Metal Reviews

You're good at selective replying

Personal insults? Nonsense. I just pointed out things in your posts that I found to be ridiculous. No need to get angry about it now, it's just a music discussion. The only thing that might amount to an insult is the idiocy part, and that was not directed at any one person. I was remarking on the general hysteria of the site's readers after such a review.

And for the record, your initial comment included "emo vocals". Even among the virtual sea of lame and indiscript criticisms you threw that stands out as being hilarious. Lame drums, another lame psuedo-criticism that has no backing. And I doubt you have studied the new album in enough detail to be familiar with the structure of the songs, I doubt you even listened to the new album at all from the way you talk about it (maybe in 30 second spurts on each track?). The only thing you have said that actually applies directly to the band is that they have a fair amount of down-tuned chug-based riffing, but the guitar playing on this record is much more diverse than that, from tremelo picked riffery to acoustic melodicism.

I may seem like an asshole to you, but you can't please everybody. It just bugs me when some elitist talks out of his ass about some album he isn't even familiar with. It's obvious you don't really know what you're talking about when you attempt to bash the album, so why not just stick to darkthrone and let everyone benefit?

Am I shocked by the revelation that you dislike SOAD? Amazingly, this does not come as a surprise to me, so please don't imply that it does!

Perhaps I made a smartass comment, but the fact remains you have yet to provide us with criteria by which SOAD do not fit into the category of "metal". Apparently a metal band needs "riffs" "energy" and "melody"... Come on man: Every SOAD song has a riff: A riff is just a repeated phrase around which a songs development is based! Clearly they also have melodies as well... Of course wether they are GOOD riffs and GOOD melodies is entirely a matter of opinion, but their presence in SOAD songs is a matter of hard fact. And energy is just something completely nebulous that can be applied to anything or nothing as the case may be.

And although you are at pains to deny that you dislike them for purely kvlt reasons, the fact that you then proceeded to describe them as "faggoty mallcore", and insinuated that their fans are only capable of accepting a "watered down" presentation of metal indicates that this may not be the case. This is certainly the lingo of the ubertr00.

Rio, I know you would not be shocked that I don't like SOAD... you have been around here long enough to know that SOAD don't do it for me.
Perhaps "faggoty mallcore" should have been "mallcore"... my bad.
But... BUT metal is riff-based (you know what I mean by riffs, hell anything with a guitar TECHNICALLY has riffs), and the fact is they are Nu-metal/mallcore/MTV metal... whatever you want to call it, it has no place in my CD player... I listen to EVERYTHING from Johnny Cash to Psychobilly to swing to classical to (some) new-wave to old school soul and R and B to Punk to deathrock to eletronica to traditional metal to black metal (not much jazz, alas, but I do know that it has some good shit in its catalogue) so how does that make me an elitist ubertr00 bastard?
I know what I like and what I don't like, its tjat simple.
V.

Just what these forums needed... another cyber-culero...
reading your posts in all the other threads you have "graced" thus far, all you seem capable of is insults and acting like an arrogant ass... you know everything, everyone else is stupid and wankers and tr00 kvlt, thickheaded don't know whay they are talking about, blahblahblah.... Why don't you get some manners?
Bah, I have nothing more to say to you, arguing with mannerless arrogant I-know-everything-you-know-nothing culos that bases all his attacks on assumptions and "I doubts" has got to be one of the most futile endeavors known to man... so until you get some manners,
V.

Thanks for proving my point.

I agree that SOAD are MTV metal, but only to the extent that they are played on MTV comparatively frequently. Musically, there are great differences between them and the nu crowd, most of whom no longer exist. In SOADs work there is great innovation and great originality. The bands that can merge Eastern European folk influences into their work better than SOAD are few indeed, and that includes a lot of underground BM bands. And I really can't see a criteria that expels them from the metal category either. If we can accept both the fastest thrash riffs and the slowest doom ones into the metal canon, then surely SOAD's, which usualy fall somewhere between the two, are admissable.

In fact, the only argument I can see against their inclusion is, in fact, the whole kvlt "metal should never be mainstream" angle. Ironically I find this more likely to convince than the claims that styllistically they are unqualified.

Whatever.... I can leave it at that.

Fair enough... but let me ask you a question: why do I even need a reason other than aesthetically they do not work for me?
V.

Well clearly you need no reason to dislike their music. I myself enjoy them to a certain extent, but would not call myself a huge fan of theirs. However, I do believe that they are an authentic metal band, and it is wrong to disqualify them from this genre.

Perhaps not, but I have very strict criteria regarding metal; I guess when it comes to metal I am an elitist... though as I said I find good stuff in many, many genres; I listen to a lot of Psychobilly/Horrorbilly , and Deathrock (Christian Death, Cinema Strange, The Vanishing...) but I like my metal "pure", so to speak; some people can't handle the fact that their are purists out there (for some reason their panties get all bunched up when met with a metal purist, not saying that you are one of them, I always find your arguments eminently reasonable).
Anyway, SOAD, to me at least, represent Nu-metal, whether or not it is a valid genre of metal is always a controversy, as we all know.
V.

I'm sure we can agree to disagree here then.

Of course; theres something for everyone in this world, after all.
V.

I don't see how anyone could defend their single as good music. I'm sure the actual album has some redeeming songs otherwise there wouldn't be such passionate defense. But that single has permanently evaporated all interest I will ever have in that band. I might pull out their earlier albums once every 6 months and give them a spin.

To be honest, I found it mildy amusing at first, but the novelty wore off quick. It drags on too long, and though I get the "joke" of the mtv chorus it just doesn't add up to good listening on repeated listens. So yeah, I see exactly where you are coming from, but if you're a fan of the band (even a mild one) why would you write the entire album based on that single? The rest of the album is definitely several steps above BYOB, though they obviously don't spare us their quirkiness, for better or worse.

Ok, I'll check out the rest of the album some time in the distant future. I made my point about the single.

you are right, the whole album thrives off of BYOB. It is the first "song" on the cd. Which in most cases that dosnt really mean anything, but i mean all the other songs after that just seem the same. Even violent pornography felt like it could be named BYOP (bring your own porn)

The best song I've heard from it so far is 'Question', which still is nowhere near as good as anything from their s/t.

BAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!

:shock:
The monkeys are coming! Flee! Flee for your liiiiiiives!!!!!

Like other people have said in here....I CANNOT STAND THIS SHITTY BAND!
Hearing them is pain to my ears. That guys voice is soooooo annoying, i just cant stand it. I'd rather listen to Hetfield's off-key wailling on St. Anger than this guy.
I dont even think i can call SOAD metal.....its worse than nu-metal.

But there's always someone who's gonna like them...i dont know why.

SOAD is so bad, and yes, i have heard pretty much all of their stuff, that it makes bands like Linkin Park sound great.

What I want to know is why people prefer this Nu-Metal band over the likes of KoRn or Slipknot. What makes them so much better? :?