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Ya think?

Obviously, none of us will ever know the whole story. I find it odd that they would make the whole issue so public, instead of, as someone who I'm too lazy to look up said, just putting it out as "irreconcilable differences." The only point it serves is to drag Tarja's name through the public mud.

Indeed. He gave no reason to not believe that. I can safely make that assumption considering most people would not have meant it another way.


There was no issue. You created an issue. If you're one those people who like to come on an interenet messageboard and argue semantics, twist words and meanings to your argumentative advantage that is fine, but count me out of that nonsense. You got boring real quick.

Unfortunately, my experience has shown that most people would have actually meant it "the other way". Experience has also shown me that most people who do claim to want or believe in it as being conditional, don't actually want it to be that way - particularly in times of crisis or when they want to be forgiven. But my experiences are not the same as yours. And either way, it doesn't change the text on the screen.



Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you. And frankly, it's one of the reasons why I don't post much on forums much anymore. If it's not someone who thinks they have an insight into everything, including who the next singer of Nightwish should be, it's someone who either can't or refuses to communicate (let alone admit when they might be wrong), someone who thinks you're a faggot becaue you like music other than metal, or something else, etc.



Really? I wasn't aware that I made the initial comment or reply. I certainly don't remember donig that ... Perhaps, I did it in my sleep and someone deleted it.

Whatever. Are we even reading and replying to the same fucking thread?

About Tarja and the letter(s)...

Being at least somewhat familiar with how the band got it's start and the fact that they were at one time very close - like family as I understand it, I don't think the intentions here were malicious. I suspect that if what the band said is true (and I have reason to believe it is), they could have chosen to say a lot of "mean" things and chose not to. That the band's letter was posted online seems like just a courtesy to the fans than a deliberate defamation of character. If the accusations are true, obviously it can't be (although I'm sure that wouldn't stop some peopling from calling it as such). I think it's unfortunate how some of them (the fans) have reacted to it. Taking sides, acting as if they know what's best for the band now, threatening suicide (lol), etc. I remember when some of the band members actually used to read and post at those forums. And I also remember when Tuomas stated that he wouldn't be visiting or post anymore because it was just upsetting.

So while posting it online was a courtesy for fans, I'm far from convinced the letter itself was malicious. If anything it sounds a bit like a last ditch effort at getting the attention of a (former) friend long after all other attempts at communication and understanding failed.

-Tyrion

I repeat: If you're one those people who like to come on an interenet messageboard and argue semantics, twist words and meanings to your argumentative advantage that is fine, but count me out of that nonsense.

See above.

I'm taking two political sciences, philosophy, sociology, and anthropology at the moment.

The former is to be my major.

I respect cultural relativism, but I am actually a non-religious objectivist. I believe, given the options, there is always a best answer, and thus a right one.

Here, let me copy and paste a segment of an essay I wrote concerning relativism and objectivism and how they should be dealt with in a political sense:

The problem with relativism is that it completely neglects the actual problem and only worries about the public reaction. This method would only work in situations where the society was informed and knew how to separate their personal preferences with political ones. However, as far as I know, there is no such society. Keep in mind that this is not to say that the idea of relativism should be altogether disregarded. As previously established, there is always a public reaction to contend with, which in turn can become a problem unto itself. That being realized, well-informed decisions always need that touch of relativism in order to garner public support, even if it puts a dent in the solution. Change, especially in a democratic state (where the public can and will punish radical changes), needs to move at a delicate pace. A government that disconnects its society will do exactly that, and the society will no longer follow, but revolt, and the idea will not only be lost, but also associated negatively with a government that did not care about the opinions of its people. From this we can conclude that a touch of relativism will always be essential, but of course, should not overwhelm the actual issue.

This thread had better get back on topic and fast.

Or what?

Niggaz, please!

I dont know if anyone has mentioned this female singer before, and if they have, my apologies for recycling old posts. But if no one has, then....

I believe, and this is just my opinion, that an excellent replacement for Nighwish could be Henriette Bordvik from Sirenia....and in a slight twist of fate, has just recently quit the band....
I never thpught of her as a replacement for Tarja until tonight when i played their latest album while working and suddenly it struck me like lightning.
Her voice is as beautiful as Tarja's, is similar but also different. She wouldnt be considered a Tarja clone. Sirenia has kind of the same sound as Nightwish, obviously a tad heavier, but its close.
I pictured Bordvik's voice against Nightwish's music and it felt almost perfect.
She has the opera-type vocals, but not the extreme metal operatic like Tarja from Angels Fall First or Oceanborn; and yet doesnt have that mainstream sound that we sometimes hear in female vocals.

I think that the Nightwish management should take a good look (and listen) at Henriette. At of this moment she is no longer with Sirenia, and maybe this could apeal to her.
If anyone doesnt know of Sirenia, there are 2 or 3 reviews here at metalreviews.com or you can download a few tracks from their album entitled "An Elixir For Existence" and listen for yourself.

Those that do know of her or are fans of Sirenia, what do you think?

I think I just shit my pants.

LOL, i know its not the best picture. She looks more like a wrestler in that pic, but trust me, her voice is gold.
Have you heard her from Sirenia?

I'm actually not a fan of chick singers, but I'll give them a shot.

There, thats a better one

Her midsection looks funny. It looks like that corset really hurts.

Agreed.

Assholes! :roll:

Sirenia are a damn good band, but I don't think she'd be a good choice. I haven't heard anything from her that would tell me her voice is powerful enough for Nightwish.

I could see someone like Floor Jansen, even her sister Irene, though I'm not sure about her. I haven't heard enough of her yet. I swear, the chick from Operatika is the only singer that instantly comes to mind that could fit well with the band if they're going to go for someone who sounds like Tarja. If they want to try something different then they have a pretty big pool to look through.

Thats cause she has always been behind the male singer. Only singing in chorus' or breaks. Maybe thats why she left, to sing as the only singer for a band.
I do think she has the potential to be as powerful as Tarja, she needs to be in a new environment though....Nightwish could be a good chance for that.

Who cares what she looks like?

Given the number of posts in this thread concerning whether or not the members of this forum would hit that as pertaining to Tarja, apparently quite a few.

And yes. Corsets hurt.

I haven't heard her sing. Does she do the high opera style like Tarja or does she have more "conventional" female vocals?

The band Sirenia consists of 2 singers. The male= rough vocals, not death vocals....rough but clear. And this woman. She sings during chorus' or in breaks, middle parts of songs...but she sings like she is the 2nd singer, like she's not trying to upstage the male but still holds her own.
Kinda like Battlelore, but she used a bit more.

Her voice is far from extreme operatic, more harmonious, mid to high range, but always level. But there's a tinge of opera in her voice, not like she come from an opera background but you know she's "studied" the opera style.

You really need to hear her to understand.

If you are one of those people who dont mind downloading mp3's from the net, trying searching for An Elixir For Existence and see what comes up.