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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:47 pm 
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Last Tribe doesn´t exist no more


how do u know this?

I thought i read somewhere they were near releasing their next album.....?


Last Tribe hasn't disbanded yet as far as I know. They are pretty much on hold because Magnus Karlsson is involved in many different projects.
Haven't heard anything about a new album soon.


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Blabbermouth isn´t a 100% reliable source of news but, most of the time they´re right.


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I don't care if bands have christian members, I do care if a band has a christian message in their music. Its fine if they want to do this, I just wont listen.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 3:26 pm 
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There are several christian bands with christian messages in their lyrivs that I listen to but, I never listen to the lyrics. I always listen to the music, performance and the vocal arrangements so, personally I´m not bothered by christian bands. I was just stating an example. No bands (except´Stryper) that sings about christian messages (like Divine fire) has become very famous.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:41 pm 
Holy_Terror wrote:
I don't care if bands have christian members, I do care if a band has a christian message in their music. Its fine if they want to do this, I just wont listen.

Why? There are a million Christian bands out there that are great! You like Helloween, right?


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:56 pm 
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Eyesore:
You are getting me wrong. YES, there are THOÙSANDS of CHRISTIAN bands that I listen to including Helloween but, to take Helloween as an example...Helloween do not sing christan lyrics with christian messages about the mighty lord. The bandmembers might be christians but, they do not include their christian beliefs or messages in their lyrics like Divine Fire, Stryper, Narnia, Petra etc does. Dream Theater is christians but, they do not write lyrics about it. Do you get my point now?;)


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 9:15 pm 
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Eyesore:
You are getting me wrong. YES, there are THOÙSANDS of CHRISTIAN bands that I listen to including Helloween but, to take Helloween as an example...Helloween do not sing christan lyrics with christian messages about the mighty lord. The bandmembers might be christians but, they do not include their christian beliefs or messages in their lyrics like Divine Fire, Stryper, Narnia, Petra etc does. Dream Theater is christians but, they do not write lyrics about it. Do you get my point now?;)


you just PWND him :twisted: I'm sure is not going to like it... :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:00 pm 
P-Roggy wrote:
Eyesore:
You are getting me wrong. YES, there are THOÙSANDS of CHRISTIAN bands that I listen to including Helloween but, to take Helloween as an example...Helloween do not sing christan lyrics with christian messages about the mighty lord. The bandmembers might be christians but, they do not include their christian beliefs or messages in their lyrics like Divine Fire, Stryper, Narnia, Petra etc does. Dream Theater is christians but, they do not write lyrics about it. Do you get my point now?;)

Well, I was replying to Holy_Terror, but if you think Helloween don't sing about Christianity and God in their lyrics you're out of your fucking mind! Hehehe. There are religious themes all over Helloween albums!


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:10 pm 
Stefan wrote:
P-Roggy wrote:
Eyesore:
You are getting me wrong. YES, there are THOÙSANDS of CHRISTIAN bands that I listen to including Helloween but, to take Helloween as an example...Helloween do not sing christan lyrics with christian messages about the mighty lord. The bandmembers might be christians but, they do not include their christian beliefs or messages in their lyrics like Divine Fire, Stryper, Narnia, Petra etc does. Dream Theater is christians but, they do not write lyrics about it. Do you get my point now?;)

you just PWND him :twisted: I'm sure is not going to like it... :roll:

You're also out of your mind, apparently. Here's a bit of "ownage" for you both. Let's go with the blatantly obvious:

I Believe

Give me two strong arms to fight my enemies
Give me two strong eyes to see the truth
Give me two strong legs I think I have to run
And fill my heart will faith that I won't lose
I don't wanna lose

Give me one real love that I don't freeze out there
Make me feel your presence in the night
Give me one strong heart that tells me when I lie
And take my soul so I won't have to hide
I don't wanna hide

it's so cold deep down here
I know we had to fall
Souls are dying everywhere
But whatever I do I believe

There'll be no reason to live
Without you giving me light
There is so much that you give
Your love is shining so bright
I believe...

I wanna love but I always hate
I wanna give but I always take
Want you to laugh but I make you cry
No I won't change until I die
It's so much easier said than done
I know I can't just always run
Got so much anger inside of me
I understand but I think I see what I'm not

I know it's true what J.C. said
I got it all clear in my head
Seems we were born to be unfair
I am a sinner that's starting to dare to believe
Give me your hand until the end
And I will walk into the promised land
I don't deserve anything you do
But I can't stop loving you

No more lies, no false religions
No more whys and wrong God missions
No shiny T.V. priests begging for cash
No more wars that no God's never asked for

There's a way back out of here
One day we're going home
Tell everyone who wants to hear
Whatever you do:

Do believe, I believe, we believe, believe oh!

Hey Lord!

Pleasure or pain
Cold or fire
Love against disdain
Hope or despair
Truth or liar
Normal or insane
Do you know wat to choose?
It can't happen you lose
Like the stars need the light
No left without right

Hey lord, hey lord
Life is striking as you taught
Hey lord, hey lord
Time is running, time is short
Hey lord (What is it all about?)

Good or profane
Odd or even
All is face to face
Sinner and saint
Serve each other
Life is called this place

Do you know what to choose?
It can't happen you lose
Like the stars need the light
No left without right

Hey lord, hey lord
Life is striking as you taught
Hey lord, hey lord
Time is running, time is short
Hey lord

Hey lord, hey lord
Life is striking, life is short
Hey lord, hey lord
Time is running, time is short
Hey lord, hey lord
Why did you want us so wayward?

(what is it all about?)

Laudate Dominum (aka: Hail Be To God)

(partial English translation)

Halleluja, homines,
Gaudete de domino,
Qui donat vita omnes, quod amat nos!

Rejoice, men,
About the Lord,
Who gives everyone life, because he loves us!

Halleluja, mi deus,
Tu vivis omnipotens,
Tu es semper, benignus, tu amas nos!

Oh God of mine,
You live all-powerful,
You are always kind, you love us!

Pater noster in caelis
Totum orbem terrae regnat
Et vincit diabolum timorem
Et omnium hominum

Our father in the heavens
Rules the whole world
And defeats wicked fear
Of all men

O laudate dominum!
Praedicate deum
Amate creatorem,
Qui creavit mundum
Oh, laudate dominum!

Oh praise the lord!
Boast of God,
Love the father,
Who created the earth.
Oh praise the lord!

Ecce, et te vult Jesus liberare,
Ducere per vitam tuus amicus, gaude tu!

Look, Jesus also wishes to free you,
Your friend (wishes) to lead (you) through life, praise (him)!

Amici, dimittite
Mente malam pravamque!
Anima accipite salvam fidem!

Friends, break away evil
And wrong from the mind!
Receive sound faith in your heart!

Jesus Christus in cruce
De vita decessit dolens
Sed de morte resurrexit lux mundi nova

Jesus Christ on the cross, sad,
Retired from life
But a new light arose from his death

O laudate dominum!
Filium Jesum Christum
Omnium redemptorem
Et spiritum sanctum!
O laudate dominum! ...

Oh praise the lord!
Jesus Christ, the son,
Savior of all
And a sacred spirit!
Oh praise the lord!

Shall I continue?? Now, piss off, both of ya!! 8) There are Christian lyrics on EVERY Helloween album. Eyesore wins again! Whoohoo!


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:41 pm 
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Eyesore wrote:
There are Christian lyrics on EVERY Helloween album. Eyesore wins again! Whoohoo!


Agreed. Better Than Raw is an obvious example.

And, they are one of the bigger bands in the genre. So, P-Roggy, music about Christianity has nothing to do with success. Although I do see where you would get that impression.

I'd also like to bring up Theocracy again who is another obvious Christian band. They will be very big, IMO, with their next release and they use obvious Christian lyrics.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:55 pm 
metalNESS wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
There are Christian lyrics on EVERY Helloween album. Eyesore wins again! Whoohoo!

Agreed. Better Than Raw is an obvious example.

And, they are one of the bigger bands in the genre. So, P-Roggy, music about Christianity has nothing to do with success. Although I do see where you would get that impression.

I'd also like to bring up Theocracy again who is another obvious Christian band. They will be very big, IMO, with their next release and they use obvious Christian lyrics.

Well, Christians support Christian work with the same amount of devotion that blacks support hip-hop. It's not always just about the quality of the product, but what the product is, or represents in the big picture. I can see a less than great Christian band doing very well if they could somehow employ that net over the Christian masses.

And yes, Theocracy will do very well. It's the music that matters most, not what is being said.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:46 pm 
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I disagree with Helloween having cristian themes all over their albums. Now and again perhaps there is a hint of it but not on every song, far from. What im trying to say is I wouldn't put them anywhere near the cathegory that Theocracy falls in, although the bandmembers might be christian.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:54 pm 
Scion wrote:
I disagree with Helloween having cristian themes all over their albums. Now and again perhaps there is a hint of it but not on every song, far from. What im trying to say is I wouldn't put them anywhere near the cathegory that Theocracy falls in, although the bandmembers might be christian.

No, not every song is blatantly Christian, but the themes are definitely there on every album. It's plain as day.


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:19 am 
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Alot of bands I've never heard were mentioned... There should be more description of what they sounds like, even if it is simply:

Helloween worship.

Blind Guardian clone.

etc.

>= D

Hibria, Kiuas, Dark Empire, Adagio, Persuader, etc... If someone could. I'll check the site, too, in case of reviews. But, then again, who know's WHAT I'll buy. I'd like to say I haven't grown tired of the scene, but alas.


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Eyesore wrote:
No, not every song is blatantly Christian, but the themes are definitely there on every album. It's plain as day.


What is christian on say, the dark ride? Is salvation nessecarily christian becuase it talks about paradise? I wouldn't say so. I dont think We damn the Night must be interpreted as christian either. There are obvious christian references on few of the songs, thats right as rain.


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Eyesore wrote:
Well, Christians support Christian work with the same amount of devotion that blacks support hip-hop. It's not always just about the quality of the product, but what the product is, or represents in the big picture. I can see a less than great Christian band doing very well if they could somehow employ that net over the Christian masses.


Right, but your typical metal head wouldn't dig it. That's why I use Helloween and Theocracy as examples. They are/were able to spread there awesomness by way of music, not message. I get what you're saying though.


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:14 am 
metalNESS wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
Well, Christians support Christian work with the same amount of devotion that blacks support hip-hop. It's not always just about the quality of the product, but what the product is, or represents in the big picture. I can see a less than great Christian band doing very well if they could somehow employ that net over the Christian masses.

Right, but your typical metal head wouldn't dig it. That's why I use Helloween and Theocracy as examples. They are/were able to spread there awesomness by way of music, not message. I get what you're saying though.

Right, it all depends on how it's packaged. If Helloween or Theocracy were package and presented in a manner such as DC Talk, Jars Of Clay or Amy Grant then no way would the typical metalhead even take a second glance at it.


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 1:18 am 
Scion wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
No, not every song is blatantly Christian, but the themes are definitely there on every album. It's plain as day.


What is christian on say, the dark ride? Is salvation nessecarily christian becuase it talks about paradise? I wouldn't say so. I dont think We damn the Night must be interpreted as christian either. There are obvious christian references on few of the songs, thats right as rain.

Dude, I suggest you do a little research on The Dark Ride.


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I would enjoy writing christian songs! Purifing heathens, killing heritics, slaying evil! The Crusades are the most metal thing since vikings!


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I think iv'e done enough research on it. If you know of any obvious reference Id be glad if you would point it out. If you mean Immortal I could understand why, but I don't think it must specifically be about christian belief.


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