MR: I would like to ask a few questions about the 2 albums, Bridge and Flesh that were both released this year only a few months apart. Were they both conceived and recorded at the same time as part of what was to be a larger 2 CD project?
Oliver: There was no masterplan to this, there simply were too many ideas to lay them down on just one CD. Doing a double CD actually never was in discussion, that may be okay when doing a concept-album where both CD's are linked with each other, but that is not the case here. "Bridge" and "Flesh" are two totally separate albums, both in Everon-style naturally, but at the same time exploring different aspects of our music. There will be people that totally like "Bridge" but get bored with "Flesh", or the other way around. Bringing them out as a double-CD would mean, urging quite a lot of people to possibly buy one CD they don't enjoy.
As for the recordings, all songs were recorded in the same period, so to us actually the two albums are like one really long one anyway, since
everything was produced in one continuous recording-session from November
01 to February 02.
MR: How was it decided as to which tracks to put on each release and was there a conscious effort to make the overall feel and atmosphere different
for each album?
Oliver: Originally my idea was to have one really heavy album and a second one focusing only on the more mellow tracks, but we dropped that plan pretty soon. To our opinion, one of the typical trademarks of each album we did, is that they all have a healthy balance of heavy and melodic moments, so we decided to keep it that way also on the new CD's. So on "Bridge", which is
the clearly harder edge CD, you also find a little melancholic piece like "Traveling Shoes", or more balladesque material such as "Harbour" or "Still Mine", naturally accompanied by some really heavy rockers. On "Flesh" these melodic, less guitar-oriented songs, get a lot more space, but still in tracks like "And Still It Bleeds" or the title-track "Flesh", there are also plenty of heavy guitars to be found, just to give the albums a good balance and make sure they don't turn out one-dimensional or boring.
So we did not make too many differences in the songwriting for the two albums actually, but we made much clearer differences in the
mix-sessions. "Bridge" definitely has a focus on the guitars, while on "Flesh" we gave more room to the piano and orchestral elements and
sometimes put the guitars a bit lower in the mix.
MR: I wrote in reviewing your latest 2 releases that Everon is a very song-oriented band, more focused on writing catchy melodies and keeping long and over excessive instrumentation to a minimum. Is this the main formula by which you live and abide by as far as songwriting goes?
Oliver: I wouldn't say there is anything like a formula, but still you have a point there. We all believe in good hooklines and catchy melodies to be a lot more important than over-the-top solo-playing and five twiddly bits per measure; actually we always saw ourselves as a band that plays music for "normal" people, we never had the ambition to be a highly technical progressive band, that only applies to a small specialized audience that approaches music rather intellectually. Music should be all about emotion, or at least, that is what it is for us. There are technical moments in our music as well, but usually very functional to support the flow of the song, we are intent on reaching people emotionally, not on impressing anyone with
fancy licks or weird breaks. Maybe we're just rather simple minds after all.
MR: Unlike the more epic fantasy oriented themes of other progressive bands, it seems that a lot of your songs are about failed relationships and other emotional aspects of our everyday life. Do you write from personal experiences?
Oliver: I usually do so indeed. I guess I was never much good at writing fictional
lyrics, when dealing with music in a very emotional way it happens
naturally that also the lyrics are about things of personal meaning for
yourself. It feels strange to me when singing about something which I
cannot relate to as a person, I believe my interpretation as a vocalist is
a lot stronger when the lyrics are really personal. Again I don't think
there is a general rule or method, that would be valid for every singer,
only for myself I figured out that is what goes best for me. There are
plenty of other singers that are great at doing fictional stuff and also at
interpreting, what works for them doesn't have to work for me,
and the other way around.
MR: Personally, I would describe the sound of Everon as a continuation of the
Fish-era Marillion style of progressive rock with wonderful vocal melodies and
having influences from such 70’s artists as Triumvirat (especially the vocal
style), Kansas, Yes, Camel and Rush. Along with that goes a healthy dose of a
more modern and Dream Theater style that has almost heavy metal like qualities
at times. Is that a fair description?
Oliver: I don't know actually, and I don't mind much. In all these years we have
been compared to so many different bands, and quite a lot of them I didn't
even know. In your list at least I know all the names. We're not intent
on sounding like anyone else, still it naturally happens that some things
you do will remind of something else, nothing wrong with that. Only it's
not done on purpose, so if you're question is, whether it was our plan to
sound like a continuation of any of the bands you mentioned, then the
answer is clearly No. But naturally I admit that there may be parallels
with bands like Kansas or Rush, both are bands I like a lot. As for Yes or
Dream Theatre I find very little similarities actually, but however, if you
feel reminded of them, who am I to say that you're wrong about that. After
all, I don't really care a lot; one thing I am really happy with, is that
for many years already the common opinion in most of the major magazines
seems to be, that we developed a very individual style over the years,
different from any other band in the scene.
But then again, we didn't reinvent music in general, so there will always
be something in it that may remind someone of something else, and that is
perfectly fine with me.
MR: In the songwriting process, are the vocal melodies or musical riffs usually
the starting point for a song. Is the songwriting process for this band very
natural and easy or can it be painstaking at times?
Oliver: Songwriting is a very strange thing, to be honest, I don't even think there
is such thing as "songwriting" in general, or at least not as a voluntary
occupation, a song is nothing you can come up with on purpose. At least to
me it rather "happens" than that it gives me a feeling of writing anything
at all. In that respect, to me songwriting never was a painstaking
experience, the songs come to my mind naturally; usually they suddenly pop
up inside my mind, with complete arrangement, melodies, you name it.
Sometimes there is just a part of a song and it takes a while til it's
complete, sometimes it's a complete song from the very beginning. Actually
the only thing I do is writing it down as soon as it is finished inside my
head. To my experience the less we interfere into the creative process, the
better the outcome will be. Music is a lot bigger than us musicians, so I
believe we should treat our inspiration gentle and with decency, it's a
gift we receive, and not a thing we create. The safest way to spoil a piece
of music, is trying to be smarter than the song by voluntarily adding
extra-parts to a song to make it sound more progressive, or to add a heavy
part to a ballad to make sure it's not too cheesy, or to add an extra
guitar solo to impress your fellow musicians.
I absolutely believe, whenever writing songs, the best you can do, is not
doing anything at all. Just let the inspiration grow naturally inside your
mind, and when the process has come to an end and you feel a song is
complete, then sit down and play it exactly the way it came to your mind.
Inspiration doesn't make mistakes, but us musicians do.
MR: One of the things that’s so striking about Everon’s music is the use of
very
touching and thematic guitar passages. Ulli Hoever has a very Steve Rothery
(Marillion) type of emotional playing style but can also let loose some pretty
chunky heavy metal riffs. What has his addition meant to Everon?
Oliver: Actually it seems you are rather referring to the solo-and lead-parts
aren't you? In that case it is actually me you hear, I do all the
lead-guitars from the early days already, Ulli is mainly focusing on the
rhythm-guitars. Nonetheless, when he joined the band, that gave us a lot
more possibilities. Ralf Janssen, his predecessor, was a good player as
well, but Ulli is a lot more versatile, so he simply covers a wider range
of expression and styles. As a band naturally you can only operate within
the limitations of each player, and with Ulli we could do things we
couldn't do before. So for instance Ralf wasn't good at heavy riffing at
all, Ulli is great at that, so since the Fantasma-album you have a lot more
heavy parts on the albums. Ralf was really great at playing open-chords,
pickings and all that. This is stuff Ulli actually had to learn first when
he joined the band, nowadays he adapted all that to his playing, but in the
beginning that gave him quite some headache. Both players had their strong
and weak points, but after all Ulli turned out the clearly more versatile
of these two.
MR: What (or who) are some of your most important musical influences and why?
Oliver: That is hard to say, since the influences are too many and too diverse to
give you a clear impression. I try to approach music not as a professional,
but just as a listener, so also there I try to focus only on the emotional
aspect. So in case a piece of music reaches and touches me inside, I don't
mind the style or genre, and the emotion it transports may be just about
anything from sadness and melancholy, to brutality or aggression. To me it
is important, that it HAS emotion, not which emotion it transports. Thus I
have favourite bands or artists in just about any style there is, I like
bands such as Type O Negative or Death the same as much as Tori Amos or
Billy Joel on the other extreme. Also I highly appreciate good pop-music
like Alannis Morissette, Sting or Nik Kershaw, but also like modern
classical composers like Kenji Bunch or Michael Nyman. After all as a
musician just about anything can be an influence and inspiration, not only
music, but just as well any other form of art or simple things of everyday
life have an impact on my work as a musician. In a way, as a musician it
seems more or less everything you go through sooner or later transforms
into music.
Also my work as a producer for other artists opened horizons for me, I
would have never come to see any other way. I owe all these musicians for
sharing their visions, their dedication and their creativity with me, I
learnt a lot from each of them and hopefully managed to also give a thing
or two to them as well
MR: What do you think of some of the other newer progressive bands such as
Spock?s Beard, Transatlantic and The Flower Kings?
Oliver: I guess I am the last person to ask that question to, since of all genres
there are, progressive rock is the one I pay the least attention to. That
my sound irritating to you, but when you think of it you may understand it
actually. When working at the fish-market all your life, you will not
necessarily like to have fish for dinner, if you know what you mean? It's just a fact, that it is a lot more inspiring to listen to music all
different from the music you're into with your own band.
MR: Oliver, when you play live, do you bring other
musicians on
the road with you? Seeing that you’re credited with playing guitar and
keyboards as well as singing, I think it would get a little difficult for you
in the live situation. Do you play any instruments at all while performing
live?
Oliver: I used to do all of that on stage indeed. After Fantasma we brought in an
additional keyboard-player so I didn't have to do any keys on stage. In a
way that felt like a great relief, on the other hand it didn't sound the
way we had hoped actually. So we parted with this live-keyboardist again,
and have been searching for a replacement for quite a while already, but so
far none of the guys we had invited for an audition totally convinced us.
So it might really happen I go back to doing it myself, in a way I would
actually prefer to only sing and play guitar, but on the other hand the
most important thing is what we sound like on stage naturally. I can't help
feeling a bit like being condemned to play keyboards in this band, so after
all it might turn out that way again. I don't play too much guitar on stage
anyway, I mainly take care of the lead-things, so that doesn't interfere
with singing at all. When playing keyboards naturally that means you have
to play and sing at the same time; definitely this is possible, but at
least to me it feels better if I can focus totally on singing. We haven't
finally made our mind up on that yet.
MR: Progressive rock, like heavy metal, has really gone underground over the
last decade (i.e. bands build a loyal and often territorial following and often
do not get world-wide releases for their albums). How has the world received
Everon and do you think there ever will be a time when you would do a large
world-wide tour?
Oliver: We cannot really complain actually. From the early days our albums have got
regular distribution in more or less the whole of Europe, and normally also
in South-America and Japan, so things could have gone a lot worse for us
actually. Still it is not the type of chart-breaking music that will make
you a rock-star doing huge world-tours and all that. I am doing this for
ten years now, so I have very little hope this will ever drastically
change, but even if it stays the way it is, that isn't that bad after all.
Everon is quite an established band, we're recognized not only by the
specialized press but also by most of the major rock-magazines and usually
received very friendly. We sell reasonable quantities with every album, so
that whenever we feel in the mood for doing another one, there has been a
record-company considering it worth to provide a budget for doing one more.
None of us has to make his living on the income of the band, so in that
respect we are financially independent from the success of the albums and
simply play the music we want to play. It is good to know there are some
people out there, to whom our music really means a lot, that alone makes it
a rewarding thing already. Wether it is just a couple of thousands or a
couple of millions is less relevant after all, we're not in it for the
money, otherwise we would have stopped this long ago already.
MR: I love the artwork of Gregory Bridges who does your album covers. Why such
a menacing cover for the Flesh album, certainly a more softer sounding album
for the band?
Oliver: You have a point there indeed. Actually, the artwork of "Flesh" fits the
title-track perfectly, since that one is a really heavy and complex song,
with on our terms unusually misantropic and aggressive lyrics. Naturally in
case of putting the artwork in relation to a piece such as "Missing From
The Chain" it may appear kind of displaced. Then again, each of our albums
covers quite a wide range of different styles and atmospheres, so it may be
almost impossible to create an artwork that equally fits all of them at the
same time.
However, we simply liked this piece of artwork a lot and chose it for the
album without thinking too much about it.
MR: How has the sound of Everon progressed/improved over the years?
Oliver: That is not a question I can answer, it is rather up to the audience to do
that. As a musician you're naturally always developing, but again it is
usually an involuntary process without steering into a particular
direction. When I play an old Everon-album, which I usually don't ever do
to be honest, to me it sounds like a different band almost. Still I like
some of it, but I cannot relate to it the way I could back then when
recording it. I guess each album is like a snapshot of our lives taken at a
particular point in time, when looking back on it with some years distance
you notice how much has changed in the meantime and that it feels less
natural and meaningful than at the moment of writing or recording it. It is
not more than a memory actually, like reading old letters or viewing old
holiday-pictures, or a bit like reading in a diary of your own life.
Every person is constantly changing through all his life, musicians are no
exception in terms of that, and thus also their music changes naturally.
And personally I believe it is good and healthy, if it goes that way.
Naturally sometimes fans would prefer a band to always come up with new
stuff that sounds like their favourite album from ten years ago, but as a
musician it would be highly disappointing to do so, change, growth and
development is a necessary condition for every kind of artistic work, no
matter whether being a musician, a painter, a writer or anything else.
MR: Has the band ever thought of doing a concept album based on a unifying
theme?
Oliver: I don't think we did. It is a typical prog-rock thing to do so, and since
we've never been much of a typical prog band, to us that wouldn't feel
natural. We cover too many different elements with our music, to restrict
ourselves to just one topic with the lyrics, I cannot imagine a topic that
would go naturally with all the different kinds of songs. Personally, apart
from a few exceptions such as "The Lamb" or "Operation Mindcrime", I
usually don't like concept albums a lot, too much sounds forced to my ears
on this kind of albums, submitting the music to a strict lyrical concept
feels like putting it in a cage to me, it would be against my nature to
work this way.
MR: Flesh uses some symphonic elements such as the cello piece at the
beginning
of Flesh which work wonderfully well. Has the band ever thought of doing a
more formal recording with a symphony orchestra and/or a choir?
Oliver: We have been thinking about that, and in a way with each album we get a
step closer to this. So on "Flesh" you do not only have a cello-player,
but also a complete string-section in some of the songs. Usually the
orchestrations you hear are made of a mixture of real players and samples
used in addition to this. I`d like to one day do something only played by
an orchestra and without a band at all. Whenever bringing heavy guitars and
a real orchestra together, unfortunately the outcome usually sounds
disappointing. The problem is, that classical instruments are highly
dynamic and full and warm in sound, but when having to "fight" in the mix
against a rock- or metal-band, usually 80 percent of the orchestra gets
lost, since it is simply rolled over by the wall of drums and guitars.
Usually in the end you are much better of, when using samplers instead of
real instruments, since in the mix you still have access to every single
line of the orchestration instead of having just a stereo signal of the
whole orchestra. Many bands have tried with a real orchestra, like for
instance Rage or also Metallica, to me the outcome always was disappointing,
since the orchestra never cuts through in the mix. And when filtering the
sound of the orchestra in a way that it finally cuts through, it sounds
even less natural in the end than a sampler, so there doesn't seem to be
too much point in doing that. But still I totally love classical
instruments, but it might be wiser to once do a special album that
completely builds up on working with an orchestra, but do without heavy
guitars etc. for this one.
MR: I love the female vocals by Judith Stuber on the Flesh album. The duet
with
her on Already Dead is simply stunning. What is her background and do you plan
to use her again in the future?
Oliver: She is a close friend of mine, and we have been working together a couple
of times before. We got to know each other back then in 99, when we had her
at our studio the first time, back then for recording guest-vocals for a
German metal-band named "Dark At Dawn". We have involved here in plenty of
other projects ever after, and it was predictable that sooner or later
she'd "end up" on an Everon-album as well. It might happen, that we will do
some more together in the future, I'm thinking of trying to write and
produce a complete album with her, but then without me appearing as a
vocalist. She is singing so much better than I do, so I'd gladly keep my
mouth shut and leave the singing to her. But naturally that would be for a
different project then, not for Everon. In this band people will have to
live with my humble attempts of pretending to be a singer.
MR: How is it going with Space Lab Studios? Are you happy with the sound
of the
recorded material and is it getting lots of use by other artists?
Oliver: I think the sound is undeniably good and of competitive international
pro-standard. Actually the studio has gathered an excellent reputation
meanwhile, we have had bands from all over Europe coming here to record
their albums, so there have been bands like Ancient Rites (Belgium),
Wolverine (Sweden), Avulsed or Mistweaver (Spain), Braindamage (Italy),
Danse Macabre (Finland), just to name a few. Our studio offers high-end
audio and an affordable price clearly lower than of most competitors, apart
from that all the bands that have been here seemed to highly appreciate the
fact that here at Spacelab they're working not only with technicians, but
with dedicated musicians. It makes the whole work a lot different from
other studios. Apart from being a great drummer, Moschus is also one of the
most gifted engineers in the whole of Germany, so sound-wise no band ever
had to be concerned about not taking a great-sounding album home with them.
Since we have so many clients from abroad coming to our place, we added a
guest-apartment to the studio-complex, that bands from abroad can use
during the time of their recordings, so there are no extra-cost raised for
accommodation.
MR: Could you leave us with one final thought or simple philosophy that you
live by, not only as far as your musical aspirations, but for life in general.
Oliver: I don't know if I have any to be honest. Actually I guess I am not the type
of person to ponder much about a general strategy or philosophy in my life,
life always used to be rather chaotic for me. Whenever I made a plan, in
the end it came completely different anyway. I guess this kind of chaotic
living is very typical for many artists, it seems that creativity hardly
ever springs from a well-organized and perfectly structured mind. If there
is one thing I consider being very important in life, than it is to find a
way to be yourself; in all the things life puts us through we lose
ourselves very easily and start to only react to circumstances and social
environment, and I guess it is not wise to give in to that. I believe
everyone has the right to at least try to be what he wants to be, to live
his dream in case he has one, and to try to reach for whatever he's aiming
for, even if it may seem totally out of reach or over-the-top. Just acting
functional and playing it safe maybe a good strategy to get through life
without ever getting in major troubles, but it will provide little
enlightenment and joy. Life is too short to play it safe at every time,
sometimes it is better to at least try to win, than being happy with ending
in a draw. But naturally whenever trying to win, naturally you may just as
well lose in the end, it's a risk you have to take.
MR: Oliver, I want to thank you very much for taking the time to speak with us.
Oliver: No, I thank you, it was a pleasure to answer your questions.