Eternal Idol wrote:
I'm not trying to change shit. I was there just as much as you were. If anything, people like you are trying to change history by selling people this lie that Kurt Cobain knew how to write songs. Most people knew Smells Like Teen Spirit and Heart Shaped Box and that was it. There wasn't very many TRUE fans of the band until after he died. Then he dies, and he's made a martyr for an entire generation, even though without Butch Vig Nevermind wouldn't have been even half the album that it is. Listen to Insecticide dude, that's Kurt left to his own devices and it's an incoherent mess. There isn't any songwriting to speak of on that album, much less good songwriting. Bleach isn't really much better, and In Utero goes right back to the anti-music shit that he liked to write. Producers are an important part of any band, look at Leppard with Mutt Lange, or Metallica with Bob Rock. Bob Rock made Metallica into the superstars they are now, and Lange made both AC/DC and Leppard into superstars, not too mention Shania Twain. Look and see how many writing credits Lange has on Hysteria. Butch Vig had more to do with Nirvana's success than most people like to admit. Kurt did write the stuff, but Butch turned it into a platinum album.
Only on Bleach was Nirvana "moderately" popular.
I am no sheep, my friend. Kurt Cobain wrote great songs.
Nevermind was not masterminded by Butch Vig, did he write those songs or were they written beforehand?
Smells Like Teen Spirit and Heart-Shaped Box are the only songs people know? That is ridiculous!
1. About A Girl
2. Negative Creep
3. Smells Like Teen Spirit
4. In Bloom
5. Come As You Are
6. Breed
7. Lithium
8. Heart-Shaped Box
9. Rape Me
10. Pennyroyal Tea
11. All Apologies
12. Aneurysm
13. Sliver
14. You Know You're Right
15. The Man Who Sold The World
16. Lake Of Fire
17. Where Did You Sleep Last Night
17 songs, all of them are songs played on the radio all the time,
still. You can't make comments on the uneven nature of Incesticide, it's a b-sides album! It doesn't make for a good argument to point out that songs on a b-sides album aren't up to standard considering they're generally leftover tracks that never made it to albums because they were already deemed not up to standard.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, but Nirvana was HUGE! They were HUGE up until the day he died and then even more so. No one's worth should be measured up against what happens when they die, that is when the sheep come to flock, that is when assholes show up to rallies and cry for someone they never knew and didn't give a fuck about. That means nothing.
Did it matter than Cortney Love showed up at a Kurt Cobain vigil looking like a crackwhore, crying and smoking more and hanging with "fans?" Nope. What matters is that Hole's biggest selling album, Live Through This—a great album, indeed—was written by Kurt Cobain. The man could write great songs. Nothingmore. Is Kurt Cobain a legend? No. Nirvana is. They changed the face of music more drastically than any band did since the 70s. Nirvana is a legendary band.
Is Dimebag a legendary guitarist? Absolutely! The man changed the face music with his guitar skills alone! In the 90s not only was Pantera
the metal band, but Dimebag was
the guitarist! Just like Rhoads and Eddie Van Halen were in the 80's, and even Zakk Wylde after he stepped up after Rhoads' death! These things are set in stone.
Do I like Britney Spears' "music?" No way. But she's good at what she does and is a legend in the pop industry because of it. Always will be. I don't like it, but I cannot deny it. To do so is stupid.