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why do I have the feeling that this is a pop song with PM arrangements ? :? because it is probably

anyway, the song is better than the video...


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why do I have the feeling that this is a pop song with PM arrangements ? :? because it is probably

I dunno, probably for the same reason you think Avenged Sevenfold is Power Metal.


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That's beyond gay. However, I like gay. And power metal, as long as it's catchy, will always rule in my book.


I have a feeling you and I like a shit ton of the same bands.


Well, I like PQ, Edguy, Strato, Sonata Arctica, Insania, old Dark Moor etc. ...


Insania? Who do they sound like?


Basically like Helloween and Stratovarius. But good shit. Check out Fantasy.


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That's beyond gay. However, I like gay. And power metal, as long as it's catchy, will always rule in my book.


I have a feeling you and I like a shit ton of the same bands.


Well, I like PQ, Edguy, Strato, Sonata Arctica, Insania, old Dark Moor etc. ...


Insania? Who do they sound like?


Basically like Helloween and Stratovarius. But good shit. Check out Fantasy.


Will do.


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Hrmm that video doesn't really do the song justice I don't think. At least it is good to see these guys getting some attention. They deserve it. FUCK ME RUNNING when the hell will this album come out in the U.S. mother of god!!!

And is it me or did that second video seem faked somehow? If not, then this man is most certainly Asian. Kind of funny whoever brought up the Asian thing, whenever my friends and I are playing Halo and some guy comes along and wipes us all out in one shot, we just say, "Must be some Asian kid." :wink:

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I really liked the song, but listened to the whole album and damn is it all the same! It's powerful and fast but gets boring after no more than two spins...
Btw i give this song a 9/10


Dago that is twice now you have complained about these songs all sounding the same. Yet you seem to lke Cryptopsy, Bolt Thrower, The Dillenger Escape Plan, and Nile?


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Hrmm that video doesn't really do the song justice I don't think. At least it is good to see these guys getting some attention. They deserve it. FUCK ME RUNNING when the hell will this album come out in the U.S. mother of god!!!

And is it me or did that second video seem faked somehow? If not, then this man is most certainly Asian. Kind of funny whoever brought up the Asian thing, whenever my friends and I are playing Halo and some guy comes along and wipes us all out in one shot, we just say, "Must be some Asian kid." :wink:

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I really liked the song, but listened to the whole album and damn is it all the same! It's powerful and fast but gets boring after no more than two spins...
Btw i give this song a 9/10


Dago that is twice now you have complained about these songs all sounding the same. Yet you seem to lke Cryptopsy, Bolt Thrower, The Dillenger Escape Plan, and Nile?


1. You're a racist.
2. Cryptopsy's songs aren't all the same. Neither are Dillinger's or Nile's.


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Hrmm that video doesn't really do the song justice I don't think. At least it is good to see these guys getting some attention. They deserve it. FUCK ME RUNNING when the hell will this album come out in the U.S. mother of god!!!

And is it me or did that second video seem faked somehow? If not, then this man is most certainly Asian. Kind of funny whoever brought up the Asian thing, whenever my friends and I are playing Halo and some guy comes along and wipes us all out in one shot, we just say, "Must be some Asian kid." :wink:

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I really liked the song, but listened to the whole album and damn is it all the same! It's powerful and fast but gets boring after no more than two spins...
Btw i give this song a 9/10

Dago that is twice now you have complained about these songs all sounding the same. Yet you seem to lke Cryptopsy, Bolt Thrower, The Dillenger Escape Plan, and Nile?


1. You're a racist.
2. Cryptopsy's songs aren't all the same. Neither are Dillinger's or Nile's.
Dude, did he just call DEP as predictable as Dragonforce?

lol?

Theres a difference between sound and song structures


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why do I have the feeling that this is a pop song with PM arrangements ? :? because it is probably

I dunno, probably for the same reason you think Avenged Sevenfold is Power Metal.


I find it funny you guys hate pop while most of your beloved PM bands are nothing but disguised pop bands :roll:


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Hrmm that video doesn't really do the song justice I don't think. At least it is good to see these guys getting some attention. They deserve it. FUCK ME RUNNING when the hell will this album come out in the U.S. mother of god!!!

And is it me or did that second video seem faked somehow? If not, then this man is most certainly Asian. Kind of funny whoever brought up the Asian thing, whenever my friends and I are playing Halo and some guy comes along and wipes us all out in one shot, we just say, "Must be some Asian kid." :wink:

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I really liked the song, but listened to the whole album and damn is it all the same! It's powerful and fast but gets boring after no more than two spins...
Btw i give this song a 9/10


Dago that is twice now you have complained about these songs all sounding the same. Yet you seem to lke Cryptopsy, Bolt Thrower, The Dillenger Escape Plan, and Nile?



Yeah cause besides BT which sounds all the same (i admit it) the other 3 bands never sounded the same for me.

Also why did you choose those specific 4 bands? :?
I also listen to many other things.


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Radagast wrote:
Stefan wrote:
why do I have the feeling that this is a pop song with PM arrangements ? :? because it is probably

I dunno, probably for the same reason you think Avenged Sevenfold is Power Metal.

That sounds about right. :lol:


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Also why did you choose those specific 4 bands?


Well you see, I wrote down the names of some bands and threw them them all in a hat, and those were the four I drew. (I picked them because I have read your posts on them, obviously I don't know every band you like.)

Look I am not saying there is anything wrong with an album that doesn't change a whole lot. It just seems to me that there is this double standard in Metal where if a more upbeat power metal type band like Dragonforce plays the same bright lightening fast music through a whole album, they will get criticized for it. But on the other hand if some psycho heavy as fuck band never changes in any way then they are true and bad ass. (but god help them if they try to do something different.)

I am the proud owner of several Nile albums, but lets face it, super low gurgly vocals, tons of blast beats, and middle eastern acoustic pieces thrown in here and there. Yea, that would basically describe all the Nile song I own, not to mention that just about every song has something to do with Egyptian mysticism. And there's no denying Bolt Thrower's repetitiveness, they've built a reputation on it in fact.

I had at one point (before I traded it) a copy of Once Was Not. It's basiaclly an album of pure drumming. It KIND OF sounded like maybe there were some vocals and some guitars way in the background, I'm not sure. Just non-stop drumming for about 40 minutes. Shit they had to throw in all those sampled intro thingys just so you could tell when one song ended and another began.

Dillenger Escape plan seem like they are cool guys from what I have read from them, they reall do. And I may go back and give them another chance. (I tried just now, and of course the fucking samples on the fucking site, don't fucking work.) Believe me, I have heard every bullshit argument there is about "mathematics" and "song structures," but at the end of the day, every track on Miss Machine sounds like every other track. (a big freaking mess.)

Point is all these bands do, in fact, have albums that are hard to distinguish one track from another. And that's NOT a bad thing, it's perfectly fine actually. I just don't understand why some bands get praised for it and other get the shaft.


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Stefan wrote:
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why do I have the feeling that this is a pop song with PM arrangements ? :? because it is probably

I dunno, probably for the same reason you think Avenged Sevenfold is Power Metal.


I find it funny you guys hate pop while most of your beloved PM bands are nothing but disguised pop bands :roll:

Yeah, whatever makes you feel special, Stef. >ROLL<

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Look I am not saying there is anything wrong with an album that doesn't change a whole lot. It just seems to me that there is this double standard in Metal where if a more upbeat power metal type band like Dragonforce plays the same bright lightening fast music through a whole album, they will get criticized for it. But on the other hand if some psycho heavy as fuck band never changes in any way then they are true and bad ass.

[other agreeable stuff]

Point is all these bands do, in fact, have albums that are hard to distinguish one track from another. And that's NOT a bad thing, it's perfectly fine actually. I just don't understand why some bands get praised for it and other get the shaft.


Right on, tell it sister!


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Also why did you choose those specific 4 bands?


Well you see, I wrote down the names of some bands and threw them them all in a hat, and those were the four I drew. (I picked them because I have read your posts on them, obviously I don't know every band you like.)

Look I am not saying there is anything wrong with an album that doesn't change a whole lot. It just seems to me that there is this double standard in Metal where if a more upbeat power metal type band like Dragonforce plays the same bright lightening fast music through a whole album, they will get criticized for it. But on the other hand if some psycho heavy as fuck band never changes in any way then they are true and bad ass. (but god help them if they try to do something different.)

I am the proud owner of several Nile albums, but lets face it, super low gurgly vocals, tons of blast beats, and middle eastern acoustic pieces thrown in here and there. Yea, that would basically describe all the Nile song I own, not to mention that just about every song has something to do with Egyptian mysticism. And there's no denying Bolt Thrower's repetitiveness, they've built a reputation on it in fact.

I had at one point (before I traded it) a copy of Once Was Not. It's basiaclly an album of pure drumming. It KIND OF sounded like maybe there were some vocals and some guitars way in the background, I'm not sure. Just non-stop drumming for about 40 minutes. Shit they had to throw in all those sampled intro thingys just so you could tell when one song ended and another began.

Dillenger Escape plan seem like they are cool guys from what I have read from them, they reall do. And I may go back and give them another chance. (I tried just now, and of course the fucking samples on the fucking site, don't fucking work.) Believe me, I have heard every bullshit argument there is about "mathematics" and "song structures," but at the end of the day, every track on Miss Machine sounds like every other track. (a big freaking mess.)

Point is all these bands do, in fact, have albums that are hard to distinguish one track from another. And that's NOT a bad thing, it's perfectly fine actually. I just don't understand why some bands get praised for it and other get the shaft.


Bull. Shit. You lack the musical ability to tell, that's all. Of course Nile songs are different:

Sarcofagus vs Annihilation Of The Wicked

Ditto Cryptopsy:

The Pestilence That Walketh In The Darkness vs Carrionshine

Yes, they have their own sound that makes them different from other bands, but their songs are not all the same (BT I'll accept...). Another example: Sunn O))). Their tracks may sound the same, but they're not. It takes time and concentration to experience it. Some music has more depth to it than may initially appear on the surface, and if you can't discover it you have no right listening to extreme music.


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Also why did you choose those specific 4 bands?


Well you see, I wrote down the names of some bands and threw them them all in a hat, and those were the four I drew. (I picked them because I have read your posts on them, obviously I don't know every band you like.)

Look I am not saying there is anything wrong with an album that doesn't change a whole lot. It just seems to me that there is this double standard in Metal where if a more upbeat power metal type band like Dragonforce plays the same bright lightening fast music through a whole album, they will get criticized for it. But on the other hand if some psycho heavy as fuck band never changes in any way then they are true and bad ass. (but god help them if they try to do something different.)

I am the proud owner of several Nile albums, but lets face it, super low gurgly vocals, tons of blast beats, and middle eastern acoustic pieces thrown in here and there. Yea, that would basically describe all the Nile song I own, not to mention that just about every song has something to do with Egyptian mysticism. And there's no denying Bolt Thrower's repetitiveness, they've built a reputation on it in fact.

I had at one point (before I traded it) a copy of Once Was Not. It's basiaclly an album of pure drumming. It KIND OF sounded like maybe there were some vocals and some guitars way in the background, I'm not sure. Just non-stop drumming for about 40 minutes. Shit they had to throw in all those sampled intro thingys just so you could tell when one song ended and another began.

Dillenger Escape plan seem like they are cool guys from what I have read from them, they reall do. And I may go back and give them another chance. (I tried just now, and of course the fucking samples on the fucking site, don't fucking work.) Believe me, I have heard every bullshit argument there is about "mathematics" and "song structures," but at the end of the day, every track on Miss Machine sounds like every other track. (a big freaking mess.)

Point is all these bands do, in fact, have albums that are hard to distinguish one track from another. And that's NOT a bad thing, it's perfectly fine actually. I just don't understand why some bands get praised for it and other get the shaft.


Man, i do not feel the same way you do when i listen to those bands.
I can always find something new in the songs, some details that if you do not pay attention to you won't recognize.
But in Dragonforce the music is straightforward, it's like that and i do not need to re-listen to see if there is something that i missed.
That's just how i feel and i know not many people are like me..(fortunately :) )


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Bull. Shit. You lack the musical ability to tell, that's all. Of course Nile songs are different.


Sorry Zad, but that is a bull shit statement. People hear things different. Just b/c he can't hear what makes Nile so special doesn't mean he "lacks musical ability." That’s a pretty messed up thing to say dude.


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Bull. Shit. You lack the musical ability to tell, that's all. Of course Nile songs are different.


Sorry Zad, but that is a bull shit statement. People hear things different. Just b/c he can't hear what makes Nile so special doesn't mean he "lacks musical ability." That’s a pretty messed up thing to say dude.


I stand by it. It takes real concentration to penetrate heavy music, if you haven't got it, you haven't got it. You basically said it in a less harsh way yourself...


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Bull. Shit. You lack the musical ability to tell, that's all. Of course Nile songs are different.


Sorry Zad, but that is a bull shit statement. People hear things different. Just b/c he can't hear what makes Nile so special doesn't mean he "lacks musical ability." That’s a pretty messed up thing to say dude.


I stand by it. It takes real concentration to penetrate heavy music, if you haven't got it, you haven't got it. You basically said it in a less harsh way yourself...

I could just as easily turn it round and say you can't tell DragonForce songs apart because you lack the musical knowledge (whatever the fuck that is) to do so. This whole argument basically stems from the moronic assumption that the extreme genres are automatically more 'proper' and 'credible' music than Power Metal.


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I could just as easily turn it round and say you can't tell DragonForce songs apart because you lack the musical knowledge (whatever the fuck that is) to do so. This whole argument basically stems from the moronic assumption that the extreme genres are automatically more 'proper' and 'credible' music than Power Metal.


Not at all. You can't deny PM is less complex than Extreme Metal, and I never said 'twas more "proper" or "credible".


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Bull. Shit. You lack the musical ability to tell, that's all. Of course Nile songs are different.


Sorry Zad, but that is a bull shit statement. People hear things different. Just b/c he can't hear what makes Nile so special doesn't mean he "lacks musical ability." That’s a pretty messed up thing to say dude.


I stand by it. It takes real concentration to penetrate heavy music, if you haven't got it, you haven't got it. You basically said it in a less harsh way yourself...


No I didn't. You're twisting my words around. He doesn't hear what makes Nile so special, so what? His taste in music is obviously different, so I say your statement was out of line.


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Zad wrote:
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I could just as easily turn it round and say you can't tell DragonForce songs apart because you lack the musical knowledge (whatever the fuck that is) to do so. This whole argument basically stems from the moronic assumption that the extreme genres are automatically more 'proper' and 'credible' music than Power Metal.


Not at all. You can't deny PM is less complex than Extreme Metal, and I never said 'twas more "proper" or "credible".


Are you sersiously trying to tell me Pagan's Mind are less complex than Cannibal Corpse?

There is no dividing line of "style x is more complex than style y"


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