Metal Reviews

Old Metallica, new Metallica. None of it matters when compared to the greatness of Iron Maiden.

Along with Exodus, Overkill, Anthrax, Kreator, Slayer, Dave Mustaine and Megadeth, and Sodom. All these bands are just as responsible for the birth of thrash metal as Metallica, so why does Metallica always get sole credit?

Because, damnit !, they were the first and kept on a high level of quality til '88... because they became more than just the leaders of the thrash scene, they became, along with Iron Maiden, the BIGGEST metal band EVER !!!!

imo, that justifies everything....

No point in getting into a Metallica vs. Everyone else arguement because we've already done it to death, but if you want to be factually correct, Overkill and Exodus both predate Metallica, though Metallica was the first one to get a record deal and get an album out.

And ya... Their mainstream popularity doesn't justify other bands not getting their credit in a creation of a genre. But penis.

the few months gap between Kill'Em All and the release of the following thrash album (whoever that was that released it) made all the difference back then... I know you're too yong to even consider this element as relevent but that was really what pushed Metallica to be consired as the leader of the american (and thus overall) thrash scene... this and the quality of their first 4 albums of course !

Iron Maiden. I cannot fucking STAND the vocals in Metallica.

Ride The Lightning would be utterly excellent if the vocals didn't piss me off so much.

Maybe it is that I'm too young or something, but I don't see what the first thrash album's release has anything to do with anything since all those other bands were already there. If nobody was thrashing until 1983, then they heard Metallica, and then started playing, then I'd understand. But Metallica was fortunate. The first could have been Overkill; quite a bit of Feel the Fire was written long before it was recorded due to label-related turbulence.

Speaking of which, Venom's first two albums predate Metallica by two and one year.

Besides, you can't get into who-influenced-who debates with this kind of discussion, especially since Metallica had a huge NWOBHM influence, which was led by Iron Maiden.

There's something i still don't get:what about the Black album?
I understand the other people on the forum dismiss it,that's because they're young and they don't want to have their "underground" image blown to pieces.But what about you?Is it so difficult to concede this album is great...maybe even more than great:unique.

Oh come on Stefan, you didnt think I was gonna let you get away with claiming that Metallica started Thrash?? Exodus was thrashing before Metallica was.....Venom and Motorhead as well.

Read: I'm older than you, therefore you know nothing.

Metallica started Thrash, what nonsense.

Well said.

Stop bitching. I don't like the Black Album because I feel that liking it would diminish my "underground kvltness..." I don't like it because its a shitty album. Brilliant logic, by the way. "They don't like this album, so they must be young and care about image!"

Emmerder: You've got it perfectly.

Metallica didnt start thrash, and they never ever put out the best thrash, and as far as consistency, my diahhrea is more consistent. I'm sorry Stefan but I think you're totally wrong. Metallica doesnt deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Iron Maiden. Maiden pretty much invented their own sound....Metallica borrowed from everyone from Savage to Motorhead to Budgie to THin Lizzy. They are a cookie cutter band and have been putting out Mediocre material their whole career. The reason they are so popular is because the music is easy to listen to and any idiot can bob his head to Master of Puppets and say what a great song it is.

Terror you forgot to mention Diamond Head. Oh, and watchtower when it comes to And Justice for All.

Metallica are an overrated band. A good band (or at least used to be), with some good albums (like Kill 'em All or Justice), good riff oriented music, but that's about it. Maiden, although overrated as well, are one of the pioneers, and a musical influence for many bands.

But just think about this : When EMI wanted to sign a nwobhm band they first turned to Angelwitch, who had already signed with a small label. So then they picked Maiden. Imagine if Angelwitch was now the "huge" band, would you compare them to Metallica? What I'm trying to say is, most of the reasons people used to illustrate their point was "But Metallica invented this, Maiden invented that ", "Maiden are huge etc". None of the pair invented shit. Both genres were there before either of them showed up. Judge the music, not the promotion. And why compare anyway, music is a matter of taste, it's not a freaking contest.

And last but not least : What have any of the two done lately? Sure Maiden still put out decent albums, but they are as much of a supermarket as Metallica, bringing out best of, after live, after box set, after best of, all containing pretty much the same songs. Think about this as well and don't be so quick on the worship front. Listen to Virtue, Satan, Angelwitch, Saxon, Cloven Hoof and then tell me if Maiden were the greatest band of the new wave. Listen to Exodus and tell me if Metallica were the greatest in Bay Area.

Anyhoo just some food for thought.

Oh my, this is a hard one.

I dont think i'll be able to actually pick one of them out. I love both of them. Both bands are very different, so its hard to say which i like better.
Both bands older material is awesome and both bands newer stuff is ok (not including St. Anger). Maiden hasnt had an album that has totally impressed me since Somewhere In Time.....possibly X-Factor, but that could have been better.
Brave New World disappointed me in a few areas, as did Dance Of Death. Load and Reload were still pretty good, despite Metallica changing their style, i still enjoyed it.
If i had to go by what both bands have done is the last 5 years, then i'd say Iron Maiden.
Overall, its too hard to judge. Both bands have influenced so many other bands and gotten so many people into metal....

What can i say....IT'S A TIE

Well I still think Maiden was the best NWOBHM band by sheer virtue of the consistency of their catalog. Cloven Hoof only had two good albums, the debut and a Sultans Ransom. Satan only put out two albums, Tygers of Pan Tang only had three good albums....so many of the big NWOBHM bands either folded right away, or began to produce crap, something Iron Maiden didnt do....right away at least.

Well, Satan is back together now, so hopefully they'll release new material and it will be awesome. And has anyone heard the new Diamond Head that came out this year? Or Satan's recent live album? And why does nobody mention Saxon? Saxon is excellent. And Blitzkrieg! I believe they just released a new album too.

diamond head have been RUINED by the new vocalist, when they were opening for megadeth he dressed and acted like a poseur, demanded moshpits and they only played (well, near enough anyways) material off the new album, which no-one had! although, am i evil was fucking amazing!

Yeah Cloven Hoof is releasing a new album as well, and only Lee Payne remains from the original line up...so I dont know how I feel about that.

All these bands getting back together, and so few of them being any good... In any case, Metal Archives says the new Cloven Hoof album is already out.

Edit: Never mind, the official website says it comes out on Halloween.