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You could just as easily claim Jesus was a homosexual. People will write long, boring books about almost any subject and other people will read them because it is percieved to be intellectual.

And burning churches because they brainwash people? Please. They brainwash the ones that want to be brainwashed, Church attendance is at an all-time low. Go burn down your local TV broadcast station, that'd do more good.



It was Napoleon. The whole French revolution was what you and Desolitary seem to want, a revolution against the church and 'sheep mentality', yet all that was achieved was another dictatorship. Look at Communism, in all the countries it has been implemented, the end result is a dictator, or near total economic collapse in Russia's case. There will always be sheep, you cannot change that, and so therefore there will always be dictators of one sort or another. The church as a dictator is preferable to the product of a revolution.

At the end of the day, the rich control the world, and the poor rebel in one form or another against them. Why not try to get yourself on in life instead of this immature teenage dream where the world can be changed by your actions? Help, don't hinder, if you truly want to do good.

You misunderstood my point; if you go back and re-read my posts, you'll see that I clearly state that I don't care if people choose a life of sheepdom; I will live my life in accordance with my values and raise my children thusly. BUT... if organized religion were to brought to it long overdue end, I would not exactly shed a tear.
And make no mistake about it, the church is very actively trying to take over the government through political maneuvering, so a dictatorship run by the church IS their goal, and I am sorry, but it is not preferrable to the product of a revolution, a return to the proper way of life (read: pagan )
If you want to live in a theocracy, try Iran.
V.

Dictatorship run by church = America?

I meant the church in its current state of public view (paedophile priests, etc) rather than the church taking over the world and making 1984 happen.

And I'm perfectly happy in England.

The amount of defeatism that runs rife throughout the population of western society is truly a sight to behold. People are constantly covering their asses with these "everything is fucked so why bother trying" conclusions, any benevolent idea, any optimistic inkiling instantaneously finds itself crushed amidst the despondency.

Yes, 'at the end of the day' society will always be comprised of followers and leaders, that is the fundamental rule of the group and it cannot be changed, but it can be structured in a way that minimises powerlessness. Every society found its beginnings in the purely arrogant bravery of a few belligerant folks, in war. When some scattered leaderless group came under threat from an outside source there was always one man that rose up from that group to reforge it in his own image and make it ready to face the enemy. Society is the extention of one man's will upon a population who willingly accept it (and ipso facto give up their own) in order to be able to fight off some greater enemy, that is the basic blueprint of every society that has ever existed and that means that in every society there is always, and has always been a segment that leads and a segment that follows and it also means that without war, without opposition and danger, all societies crumble. Since our society is devoid of danger it is obvious that it has lost the one thing it needs to convince a population that there is some reason why they should listen to their belligerant warlord and his laws; there is no obvious POINT to society.

We are not the only civilization to be going through this period of pointless existence, but every society that has been through a similar period has progressively dissolved into barbarism because a developed society is a large society and as a society grows the link between leader and follower, warlord and serf, becomes more and more non existent, so in all large societies there is are problems with powerlessness and alienation, which in wartime is acceptable but in periods of peace becomes implausible, making a general opinion of individualism and distance from the state the acceptable norm within the mass. People begin to feel dissillusioned with the current state of affairs, they become bored and decadent and they eventually discard the notion that they have to be the victim and that they can only unleash their anger when an outside force attacks them (an idea typical of Christianity) and they themselves become the aggressors, they revert back to a primal state and thereby create the violence and terror that a society needs in order to remain a society.

The U.S. is forever exploiting the idea that a population with terrifying enemies is a happy population through their stream of state organized wars that have been happening over the past fifty years and their demonization of criminal acts like drug peddling. Television, newspapers, sporting events, these are all things that have found their place in the world as outlets for our aggression, as pacifiers and liquids to quench our thirst for blood. The west knows that without an enemy, without an element that produces fear in a population, the structure of the nation will crumble.

And when a population sees through the illusory enemies that have been arranged to divert their attentions away from their own lack of strength in the social context, it will take steps to rectify the situation and provide itself with real challenges. When a population sees that there is no real enemy, it will arrange itself into the most liberal social form possible; the tribe.

The world looks like a very different place to the tribesman than it does to the cosmopolitan, refined fellow. To the tribesman there is no reality save the reality that surrounds him, no confusion and few misunderstandings. The tribesman must merely have a whim in order to be able to see it come into ultimate fruition; he is truly a working part of his society. The existence of other tribes affords him a source of wonder, he can play the explorer, he can play the warrior, he can play the diplomat; the world is truly ripe for the picking to a man whose only education is experience. A plethora of independent tribes all working towards their own ends of personal self expression through culture, technology and war, free from the refined theosophies of religions like Christianity, is a truly humanistic, truly beautiful arrangement. Within a tribe there still remains the leader/follower staple of all societies, but a leader can be deposed far easier if he lives three houses away from you and respects your personal opinion, sees the loss of your life as being something moving and understands that if he doesn't please you, you will cause him more problems; all ideas that don't exist, or exist in extremely reduced capacitiy in distant leader/follower relationships. Intimate contact is the greatest form of communication; so much more can be communicated unspokenly between people than can be penned or voiced or drawn.

If we concur that the less socially acceptable of our habbits are necessary for our general wellbeing, then we must accept that the Christian sentiments that our world is infused with need to be discarded as being no longer plausible and no longer apt; peace doesn't need to be achieved at all costs, the concepts behind 'help and hinderment' as you put it are not as black and white as all that, and above all, massive societies, societies that go beyond an individual's immediate surroundings are only ever beneficial when there is an large force that will reduce the basal mass of smaller societies into oblivion if it isn't met with a force of equal proportion.



Again, a church is symbolic of this pro 'brainwashed' mindset, it isn't the disease and my one action certainly isn't the cure.

Indeed actions at times speak louder than words, but I think, as Valefor mentioned earlier, even Varg realised that church burning was counterproductive. Our "war", so to speak, is a psychological one and therefore the best course of action is to educate yourself. The common man may very well be unable to understand the meaning behind the burning of a symbol such as the church. Looking back at the revolutions and rebellions throughout history, I'd hesitate to even state that the common man doing so understood the significance and philosophy beyond his actions. As per the French Revolution, it took the death of Danton to end the Reign of Terror; for Robespierre to finally feel the brunt of his own fanaticism.
As you stated earlier, the common man is by nature animalistic. However, he does not become the predator, the wolf (the Erilaz/Heruli or Jomsviking ). He becomes the sheep, or perhaps better embodies the collective flock. This is human nature and Christianity caters to this, although I would say that in this day and age we are encountering an enemy far worse than Christianity.
Although I strive for the preservation of the original culture of my people, I cannot avoid seeing the ignorance of the common man; I cannot help understanding that often times this ignorance cannot be broken. When the common man is pushed to the edge he will rebel. However, following his rebellion he will promptly return to his previous state and thus history will continue to in this cycle. This is why I think educating yourself is the best course of action. Through education and ascending the social ladder we can have a larger hope of creating, or at least influencing the world toward a path that favours us. I personally put my faith in myself, not in the idea that it is possible to wake up humanity.
And on the note of black metal, the idea I believe true black metal embodies is striving to, in a sense, transcend typical human behaviour. One can only try, though I'd like to think I am on a better path than the average person.
Anyways, my respects to you. You seem like a man of intelligence.

All very intelligent stuff, but tell me - are you the next leader or a tribesman? If you think you are the next leader, you are sadly deluded, my friend, and if you are a tribesman then you will fall into your new place in life without any efforts from you-so why burn churches down?
And if you really wanted a symbol, why not burn down the Pope's palace in Rome? It's all very well burning down these little village churches, but they may be the only thing in some poor old dears' lives, who have only their faith. And waging war on the elderly is not helpful.
Anyways, I'm sure you didn't think all this up on your own (no offence) at 19 years of age, so I'm assuming you got involved with some secret society or something. How thrilling for you! :roll:

At the end of the day, 19 year olds should have better things to occupy themselves with than the future of society. There's nothing you can do! And if you are correct with your analysis, then what should we do, start hoarding weapons and tinned food for when the barbarians come riding into town?

I'm sorry that your own teenage years were so inane that you need to believe what you said in order to retain some dignity[edit: No Offence, there, now I too can claim my insults to be justified]. It's not very difficult to see the problems of society, all in all it's not especially difficult to solve them either; all one needs to do is open one's eyes and look about him with a lucid mind, instead scratching ones arse and looking for the next opportunity to let lose some nihilistic indignation.



How about you carry your philosophy through to its natural conclusion and place a bullet through in your skull so that I don't have to waste my time reading this nay saying shite.

Hey, believe me, I'm a lot more sympathetic to your cause than 99.5% of the world's population. It's very hard to solve society's problems, and it'll take more than a teenager burning down churches to solve them. You could also try answering me sensibly instead of getting all shirty.

It would do him a lot of good to learn some manners or get the fuck out of here.
Hey desolitary:
Stop trying so hard to be oooohhh soooo evil, honestly it's becoming just a bit trite.
V

What questions are you asking that are not already covered in my previous replies? Your questions were initially full of irony and scorn, and now you're trying to pass them off as legitimate and sincere inquiries, why should I have given answers to:



An obvious absurdity; I've not got the means to travel to Italy, marble doesn't ignite, the swiss guard are armed with uzis, I'd probably die in the attempt, I'd most definitely die if I succeeded. You knew all of this already, the question was only your little attempt at humor, why try to pass it off as a something dignified when it's so obviously trivial? The same goes for this:



You're not really asking me whether you should do this, you are asking me this in order to paint a satyrical scene.



Just about every post that I've made on this board thus far has adressed this question.

Ok, I'll admit to a touch of sarcasm there. Let me rephrase: Why not burn down a church that is more internationally recognisable than the one you did, like a cathedral? You didn't answer my 'old people' point, which was made in all serious, about the only thing you achieveed is scare some old people - well done.

Calling me 'defeatist' for thinking that societies' problems will not be solved by arson is stupid. And I genuinly meant no offence with the 'secret society' jab - Church burning is not your idea, so I was trying to point out: instead of automatically calling others brainwashed because their view doesn't match your own, are you sure that you haven't been brainwashed??? Look at yourself through another's eyes. All you look like is a teen delinquent. And yes, church burning may be a symbol, but is the church itself still a viable symbol of oppression? I think not. By such deeds are you not increasing the faith of the faithful, instead of reducing it?

It certainly is, which is probably why I didn't do it. I called you a defeatist because you're arguing from absolute zero, you don't offer any solutions, only reasons why the current methods are unnecessary.



Because I did it spontaneously, on a whim.



You say that as though the elderly are a useless, defenceless social group, you patronize them as being inferior. The old can take care of themselves; I'm being treated to their diatribes at every court appearance.



I don't call people who disagree with my views brainwashed, I think that you're just making up points here to suit your purposes. The only time that I've used the term brainwashed was in quotation marks in response to one of your statements which used the term and I only used it there to generally convey a concept of my own through a vernacular that would be familiar to you; I normally don't use the term to describe anyone.



Good, one stereotype is as inaccurate as another, people who trust distanced impressions are fools and deserve to be treated with as little attention as is implied by their analogous form.



Did I say that it was? The church is symbolic of personal self denial for the sake of apeasing a higher power, of pacifism and self victimization.



I sure am. And cannot that be considered humanistic? Christianity is a religion that is based on masochism, if I hurt them in order to get a point across to a greater segment of society, am I not killing two birds with one stone? Am I not gratifying the need for self denial that the religion implies whilst conveying certain key concepts to the rest of society?

To be hounest, he is not less polite than you are. It's usually not very encouraging to reject a whole essay someone must have worked on for hours with a few words like "I'm sure you didn't think all this up on your own".

Whatever gast... he came out swinging in his first post with terms like "inane", "Imbecile" "apathetic", "tool", etc.
you enter a forum with your first post like an asshole, you gotta expect a little rough treatment in return.
V.

Very true, and you were right mentioning it back then, but he stopped doing that now...

As did I... I just thought telling Z to put a bullet in his head was a little unwarranted.
V.

http://roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/new ... emID=41599

:/

Last time they checked he was... :roll:

So, Desolitary, is this a genuine recantation of your beliefs, or is it just to stop getting buttfucked in prison?