM.. err, Metal)


The majority of metal sucks. But so does the majority of all music.

That's exactly what I meant.


I disagree. What are we calling "metal", here?


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Misha wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Misha wrote:
BWahahahhaha!!! Just more proof of how stupid Mayhem is (and most BM.. err, Metal)


The majority of metal sucks. But so does the majority of all music.

That's exactly what I meant.


I disagree. What are we calling "metal", here?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_music

I like metal. But music can be metal and still suck.


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Jürgen wrote:
Zad wrote:
Misha wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Misha wrote:
BWahahahhaha!!! Just more proof of how stupid Mayhem is (and most BM.. err, Metal)


The majority of metal sucks. But so does the majority of all music.

That's exactly what I meant.


I disagree. What are we calling "metal", here?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_music

I like metal. But music can be metal and still suck.


Well, I'd say the majority of that was good.


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Zad wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Zad wrote:
Misha wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Misha wrote:
BWahahahhaha!!! Just more proof of how stupid Mayhem is (and most BM.. err, Metal)


The majority of metal sucks. But so does the majority of all music.

That's exactly what I meant.


I disagree. What are we calling "metal", here?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_music

I like metal. But music can be metal and still suck.


Well, I'd say the majority of that was good.


and a big LOL to the term 'mini-moshers' :lol:


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Zad wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Zad wrote:
Misha wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Misha wrote:
BWahahahhaha!!! Just more proof of how stupid Mayhem is (and most BM.. err, Metal)


The majority of metal sucks. But so does the majority of all music.

That's exactly what I meant.


I disagree. What are we calling "metal", here?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_music

I like metal. But music can be metal and still suck.


Well, I'd say the majority of that was good.


You missed the point, as usual.

Let's put it this way: You don't like Manowar, for example. But you can't really deny their metalness (no pun intended).

Metal is a style of music, inside which there is good and bad music. The majority is bad. Simple as that.


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Jürgen wrote:
You missed the point, as usual.

Let's put it this way: You don't like Manowar, for example. But you can't really deny their metalness (no pun intended).

Metal is a style of music, inside which there is good and bad music. The majority is bad. Simple as that.


"As usual"?

I don't like Manowar, but i'm not saying they're bad. I meant more along the mallcore line, hence my question, "What are we calling metal?"
So now who missed the point?


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Zad wrote:
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You missed the point, as usual.

Let's put it this way: You don't like Manowar, for example. But you can't really deny their metalness (no pun intended).

Metal is a style of music, inside which there is good and bad music. The majority is bad. Simple as that.


"As usual"?

I don't like Manowar, but i'm not saying they're bad. I meant more along the mallcore line, hence my question, "What are we calling metal?"
So now who missed the point?


Okay. Mallcore sucks. But real metal can suck too. My point still stands.


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Jürgen wrote:

Okay. Mallcore sucks. But real metal can suck too. My point still stands.


Examples, please. And you ignored the "as usual" bit...


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I can agree that subjectively, 90% of anything in any given field sucks.. objectively it's not for anyone to decide.


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I can agree that subjectively, 90% of anything in any given field sucks.. objectively it's not for anyone to decide.


Exactly. Food is rubbish.


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Zad wrote:
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Okay. Mallcore sucks. But real metal can suck too. My point still stands.


Examples, please. And you ignored the "as usual" bit...


Examples: pretty much any power metal band, most BM (although the situation with BM was worse in the 90's, when every other kid with a guitar started playing BM), most DM and so on...

I think Rhapsody, Dimmu Borgir and Cannibal Corpse suck, but they're all still metal.

Metal is a genre of music, not a sign of quality.

This is all subjective, of course.


The "as usual"-bit meant that you often seem to ignore other's arguments and repeat your own arguments ad nauseam when debating. But i quess that's just your style. :P


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lizardtail wrote:
I can agree that subjectively, 90% of anything in any given field sucks.. objectively it's not for anyone to decide.


Debating art objectively rarely leads to good conversations! :lol:


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