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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 5:54 pm 
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Two things.

1. A chick who's into nu-metal is more likely to be hot than a chick into... power or black metal or something. The fact that she's willing to be educated is awesome.

2. Don't fucking diss Killswitch Engage, man. They're NOT Nu-metal. Not at all! They're metalcore/thrash, and they kick some serious ass.


1. My main chick (say: wife) is into psy-trance / prog-techno and she's quite hot though.

2. My ass must be armored. I make a bet. In let's say 2 years or so "Metalcore" will be seen as what it is: the second wave of Nu-Metal. This doesn't mean that the quality of the music is necessarily bad (same for Nu-Metal) but it's all there: commercial expectations, a largely non-metal audience, and, oversimplification as to the music. Of course there will be some masterworks in the beginning but the bunch of 3rd-class followers plus their mallcore listeners will make the metal-scene to turn away.


Oversimplified music? Killswitch Engage are good musicians, and their music is not simple. They also don't have much of a large non-metal audience, moreso than a band like "Blind Guardian", but they still don't have a very large non-metalhead audience. Also, KsE wasn't that popular to start out. They were still a pretty small band with "Alive or just Breathing". They got popular for what they were already doing, not because they pulled an "In Flames". Don't attack good music just because it gets popular.


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It quite funny how you are trying to convince everyone that the bands you listen to are not hardcore or nu-metal, but that they are metal. just admit it: you listen to a metalcore band! that does not take away their ability to be good. I hate the view that certain people have about metalcore: is it good? then it's metal, is it bad? then it's hardcore/metalcore. Killswitch Engage is just an example of a nice metalcore band.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:27 pm 
Jaden wrote:
Open Mind wrote:
Jaden wrote:
Two things.

1. A chick who's into nu-metal is more likely to be hot than a chick into... power or black metal or something. The fact that she's willing to be educated is awesome.

2. Don't fucking diss Killswitch Engage, man. They're NOT Nu-metal. Not at all! They're metalcore/thrash, and they kick some serious ass.


1. My main chick (say: wife) is into psy-trance / prog-techno and she's quite hot though.

2. My ass must be armored. I make a bet. In let's say 2 years or so "Metalcore" will be seen as what it is: the second wave of Nu-Metal. This doesn't mean that the quality of the music is necessarily bad (same for Nu-Metal) but it's all there: commercial expectations, a largely non-metal audience, and, oversimplification as to the music. Of course there will be some masterworks in the beginning but the bunch of 3rd-class followers plus their mallcore listeners will make the metal-scene to turn away.


Oversimplified music? Killswitch Engage are good musicians, and their music is not simple. They also don't have much of a large non-metal audience, moreso than a band like "Blind Guardian", but they still don't have a very large non-metalhead audience. Also, KsE wasn't that popular to start out. They were still a pretty small band with "Alive or just Breathing". They got popular for what they were already doing, not because they pulled an "In Flames". Don't attack good music just because it gets popular.


Killswtich Engage is on some "taste of chaos tour" with,

THE USED, MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE, SENSES FAIL

KSE Is a good band, but no self respecting metal band would do anything with those bands.

HeavenShallBurn is good metalcore esk. o_o


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:10 pm 
I know Killswitch is metalcose. I never denied it. I think they have spme thrash influence as well, but are still mostly metalcore.

I don't hate metalcore. I don't hate any metal genre as a whole (I thought that "Reroute to Remain" was even a good example of using nu metal influences tastefully).


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Jaden wrote:
Don't attack good music just because it gets popular.


This wasn't my intention at all. Contrary, I'm one of the rare species who even defends even Nu-Metal. Why do people always get mad, when someone puts that label? It is not a quality criteria per se.

However, I predict that Metalcore will be suffering exactly the same fate. Time will tell.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 12:09 am 
Nu metal is dead. The biggest nu bands went mainstream and the rest of them died. The same will happen to metalcore only the biggest in the genre will remain popular in the metal community. KSE is one of those bands. Possibly also Unearth and Heaven Shall Burn.


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Open Mind wrote:
Jaden wrote:
Don't attack good music just because it gets popular.


This wasn't my intention at all. Contrary, I'm one of the rare species who even defends even Nu-Metal. Why do people always get mad, when someone puts that label? It is not a quality criteria per se.

However, I predict that Metalcore will be suffering exactly the same fate. Time will tell.


That was exactly what i was trying to get across... I didn't (mean to) say that you hate metalcore Jaden...


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:18 am 
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Open Mind wrote:
Jaden wrote:
Don't attack good music just because it gets popular.


This wasn't my intention at all. Contrary, I'm one of the rare species who even defends even Nu-Metal. Why do people always get mad, when someone puts that label? It is not a quality criteria per se.

However, I predict that Metalcore will be suffering exactly the same fate. Time will tell.


That was exactly what i was trying to get across... I didn't (mean to) say that you hate metalcore Jaden...


You guys could be right. The big difference between metalcore and nu-metal though, even besides the talent in the musicianship, is what it stands for. Nu-metal was whiny and pretentous (I'm generalizing. By Nu-metal I'm refering to the popular whiny ones, aka 98% of Nu-metal). It was goth feed (bands like slipknot and korn gave all the whiny 14 year old goths a trend to be a part of). I don't really see metalcore doing that, and metalcore might be very popular in the scene, but I still don't hear it on the radio. The Nu-metal thing was about more than the music, it was about being a trendy self-serving pity whore, and I think that's why it got such idiot mass appeal. My two cents, but you guys could be right.


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I believe it was you who said that something couldn't be nu-metal because of its rate of commercialization, and only because of the music...


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:55 pm 
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I believe it was you who said that something couldn't be nu-metal because of its rate of commercialization, and only because of the music...


I know that. As stated, I was refering to the commercial nu-metal, not all of it. I pointed that out.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:05 pm 
Nu metal had the whiny goths, but metalcore has the emo kids.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:12 pm 
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Nu metal had the whiny goths, but metalcore has the emo kids.


It has a few. But most emo kids listen to... well, emo.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:05 pm 
Emo kids must only live in the USA I guess, here we've only semi-depressed-goth-kiddies.


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indeed, anyone has an example of an emo?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:17 pm 
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indeed, anyone has an example of an emo?


http://www.somethingdirectory.com/main_emo.htm


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The first metal album i listened to was
Obituary-Slowly We Rot at the age of 11.I liked the cover of the album so i bought it never thinking it was that kind of music...
Before that i didnt listen to music...


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After I had listened to Nu Metal for about 2 years, my brother got 4 Hammerfall songs from someone (I don't know from whom until today), and after I heard the first song (it was "the dragon lies bleeding") I only thought: MORE!!! This is how I started to listen to Metal...
So for me Nu Metal was the first step towards Metal, but today I think that's the only thing it's good for... :mrgreen:


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