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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:56 am 
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Reminds me of the pic of that fat gothic kid with the knife on his wrist that was posted earlier in this thread :lol:

That was me, asshole! :evil:


It was you,you're one fucking ugly emo gothic turd :lol:


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Eyesore wrote:
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Reminds me of the pic of that fat gothic kid with the knife on his wrist that was posted earlier in this thread :lol:

That was me, asshole! :evil:


It was you,you're one fucking ugly emo gothic turd :lol:

If I don't kill myself over this whole thing, you're dead, dude! :evil:


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Eyesore wrote:
MetalStorm wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
MetalStorm wrote:
Reminds me of the pic of that fat gothic kid with the knife on his wrist that was posted earlier in this thread :lol:

That was me, asshole! :evil:


It was you,you're one fucking ugly emo gothic turd :lol:

If I don't kill myself over this whole thing, you're dead, dude! :evil:


OOOOOOOOOO I scared :lol:


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Has anyone been to the NW forum lately.There are those who want to kill themselves over this.I'm going WTF is wrong with people it's a band for crying out loud geez fuck :roll:


Link, please.


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Has anyone been to the NW forum lately.There are those who want to kill themselves over this.I'm going WTF is wrong with people it's a band for crying out loud geez fuck :roll:


Link, please.


http://www.nightwish.com/forum/index.ph ... opic=24426

The post is about 20 pages but be forewarned you will experience either a sense of anger of laughter at some of those posts depending on your mood.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:21 am 
MetalStorm wrote:
Has anyone been to the NW forum lately.There are those who want to kill themselves over this.I'm going WTF is wrong with people it's a band for crying out loud geez fuck :roll:

Reminds me of the pic of that fat gothic kid with the knife on his wrist that was posted earlier in this thread :lol:


Remember all the people that got caught in the gene pool filter after Kobain died?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:50 am 
Former NIGHTWISH frontwoman Tarja Turunen has released the following statement to the media:

"Since last Sunday morning, I have been asked to express my position by magazines, newspapers, radio and TV stations, fan clubs and fans from Finland and from all over the world. So many in total that it is physically impossible for me to find the time to reply to them all individually. Hence I decided to put down a couple of words in this text to let my fans, family and friends and the public know how I feel after the recent events.

"This is a moment of grief and pain and I find it very hard to speak.

"At the moment I am in Argentina. I hope you can understand that after this shocking life change comparable to a divorce, I didn't want to stay alone at home in Finland. My husband had booked his tickets to Argentina many months ago and I decided to travel with him at the last minute. But the fact that I am in Argentina and the long distance should of course not be an excuse not to comment on the situation.

"Last Friday 21st of October was a day the whole band had been waiting for a long time. Practice started early in the morning. I was very sick and nervous because of the fact that I was not even able to sing during the rehearsals. Also nervous because the concert programme was going to be longer than usual for a NIGHTWISH concert. Furthermore we were going to have a special guest to perform with us, more wardrobe changes for myself than usual and for the first time big screens and bigger production on stage. Not to forget that the concert was going to be recorded and filmed. The five of us had finally made it to play Hartwall Arena.

"Even though every one of us knew in advance that the concert was sold out, finally on stage, we saw that screaming, applauding and standing people took every seat. The feeling was unbelievable. I will never forget how amazing it was to experience the Finnish audience's gorgeous reception.

"When the concert was over, I cried of happiness on stage. Happy tears because I was able to do my best as always even though I was sick. Happy tears because our long tour got the greatest possible ending and happy tears because of the best recognition an artist can get: applause and smiling faces. At that moment I didn't know that I was going to cry again soon.

"After the concert, the guys of the band invited me backstage to join them and asked me to hug altogether. This felt strange as it was the same kind of hug we traditionally came together for before every concert. That tradition remained between us, even though the tension and increasing pressure already existed since a long period of time.

"The immediate feeling in me was to thank them, which I did loudly but without any reply.

"After this, they gave me a letter and asked me to read it the following day. The same letter that is now public.

"I read it and was shocked. I didn't know what to say and still at the moment that I am writing these lines, I don't.

"I sense great anger in that letter and I continue to have very confused feelings about it, but I don't want to reply to this anger with an even greater anger. Private matters should never be taken to the public.

"I know this moment we are going through is very sad for everybody, including the guys.

"While there would have been so many different possibilities and ways to express what they wanted to tell me with the letter, I remain unable to understand the way they chose to handle this. I am sorry that the guys got me so wrong. I don't recognize myself at all from the way they described me.

"They mentioned mean things about me, but the fact that they involved Marcelo, my husband, crossed the line. He is the man I love, my friend and has been my biggest support over the last years.

"We have been band mates for 9 years, experienced good times and not so good ones. I thought I knew them, but I was wrong.

"Still everything that has happened is not enough to make them evil in my eyes.

"Now comes a time to calm down and reflect upon all of this.

"I need to put my feelings together again and I promise to come back to public soon.
I will announce a press conference where I will be talking about my future plans. This doesn't mean that you should expect this conference to be an instrument to attack anybody. It won't.

"The wonderful music we created together won't be touched by recent events.

"Thanks a lot to all the people who are supporting me during these sad times. My family, friends, colleagues, and the great number of fans. I love you and I really feel I have not failed you."


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:54 am 
You'll notice she really still doesn't refute anything. :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:55 am 
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I think it's a better atittude of her then to refute and start endless fights in public. She's not badmouthing them, she's treating the affair like a lady, that's not bad. And there is a hidden reply to two points made in the letter, the one about her wishing to leave and the one about her not caring for the band. By expressing shock, surprise and pain at their decision she cancels those two points in a very subtle manner.
Also, she doesn't defend herself, but she does stand up for her husband, which is what a wife should do. I really like the way she handled this so far.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:24 pm 
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Im really confused about how to feel about this...

On one hand I can totally see where Tuomas is coming from, Nightwish is his creation and he doesn't want to jeopordise its brilliance by having any members not totally dedicated to the band for the right reasons. Even though he chose one of the worst possible ways to exercise what he thought was the only action in the best interests of his band, I have respect for the way he acted swiftly and strongly in carrying out his decision.

On the other hand, I feel for Tarja because her reply seems very genuine, I don't think she saw this coming at all and even if she was acting like a bitch in the recent past and taking Nightwish for granted, it obviously means a great deal to her to be in such a fantastic band. After being so viciously criticised in public she has so far taken it very gracefully, and has refused to lash out with anger and retalliate. She has instead chosen to gather her thoughts, and let everything sink in before responding to the harsh letter posted on the bands' official web site of all places, and I have a lot of respect for this too.


I guess all we can do is learn the lessons presented to us here.

I think Tuomas let a breakdown in communication get the better of him. If he had of been more open with Tarja about what he saw from his point of view, if he had not let not let the silence go on for so long and in fact taken more control of what was happening within his own band, perhaps the diferrances could have been sorted out.

And I think if Tarja had of shown the band more respect and not taken for granted the wonderful thing she was such a big part of, the band wouldn't have been so alienated by her attitude as to want her out of the band for good. Although she keeps to herself and isn't "one of the boys", Tarja has always come across to me as a beautiful human being, and I'm sure that if she had of known the way the rest of the band truly felt about the way she was acting then I'm sure she would have taken steps to rectify the situation.

I could be wrong about all this. I don't know these people personally, and I don't know much of what has trapsired to bring this about in the last few years, but I think it was the combination of a communication breakdown and a lack of respect that brought this about. I think everyone could have handled themselves much better then they have, but such is life. You only learn after you make mistakes, and you only realise what you had once it's gone. Hopefully in time they all learn from what has happened here and they are better people for it.

I guess there is one thing I can figure out right now. The fans are the big losers here. Fingers crossed sometime in the future they can sort out their differances and we have a happy ending, but it doesn't look good.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:04 pm 
Marcelo = Yoko


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:39 pm 
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HumanTorch wrote:
Marcelo = Yoko


It definitely seems that way.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:53 pm 
Nightwish > Tarja > Yoko > Marcelo!


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MetalStorm wrote:
http://www.nightwish.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24426

The post is about 20 pages but be forewarned you will experience either a sense of anger of laughter at some of those posts depending on your mood.


I got to page 6 and gave up.

"ill fuckin suicide" = Winner!


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[6EN6KI6] wrote:
MetalStorm wrote:
http://www.nightwish.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24426

The post is about 20 pages but be forewarned you will experience either a sense of anger of laughter at some of those posts depending on your mood.


I got to page 6 and gave up.

"ill fuckin suicide" = Winner!


I didn't make it that far, but I liked this post on page three...

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I think Tarja has an ego the size of... whatever the biggest planet is
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I think she is dumb


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:55 pm 
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I think Tarja has an ego the size of... whatever the biggest planet is
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I think she is dumb

Hahahaha! I didn't even get 6 replies in before I gave up! That shit is funny, though. My signature is an actual reply I saw on a messageboard! A serious reply!! =)


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:16 am 
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but she does stand up for her husband, which is what a wife should do.


That's sexist and wrong. Are you implying that a woman should subjugate her opinion for the sake of appeasing her male counterpart--to not have an opinion of her own?

I'm not saying what she did was wrong, but your comment was.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:36 am 
Jaden wrote:
the666th wrote:
but she does stand up for her husband, which is what a wife should do.


That's sexist and wrong. Are you implying that a woman should subjugate her opinion for the sake of appeasing her male counterpart--to not have an opinion of her own?

I'm not saying what she did was wrong, but your comment was.

WHAT? A wife SHOULD stand up for her husband, as should a husband stand up for his wife! Family for family, a friend for a friend, etc.

There's nothing at all wrong with that comment. Are you saying that if some people were talking trash about you to your wife/girlfriend and she didn't defend you you'd be OK with that? Nigga, please!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:55 am 
Eyesore wrote:
Jaden wrote:
the666th wrote:
but she does stand up for her husband, which is what a wife should do.


That's sexist and wrong. Are you implying that a woman should subjugate her opinion for the sake of appeasing her male counterpart--to not have an opinion of her own?

I'm not saying what she did was wrong, but your comment was.

WHAT? A wife SHOULD stand up for her husband, as should a husband stand up for his wife! Family for family, a friend for a friend, etc.

There's nothing at all wrong with that comment. Are you saying that if some people were talking trash about you to your wife/girlfriend and she didn't defend you you'd be OK with that? Nigga, please!


What he said.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:02 am 
Eyesore wrote:
Jaden wrote:
the666th wrote:
but she does stand up for her husband, which is what a wife should do.


That's sexist and wrong. Are you implying that a woman should subjugate her opinion for the sake of appeasing her male counterpart--to not have an opinion of her own?

I'm not saying what she did was wrong, but your comment was.

WHAT? A wife SHOULD stand up for her husband, as should a husband stand up for his wife! Family for family, a friend for a friend, etc.

There's nothing at all wrong with that comment. Are you saying that if some people were talking trash about you to your wife/girlfriend and she didn't defend you you'd be OK with that? Nigga, please!


Nigga please indeed.


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