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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:41 pm 
Fingon wrote:
I'm suprised noone entered Rhino..not even as a joke :(


Scott Colombus is much better, that's why ! 8)


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Gene Hoglan
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slow parts are harder than fast-as-hell parts...


This is complete bullshit, or at least a gross oversimplification. No, being able to play extremely fast does not make a drummer great. Neither does the ability to play extremely slow. There are a ton of different factors besides just speed in mastering a musical instrument.

My 2 cents on Pete "Commando" Sandoval: I think he's great. So fucking what if he plays a lot of blast beats? He plays them well and he fits Morbid Angel perfectly. He also has some very interesting rhytmic ideas, even if he doesn't play hyper-complex patterns all the time.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:36 pm 
i forgot so many people..


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Jürgen wrote:
Stefan wrote:
slow parts are harder than fast-as-hell parts...


This is complete bullshit, or at least a gross oversimplification. No, being able to play extremely fast does not make a drummer great. Neither does the ability to play extremely slow. There are a ton of different factors besides just speed in mastering a musical instrument.


Yeah it is. It's a fucking lie that bad drummers told people to make themselves look good. Fast drumming > slow drumming. Period.

I know. I play drums. I can play most of the slow songs right away but I'll be dead before I manage to play like Sandoval or Frost or Mounier or Trym or....


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Kathaarian wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Stefan wrote:
slow parts are harder than fast-as-hell parts...


This is complete bullshit, or at least a gross oversimplification. No, being able to play extremely fast does not make a drummer great. Neither does the ability to play extremely slow. There are a ton of different factors besides just speed in mastering a musical instrument.


Yeah it is. It's a fucking lie that bad drummers told people to make themselves look good. Fast drumming > slow drumming. Period.

I know. I play drums. I can play most of the slow songs right away but I'll be dead before I manage to play like Sandoval or Frost or Mounier or Trym or....


Extremely fast playing is difficult. Anyone who plays an instrument knows that. But extremely slow playing is difficult as well: try keeping a steady beat at something like 40 BPM!


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Jürgen wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Stefan wrote:
slow parts are harder than fast-as-hell parts...


This is complete bullshit, or at least a gross oversimplification. No, being able to play extremely fast does not make a drummer great. Neither does the ability to play extremely slow. There are a ton of different factors besides just speed in mastering a musical instrument.


Yeah it is. It's a fucking lie that bad drummers told people to make themselves look good. Fast drumming > slow drumming. Period.

I know. I play drums. I can play most of the slow songs right away but I'll be dead before I manage to play like Sandoval or Frost or Mounier or Trym or....


Extremely fast playing is difficult. Anyone who plays an instrument knows that. But extremely slow playing is difficult as well: try keeping a steady beat at something like 40 BPM!



Right, but if you try hard you can play that. But how bout 500 bpm ? That's nothing that practise can do. You have to have it in you. And that's what I call talent.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:15 am 
Kathaarian wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Stefan wrote:
slow parts are harder than fast-as-hell parts...


This is complete bullshit, or at least a gross oversimplification. No, being able to play extremely fast does not make a drummer great. Neither does the ability to play extremely slow. There are a ton of different factors besides just speed in mastering a musical instrument.


Yeah it is. It's a fucking lie that bad drummers told people to make themselves look good. Fast drumming > slow drumming. Period.

I know. I play drums. I can play most of the slow songs right away but I'll be dead before I manage to play like Sandoval or Frost or Mounier or Trym or....


Extremely fast playing is difficult. Anyone who plays an instrument knows that. But extremely slow playing is difficult as well: try keeping a steady beat at something like 40 BPM!



Right, but if you try hard you can play that. But how bout 500 bpm ? That's nothing that practise can do. You have to have it in you. And that's what I call talent.


I call it sport at best... you cannot be über technical if you're über fast.. you're just über fast... or you're an octopus or something but then it's a totally different matter... :wink:

EDIT : check this out : http://youtube.com/w/drum-solo-by-kid?v ... rum%20solo


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:09 am 
Stefan wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Stefan wrote:
slow parts are harder than fast-as-hell parts...


This is complete bullshit, or at least a gross oversimplification. No, being able to play extremely fast does not make a drummer great. Neither does the ability to play extremely slow. There are a ton of different factors besides just speed in mastering a musical instrument.


Yeah it is. It's a fucking lie that bad drummers told people to make themselves look good. Fast drumming > slow drumming. Period.

I know. I play drums. I can play most of the slow songs right away but I'll be dead before I manage to play like Sandoval or Frost or Mounier or Trym or....


Extremely fast playing is difficult. Anyone who plays an instrument knows that. But extremely slow playing is difficult as well: try keeping a steady beat at something like 40 BPM!



Right, but if you try hard you can play that. But how bout 500 bpm ? That's nothing that practise can do. You have to have it in you. And that's what I call talent.


I call it sport at best... you cannot be über technical if you're über fast.. you're just über fast... or you're an octopus or something but then it's a totally different matter... :wink:

EDIT : check this out : http://youtube.com/w/drum-solo-by-kid?v ... rum%20solo


OH MY GOD, IF I SEE ONE MORE PERSON POST THAT GOD DAMN TONY ROYSTER VIDEO, I'll KILL MYSELF.


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Husker wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Stefan wrote:
slow parts are harder than fast-as-hell parts...


This is complete bullshit, or at least a gross oversimplification. No, being able to play extremely fast does not make a drummer great. Neither does the ability to play extremely slow. There are a ton of different factors besides just speed in mastering a musical instrument.


Yeah it is. It's a fucking lie that bad drummers told people to make themselves look good. Fast drumming > slow drumming. Period.

I know. I play drums. I can play most of the slow songs right away but I'll be dead before I manage to play like Sandoval or Frost or Mounier or Trym or....


Extremely fast playing is difficult. Anyone who plays an instrument knows that. But extremely slow playing is difficult as well: try keeping a steady beat at something like 40 BPM!



Right, but if you try hard you can play that. But how bout 500 bpm ? That's nothing that practise can do. You have to have it in you. And that's what I call talent.


I call it sport at best... you cannot be über technical if you're über fast.. you're just über fast... or you're an octopus or something but then it's a totally different matter... :wink:

EDIT : check this out : http://youtube.com/w/drum-solo-by-kid?v ... rum%20solo


OH MY GOD, IF I SEE ONE MORE PERSON POST THAT GOD DAMN TONY ROYSTER VIDEO, I'll KILL MYSELF.


ok. here you go

http://youtube.com/w/drum-solo-by-kid?v ... rum%20solo[/quote]


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:21 am 
Kathaarian wrote:
Husker wrote:
Stefan wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
Stefan wrote:
slow parts are harder than fast-as-hell parts...


This is complete bullshit, or at least a gross oversimplification. No, being able to play extremely fast does not make a drummer great. Neither does the ability to play extremely slow. There are a ton of different factors besides just speed in mastering a musical instrument.


Yeah it is. It's a fucking lie that bad drummers told people to make themselves look good. Fast drumming > slow drumming. Period.

I know. I play drums. I can play most of the slow songs right away but I'll be dead before I manage to play like Sandoval or Frost or Mounier or Trym or....


Extremely fast playing is difficult. Anyone who plays an instrument knows that. But extremely slow playing is difficult as well: try keeping a steady beat at something like 40 BPM!



Right, but if you try hard you can play that. But how bout 500 bpm ? That's nothing that practise can do. You have to have it in you. And that's what I call talent.


I call it sport at best... you cannot be über technical if you're über fast.. you're just über fast... or you're an octopus or something but then it's a totally different matter... :wink:

EDIT : check this out : http://youtube.com/w/drum-solo-by-kid?v ... rum%20solo


OH MY GOD, IF I SEE ONE MORE PERSON POST THAT GOD DAMN TONY ROYSTER VIDEO, I'll KILL MYSELF.


ok. here you go

http://youtube.com/w/drum-solo-by-kid?v ... rum%20solo
[/quote]


suicide, brb.


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Kathaarian wrote:
Right, but if you try hard you can play that. But how bout 500 bpm ? That's nothing that practise can do. You have to have it in you. And that's what I call talent.


I believe that it all comes down to practice in the long run. Sure, some people are more naturally "talented" and some less, but that can be overcome by practicing your ass off.

Stefan wrote:
I call it sport at best... you cannot be über technical if you're über fast.. you're just über fast... or you're an octopus or something but then it's a totally different matter... :wink:


You can be über technical while playing über fast. Technicality and speed are two separate things, there is much more to playing technique (no matter what the instrument is) than just playing fast or playing slow.


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Jurgen said it. Two major generalizations people like to make concerning drumming seem to be the speed issue that he adressed, but also people having the idea that jazz drummers are automatically better than all metal drummers. Of course, it's bullshit. These people completely ignore the fact that numerous metal drummers incorporate many different styles into their playing and are much more versatile than a strict jazz player, have the skill to pull off the same things and the open mind to do more. Not to mention that all drummers should be judged on their individual skill and ability, not just the genre they play in.

I was at a drumming competition once, and saw this jazz snobbery go on right next to me. A metal drummer played, pulling some nice double bass, fills, a few blasts, so on, but not ONLY blasts like some death/black drummers will do for a solo, he gets cheered and goes of without incident. Then this jazz guy goes up, and of course doesn't use the second foot pedal, and is playing some quick one footed bass here and there, and the guys next to me are fucking astonished, going on about how "he's only using one foot, i'd like to see that other guy do that" "now THAT's impressive". Now, the first guy's footwork was not only just as fast, but faster, but since he didn't choose to limit himself to one foot somehow HE is the inferior drummer. It's ridiculous.


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Jurgen said it. Two major generalizations people like to make concerning drumming seem to be the speed issue that he adressed, but also people having the idea that jazz drummers are automatically better than all metal drummers. Of course, it's bullshit. These people completely ignore the fact that numerous metal drummers incorporate many different styles into their playing and are much more versatile than a strict jazz player, have the skill to pull off the same things and the open mind to do more. Not to mention that all drummers should be judged on their individual skill and ability, not just the genre they play in.

I was at a drumming competition once, and saw this jazz snobbery go on right next to me. A metal drummer played, pulling some nice double bass, fills, a few blasts, so on, but not ONLY blasts like some death/black drummers will do for a solo, he gets cheered and goes of without incident. Then this jazz guy goes up, and of course doesn't use the second foot pedal, and is playing some quick one footed bass here and there, and the guys next to me are fucking astonished, going on about how "he's only using one foot, i'd like to see that other guy do that" "now THAT's impressive". Now, the first guy's footwork was not only just as fast, but faster, but since he didn't choose to limit himself to one foot somehow HE is the inferior drummer. It's ridiculous.


Yeah, it's pretty much like that another forum I post at. Anytime someone posts a metal drummer, they suck, but if it's a jazz guy, or just someone playing a simple rock beat, it's sooo good.


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Abe Cunningham (Deftones, sue me, I like his style)


His playing is so smooth. I love the way he kicks in on Feticeira. Good choice.


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Husker wrote:
Radical Cut wrote:
Jurgen said it. Two major generalizations people like to make concerning drumming seem to be the speed issue that he adressed, but also people having the idea that jazz drummers are automatically better than all metal drummers. Of course, it's bullshit. These people completely ignore the fact that numerous metal drummers incorporate many different styles into their playing and are much more versatile than a strict jazz player, have the skill to pull off the same things and the open mind to do more. Not to mention that all drummers should be judged on their individual skill and ability, not just the genre they play in.

I was at a drumming competition once, and saw this jazz snobbery go on right next to me. A metal drummer played, pulling some nice double bass, fills, a few blasts, so on, but not ONLY blasts like some death/black drummers will do for a solo, he gets cheered and goes of without incident. Then this jazz guy goes up, and of course doesn't use the second foot pedal, and is playing some quick one footed bass here and there, and the guys next to me are fucking astonished, going on about how "he's only using one foot, i'd like to see that other guy do that" "now THAT's impressive". Now, the first guy's footwork was not only just as fast, but faster, but since he didn't choose to limit himself to one foot somehow HE is the inferior drummer. It's ridiculous.


Yeah, it's pretty much like that another forum I post at. Anytime someone posts a metal drummer, they suck, but if it's a jazz guy, or just someone playing a simple rock beat, it's sooo good.


Glad to hear these opinions. I'm so tired of this jazz worship crap. Jazz has the highest percentage of wanker, snob, asshole, general douchebaggery fans of any niche in the world.


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Fingon wrote:
I'm suprised noone entered Rhino..not even as a joke :(

Rhino fucking pwns.

I could list a lot of my favourite drummers, but it'd be largely based on my liking of the band since I'm no drum expert.


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Husker wrote:
Radical Cut wrote:
Jurgen said it. Two major generalizations people like to make concerning drumming seem to be the speed issue that he adressed, but also people having the idea that jazz drummers are automatically better than all metal drummers. Of course, it's bullshit. These people completely ignore the fact that numerous metal drummers incorporate many different styles into their playing and are much more versatile than a strict jazz player, have the skill to pull off the same things and the open mind to do more. Not to mention that all drummers should be judged on their individual skill and ability, not just the genre they play in.

I was at a drumming competition once, and saw this jazz snobbery go on right next to me. A metal drummer played, pulling some nice double bass, fills, a few blasts, so on, but not ONLY blasts like some death/black drummers will do for a solo, he gets cheered and goes of without incident. Then this jazz guy goes up, and of course doesn't use the second foot pedal, and is playing some quick one footed bass here and there, and the guys next to me are fucking astonished, going on about how "he's only using one foot, i'd like to see that other guy do that" "now THAT's impressive". Now, the first guy's footwork was not only just as fast, but faster, but since he didn't choose to limit himself to one foot somehow HE is the inferior drummer. It's ridiculous.


Yeah, it's pretty much like that another forum I post at. Anytime someone posts a metal drummer, they suck, but if it's a jazz guy, or just someone playing a simple rock beat, it's sooo good.


Glad to hear these opinions. I'm so tired of this jazz worship crap. Jazz has the highest percentage of wanker, snob, asshole, general douchebaggery fans of any niche in the world.


Yeah, even more than tr00 BM, Tool, Radiohead and Opeth fans combined.


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deathkvlt wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
Husker wrote:
Radical Cut wrote:
Jurgen said it. Two major generalizations people like to make concerning drumming seem to be the speed issue that he adressed, but also people having the idea that jazz drummers are automatically better than all metal drummers. Of course, it's bullshit. These people completely ignore the fact that numerous metal drummers incorporate many different styles into their playing and are much more versatile than a strict jazz player, have the skill to pull off the same things and the open mind to do more. Not to mention that all drummers should be judged on their individual skill and ability, not just the genre they play in.

I was at a drumming competition once, and saw this jazz snobbery go on right next to me. A metal drummer played, pulling some nice double bass, fills, a few blasts, so on, but not ONLY blasts like some death/black drummers will do for a solo, he gets cheered and goes of without incident. Then this jazz guy goes up, and of course doesn't use the second foot pedal, and is playing some quick one footed bass here and there, and the guys next to me are fucking astonished, going on about how "he's only using one foot, i'd like to see that other guy do that" "now THAT's impressive". Now, the first guy's footwork was not only just as fast, but faster, but since he didn't choose to limit himself to one foot somehow HE is the inferior drummer. It's ridiculous.


Yeah, it's pretty much like that another forum I post at. Anytime someone posts a metal drummer, they suck, but if it's a jazz guy, or just someone playing a simple rock beat, it's sooo good.


Glad to hear these opinions. I'm so tired of this jazz worship crap. Jazz has the highest percentage of wanker, snob, asshole, general douchebaggery fans of any niche in the world.


Yeah, even more than tr00 BM, Tool, Radiohead and Opeth fans combined.


Wow. That is quite an accomplishment! :shock:


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