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Suicide is not victory, it's the easy way out. Sure, it takes certain strentgh to do it, but in the end it is only a choice for the weak.


there's a school of thought which says that autopiloting through your life as others expect you to, and dying of old age is the easy way out.. I can't say that people who commit suicide are especially weak, just that they've made their own choice.


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Tell me valefor, what DOES achieve something? Writing whiney songs and brooding over worldly problems? Attempting (very badly) to play the indifferent and aloof yet sardonic commentator on some BB?

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So violence achieves things? All you're doing is making xtianity look better because some bored teenager burnt a church down. You will not bring about the downfall of christianity yourself, nor will that downfall be achieved by your methods. You'd be far better getting on with life, rather than waiting for Satan to come and sweep you into his arms (I assume you believe in him, just remember Satanism wouldn't exist without Christianity).


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Suicide is not victory, it's the easy way out. Sure, it takes certain strentgh to do it, but in the end it is only a choice for the weak.


Sometimes suicide can be a choice for the weak, other times not. Who are we to judge? A person is responsible for his/her own life.


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So violence achieves things? All you're doing is making xtianity look better because some bored teenager burnt a church down. You will not bring about the downfall of christianity yourself, nor will that downfall be achieved by your methods. You'd be far better getting on with life, rather than waiting for Satan to come and sweep you into his arms (I assume you believe in him, just remember Satanism wouldn't exist without Christianity).


I believe niether in Satan nor in regurgitating cliches or being fed someone elses vomit. I'm not a Satanist, I like community and being benevolent to my fellow man, I just don't think that my community should be any greater than my immediate surroundings and that my fellow man should be anyone not intimately affiliated with me. And please, spare me the Satanism is an offshoot of Christianity therefore it is an idiotic excersize excrement. It's obvious that Satan is being used figuratively in all Satanist refferences to him.


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Suicide is not victory, it's the easy way out. Sure, it takes certain strentgh to do it, but in the end it is only a choice for the weak.


Sometimes suicide can be a choice for the weak, other times not. Who are we to judge? A person is responsible for his/her own life.

That is perfectly true, but in the context of a person killing himself for an idea, I think it's not a weakness (if it were, a lot more would do so).


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I'm not taking sides, but...

zadsterboombox wrote:
So violence achieves things?

Sometimes it does, other times not.

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Satanism wouldn't exist without Christianity.

It's counterculture. I'm not a satanist (to be honest i think most satanists are complete retards) but i find some of them very intelligent. There are many interpretations of satanism, just as there are many interpretations of christianity.


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you're stereotyping christians, for a start.


Of course I am, how else am I supposed to cohesively define them? When analyzing a group you have two choices; you can either focus on their similarities or on their differences, if you focus on their differences then inevitably your understanding of the group as a group will be torn asunder, in order to be able to consider a group a group you need to define them by their similarities, which will allow you to draw a general picture (a stereotype) by way of which you can understand the group as an entity in itself. I generalize because I have too. While it is true that not all Christians act like they want to felate Jesus Christ, I think that it's pretty safe to assume that every Christian, in one way or another, tends to follow the doctorines of humility and ascetism that the Christian church (of any denomination) endorses.

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second, if you disagree, it's your right to have your own opinion, but it's the church's and the christian's right to have their own faith, wether you agree with them or not. they're not threading on your toes, why must you thread on theirs?


What the fuck is the use of having an opinion if I can't carry it through to it's logical conclusion? To allow me to look cool when I hold a conversation with other people? I don't want to wear my opinions as I do my pants, I don't want to reduce my thoughts to mere trifles; why should I resign myself to the confused sedation of in vogue ideation?

Also; "tread", not "thread".

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it is common knowledge that arsonist are usually victims of child molesters


Sure, a piece of knowledge that competes for commonality only with the idea that people who use Vlad the Impaler as their avatar have an unconscious desire to be brutally sodomized with pikes.

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The intellectually superior being uses art to propigate their ideas; the intellectually inferior being, bereft of a better method, resorts to mindless violence and senseless destruction.


This is a typically priestly opinion; an obvious attempt at defending a natural inability to physically assert oneself. Violence and destruction are far from mindless or senseless, human beings have an inborn capacity for competition, for aggression; if you felt any emotion whatsoever in writing your limp-dick diatribe it would have been a misguided form of aggression that was originally designed to aid you in hunting boar but that is now being channelled into this most mundane of activities. Make no mistake about it, the further we travel into 'refined', 'intellectual' and 'developed' spheres, the further we are effeminizing and emasculating ourselves; we are belligerant, coarse and cruel beings and ever will it be so.

Also, the 'intellectually superior being' might also want to think about using proper grammar when He expresses His ideas.

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Don't misunderstand my possition: I think that xtianity and its ilk are a blight upon humanity, but burning down churches, assaulting preists, etc. is juvenile and, worse, acheives nothing.


Tell me valefor, what DOES achieve something? Writing whiney songs and brooding over worldly problems? Attempting (very badly) to play the indifferent and aloof yet sardonic commentator on some BB?

Tool

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Buddhist monk burning himself = respect.
Muslim suicide bomber = not respect.


Is what you're typing even being consciously considered before it makes it into your replies? Why is one guy destroying himself somehow worthy of respect but one guy destroying others not? Why is self destruction some noble, venerable fucking activity? Some unfeeling monk putting himself through pain just for shits somehow inspires your respect and yet I'll bet that seeing a harlot that has lost all self respect and diginity, a human being that is shattered and unfeeling in every way would inspire pity in you, and yet the similarity of these two people in their different stations in life would probably not occour to you.


Yeah, it takes a real man to light a match... idiot.
The only reason you liken intellect to being effeminate is because you are obviously a knuckle-dragging troglodyte ... go ahead burn down more churches.. while you are at it, beat up a few old women as well, that should make you feel like a man.
I mean what kind of attention seeking buffon burns down an inanimate object and then goes online to brag about it?
Are we supposed to be impressed? I am sorry your daddy never hugged you and that you have to cry yourself to sleep every night while hugging your pillows, but I am not impressed, nor are your tired and cliched diatribes of even the slightes importance or interest to me or anyone else with a brain evolved past the hindbrain.
This is tiresome and a bore, so have a nice day, I have nothing more to say to you.
V.


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The only reason you liken intellect to being effeminate is because you are obviously a knuckle-dragging troglodyte ... go ahead burn down more churches.. while you are at it, beat up a few old women as well, that should make you feel like a man.


Again with the bad grammar, it should be; 'The reason you liken intellect to effeminance...'. But no, that's not the reason at all. The reason is that a brute is a brute because he can be, because brutish activities are enough to amuse him and not because those that he brutalizes are somehow of a superior make up to him. of course, it's only natural for them to think that they are; 'intelligence' is the by product of fear, oppression and jealousy, it is a redirection of aggressive urges into a form that can be harmonized with the brute. The clever fellow appears as a reaction to the brute.

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I mean what kind of attention seeking buffon burns down an inanimate object and then goes online to brag about it?


'Brag?' Who's bragging? You people began a discussion of what I did, I think that it's only natural that I should make a contribution to such a discussion. You make it seem as though I logged onto this BB with singed eyebrows and a maniacal grin.

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...nor are your tired and cliched diatribes...


Parrot.

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This is tiresome and a bore, so have a nice day, I have nothing more to say to you.


Girl.


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HAHAHA!
graat comeback... you really put me in my place!
GIRL! priceless... pleaes stay, your material is gold!
Though, I must say, your'e on the wrong forums, son; see, most of us here are somewhat intelligent; you want blabbermouth or whatever other forums the little poseur kiddies are polluting with their drivel these days.
And please excuse my poor grammar, I am typing by the light of my monitor only, and it is hard to see the kryboard.
V.


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But enough comedy.
If people wish to wallow in xtianity/islam.etc., why should I give a damn? It's their life, not mine.
It is tre cliche for the young kiddie Black metal wannabes to feel they have to fight xtianity while spewing forth the most innocous recycled bullshit ad nauseum; please stop with this utter tripe, it is an embarssment to the Black metal community.
I can only exalt myself through deeds of honour, not deeds of disgrace and cowardice.
If others decide to live a life of sheepdom, so be it.
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valefor wrote:
But enough comedy.
If people wish to wallow in xtianity/islam.etc., why should I give a damn? It's their life, not mine.
It is tre cliche for the young kiddie Black metal wannabes to feel they have to fight xtianity while spewing forth the most innocous recycled bullshit ad nauseum; please stop with this utter tripe, it is an embarssment to the Black metal community.
I can only exalt myself through deeds of honour, not deeds of disgrace and cowardice.
If others decide to live a life of sheepdom, so be it.


This reminds me of something that Rob Darken said in an interview. He doesn't see destroying christianity as a realistic goal, because even if all judeo-christian religions are exterminated there will always be a slave mentality among people.


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Hmm, you don't sound like a person that has burned a church a year and a week ago. Or maybe you do, because Varg seems to have (had) a firm hand in your behavior. I'm quite curious how many black metal you have actually heard. As with Varg, you seem to be able to combine eloquency and good rethorics with deeds and opinions that seem to point at lesser intelligence. Crap in a wrap as I like to say. Are you into Naziism?


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Jürgen wrote:
valefor wrote:
But enough comedy.
If people wish to wallow in xtianity/islam.etc., why should I give a damn? It's their life, not mine.
It is tre cliche for the young kiddie Black metal wannabes to feel they have to fight xtianity while spewing forth the most innocous recycled bullshit ad nauseum; please stop with this utter tripe, it is an embarssment to the Black metal community.
I can only exalt myself through deeds of honour, not deeds of disgrace and cowardice.
If others decide to live a life of sheepdom, so be it.


This reminds me of something that Rob Darken said in an interview. He doesn't see destroying christianity as a realistic goal, because even if all judeo-christian religions are exterminated there will always be a slave mentality among people.


Precisely... they would just form another cult.
And, besides, xtianity is too big. Only the most deluded egotistic fool would dare think that they could destroy it.
Its all about individualism, not fpllowing the herd.
V.


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After reading these posts, I can say with near certainty that Desolitary is actually Marilyn Manson. Seriously, go to the mall if you want to soapbox about this. Try Hot Topic, I'm sure you'll find support there.

Also, since you were so quick to jump on V. for his grammar errors...

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Again with the bad grammar, it should be; 'The reason you liken intellect to effeminance...'. But no, that's not the reason at all. The reason is that a brute is a brute because he can be, because brutish activities are enough to amuse him and not because those that he brutalizes are somehow of a superior make up to him. of course, it's only natural for them to think that they are; 'intelligence' is the by product of fear, oppression and jealousy, it is a redirection of aggressive urges into a form that can be harmonized with the brute. The clever fellow appears as a reaction to the brute.


Correct sentence --> Again with the bad grammar. It should be: 'The reason you liken intellect to effeminance...'. Your semi-colon is out of place here and should be replaced with a colon.

The O in of course should be capitalized since it is the first word in a sentence.

No need to thank me for the tips Desolitary. Next time you want to play grammar professor, do it elsewhere.

Thank you for time and attention. Now fuck off.


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valefor wrote:
But enough comedy.
If people wish to wallow in xtianity/islam.etc., why should I give a damn? It's their life, not mine.
It is tre cliche for the young kiddie Black metal wannabes to feel they have to fight xtianity while spewing forth the most innocous recycled bullshit ad nauseum; please stop with this utter tripe, it is an embarssment to the Black metal community.
I can only exalt myself through deeds of honour, not deeds of disgrace and cowardice.
If others decide to live a life of sheepdom, so be it.
V.


Welcome back V!

Anyway, it strikes me that the forums where our mutual friend Desolitary would be most at home are those at ANUS.com. There he will find boards and boards full of people who are unable to appreciate how the real world works, but have enough of a flair for vocabulary and sentence construction to spend their days cyber-fellating eachother, and rejoicing at how their intellectual capabilities have lifted them above the level of the commoner on the street.

As for christianity, I too regard it as a misguided and damaging phenomenon, just like any other organised religion. However, I do not believe that accusations of "sheepdom" and "herd mentality" amongst christians stand as a valid criticism, without also indicating a level of hypocrisy amongst those who would make them. At the age of 21, I can reduce what I want to have acheived by old age to four simple things:

1. I want a hot wife
2. I would like one or two kids
3. I would like to have achieved something memorable within my chosen field
4. I would like to have a kickass record collection

Looking at my life goals like this, I realise that they would be shared by probably 90% of atheist males out there- including many on this site. Surely this means that I am in no position to single out christians as following a herd mentality? The only thing that makes me even slightly unusual in that list is the aesthetics of the music comprising my hypothetical record collection. Human beings are herd animals, and it's best for us just to recognise and embrace this- perhaps even revelling in it some day.


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As with Varg, you seem to be able to combine eloquency and good rethorics with deeds and opinions that seem to point at lesser intelligence. Crap in a wrap as I like to say.


Gast... very well said. Very well said indeed! :D

Honestly, I don't think I've ever heard a better description of Varg.


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After reading these posts, I can say with near certainty that Desolitary is actually Marilyn Manson. Seriously, go to the mall if you want to soapbox about this. Try Hot Topic, I'm sure you'll find support there.

Also, since you were so quick to jump on V. for his grammar errors...

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Again with the bad grammar, it should be; 'The reason you liken intellect to effeminance...'. But no, that's not the reason at all. The reason is that a brute is a brute because he can be, because brutish activities are enough to amuse him and not because those that he brutalizes are somehow of a superior make up to him. of course, it's only natural for them to think that they are; 'intelligence' is the by product of fear, oppression and jealousy, it is a redirection of aggressive urges into a form that can be harmonized with the brute. The clever fellow appears as a reaction to the brute.


Correct sentence --> Again with the bad grammar. It should be: 'The reason you liken intellect to effeminance...'. Your semi-colon is out of place here and should be replaced with a colon.

The O in of course should be capitalized since it is the first word in a sentence.

No need to thank me for the tips Desolitary. Next time you want to play grammar professor, do it elsewhere.

Thank you for time and attention. Now fuck off.


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I can reduce what I want to have acheived by old age to four simple things:

1. I want a hot wife
2. I would like one or two kids
3. I would like to have achieved something memorable within my chosen field
4. I would like to have a kickass record collection

Looking at my life goals like this, I realise that they would be shared by probably 90% of atheist males out there- including many on this site. Surely this means that I am in no position to single out christians as following a herd mentality? The only thing that makes me even slightly unusual in that list is the aesthetics of the music comprising my hypothetical record collection. Human beings are herd animals, and it's best for us just to recognise and embrace this- perhaps even revelling in it some day.


That part of your post made me feel comfortable and justified in my acute misanthropy.. :P


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Well... at least I achieved something today.


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rio wrote:
Gast1 wrote:
As with Varg, you seem to be able to combine eloquency and good rethorics with deeds and opinions that seem to point at lesser intelligence. Crap in a wrap as I like to say.


Gast... very well said. Very well said indeed! :D

Honestly, I don't think I've ever heard a better description of Varg.

Thanks, but if this guy makes music as good as that by Varg, then I'm more than interested :D


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