Metal Reviews

Meh, it's already been done...
V.

I also have a great respect for the proud peoples of the Earth, even if their beliefs go against mine. They are the ones who are creating life and a reason for existence in this pussywhipped world.

When you stop yourself from fighting at a time when you want to, you are compromising, and that's probably the worst thing a person can do. This whole society is built on compromise, and it shits me that people so willingly go along with it.

If you dont like someone elses view, then be fucking proud, have some fucking balls and fucking yell at them.

I'm the fellow that did the deed. Here are some of my views.



Why did you even bother to post such an innane poo poo? Does it give you some sort of satisfaction to know that your apathetic lack of opinion has been scanned by an equally apathetic audience? I didn't do this in order to look like an avant-garde artist, what does it matter if the activity is original or not? You are an imbecile and a Metal Moderate, like this guy:



Whinge, whinge whinge, that's all you people do. A guy burns down a church and first idea that you draw from the event revolves around the perception of metal in greater society. Why do you care about what the world thinks of metal? Our music revolves around anti-societal themes, if you have no anti-societal views then what could you possibly draw from this genre of music? Let me guess, it's some abstract aesthetic aspect of metal that draws you into it; you like the fast drums or the intricate guitar work, or maybe you like the idea of being a part of a mob of people who give off the impression that they have some fucking idea of what your supposed to be doing with your life. Perhaps you're in denial about your own anti-social leanings? I mean after all, metal isn't the only genre of music with fast drums and intricate guitars.



Es macht Spaß, Sündenböcke zu haben.



Of course it's arrogant, that's the whole idea. Humans along with every other category of animal are self obsessed, everyone works towards their own ends in life, under the current system of government, this is undeniable. Some people have enough sense to realize this and to cast away the shackles of delusion that they are born into, while others function via a cloudier mindset.

I suppose you are hoping that the people who read your reply are going to be too daft to percieve that through moralizing my actions and implying that I'm wrong to believe in the superiority both my opinions and the faculties which brought my opinions into existence you are implying your own greater intelligence and your own righteousness. You should be ordained for the clergy, with your high horsery you'd fit in like puzzle piece.



As an element of propaganda, it accomplishes much. It inspires thought and it inspires emotion, it does everything that a good piece of informative advertising ought to. As i've stated innumerable times before; the act is a symbol, a metaphor. Nowhere did I claim that burning the church was a solution, I've always maintained it to be an expression.

The Christian is the archetypal life denier, his conceptions of 'faith', which imply that an individual should abstract himself from his own affairs and place an absolute trust in providence are analogous of the state of the larger amount of western world inhabitants. Granted, our society is, to a large extent, founded on relatively lucid and sober ideas, but it is glaringly obvious that these ideas haven't penetrated the minds of the greater mass.

The status quo of the western world is such that the peoples who inhabit it can only live by exploiting or enduring exploitation (by rationalizing it through something mystical.. like Christianity). It is only through spitting in the face of religion that we can incarnate a point of perspective which shows us the cruel realities of existence in perfect clarity, and it is only after we accept these realities that we can construct something truly, tangibly, great.

Okay then, i was just interested in the motives behind this.
As i said earlier, i don't really give a fuck. A church hasn't really got any value to me.

you're stereotyping christians, for a start.

second, if you disagree, it's your right to have your own opinion, but it's the church's and the christian's right to have their own faith, wether you agree with them or not. they're not threading on your toes, why must you thread on theirs?

third, i like metal and i do care about the perception it has outside. i mean i won't stop listening to it, but it worries me that more and more it's related to negative things and who knows if one day some dumbass goes and bans it?

and metal isn't necessarily dark and anti-social. it can be the way you want it to. and taking the music doesn't imply taking the message as well.

I'll bet your'e a big bed-wetter, aren't you?
Judging from your actions their are two possibilties:
1: You are the reason there are warning labels on the back of canisters of paint thinner to "use in a well ventilated area".
2: You are the poster child for the campaign against fetal alcohol syndrome.

Its fucking retarded kiddies like you that are turning the elite art of Black Metal into a bad joke. Grow up junior, your actions were insipdly, vapidly bovine and unoriginal to boot.
You probably wera corpse paint and think its really kewl... Oooo, look at me, Im so kvlt and tr00, I burned down a church... yawn.
it is common knowledge that arsonist are usually victims of child molesters.
V.

Valefor strikes back!

Good to see you V.

I couldn;t let this go; imbecile indeed...
Don't misunderstand my possition: I think that xtianity and its ilk are a blight upon humanity, but burning down churches, assaulting preists, etc. is juvenile and, worse, acheives nothing.
The intellectually superior being uses art to propigate their ideas; the intellectually inferior being, bereft of a better method, resorts to mindless violence and senseless destruction.
Hails!
V.

You what?! You respect people that blow others up, break into Animal Research centres and threaten scientists and church burners?! The world would be a lot better off without ANY of them! I'm with Valefor on this.

Well, I said the world would be better off without some of them, because I do not know how many Muslims would have been killed by Americans if they didn't have their horrible way of retribution. I do not know if Sadam's regime (the cause of death and suffering of incountables) would have been removed if it were not for Bin Laden to have flown his planes into the towers. I also do not know how animal rights would have been integrated into legislation if it weren't for activists showing their faces. This is all debatable so I didn't make a generalising statement on it. I do think burning a church is dumb, unnecessary and ineffective though, but that does not take away the respect I have for the amount of balls it would take to do such a thing. It may be selfish and hypocritical to blow up yourself in a crowd of people you hate, but it does take faith, dedication and strength to do so. The latter three I show respect for.

More like "insanity". It would be a lot better if you show respect for the families of victims from both sides, rather than showing respect for the perpetrators of the foul deeds in question.

Yes, I said it was dumb, hypocritical and selfish as well, but those people believe they are doing right. If you think you are doing something right, while doing something wrong (in our views), then I still have respect for their amount of guts.

Hmmmmm...not sure I agree. Sure, it takes guts, but what has been accomplished? Deaths of innocents. Hitler had guts to invade Poland and kill Jews, gypsies, and gays too, but it's hardly admirable.

there's a thin line between being brave and believing in your self and plainly being an asshole.

Well, he didn't go in there himself, he left that to the soldiers.

True, but the point holds.

How brave do you need to be to kill inocent civilians? All the suicide bomber has to do is press a button, what's the big deal? Off to heaven and his 70 virgins (although I heard somewhere that the words for 'virgin' and 'sultana' are the same! 70 sultanas, well done!).

Suicide is a great victory of the soul over the body. It not that easy I suppose, and that's why I specificly find it respectful. And as I said before, those people think they are doing good (maybe you think your kind is doing ok killing innocent palastinians as well, although knowing you you probably don't agree). Since they think they are doing good, and are helping a lot of people by it (although they might not for real), I have respect for the amount they are willing to sacrifice.

Buddhist monk burning himself = respect.
Muslim suicide bomber = not respect.

My 'kind'? I really, really, really don't want to start an Israel flamewar, but no, I don't think they are doing OK, just as I don't think the other side are either. The pullout from Gaza will hopefully solve many problems over there(most religious Jews v. upset, giving Holy Land away etc, when it was taken from Egypt in first place! Pah) .

In the end, it all boils down to helping your tribe by killing more of someone else's. If humanity would leave this mentality behind the world would be a better place.

Of course I am, how else am I supposed to cohesively define them? When analyzing a group you have two choices; you can either focus on their similarities or on their differences, if you focus on their differences then inevitably your understanding of the group as a group will be torn asunder, in order to be able to consider a group a group you need to define them by their similarities, which will allow you to draw a general picture (a stereotype) by way of which you can understand the group as an entity in itself. I generalize because I have too. While it is true that not all Christians act like they want to felate Jesus Christ, I think that it's pretty safe to assume that every Christian, in one way or another, tends to follow the doctorines of humility and ascetism that the Christian church (of any denomination) endorses.



What the fuck is the use of having an opinion if I can't carry it through to it's logical conclusion? To allow me to look cool when I hold a conversation with other people? I don't want to wear my opinions as I do my pants, I don't want to reduce my thoughts to mere trifles; why should I resign myself to the confused sedation of in vogue ideation?

Also; "tread", not "thread".



Sure, a piece of knowledge that competes for commonality only with the idea that people who use Vlad the Impaler as their avatar have an unconscious desire to be brutally sodomized with pikes.



This is a typically priestly opinion; an obvious attempt at defending a natural inability to physically assert oneself. Violence and destruction are far from mindless or senseless, human beings have an inborn capacity for competition, for aggression; if you felt any emotion whatsoever in writing your limp-dick diatribe it would have been a misguided form of aggression that was originally designed to aid you in hunting boar but that is now being channelled into this most mundane of activities. Make no mistake about it, the further we travel into 'refined', 'intellectual' and 'developed' spheres, the further we are effeminizing and emasculating ourselves; we are belligerant, coarse and cruel beings and ever will it be so.

Also, the 'intellectually superior being' might also want to think about using proper grammar when He expresses His ideas.



Tell me valefor, what DOES achieve something? Writing whiney songs and brooding over worldly problems? Attempting (very badly) to play the indifferent and aloof yet sardonic commentator on some BB?

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Is what you're typing even being consciously considered before it makes it into your replies? Why is one guy destroying himself somehow worthy of respect but one guy destroying others not? Why is self destruction some noble, venerable fucking activity? Some unfeeling monk putting himself through pain just for shits somehow inspires your respect and yet I'll bet that seeing a harlot that has lost all self respect and diginity, a human being that is shattered and unfeeling in every way would inspire pity in you, and yet the similarity of these two people in their different stations in life would probably not occour to you.

Suicide is not victory, it's the easy way out. Sure, it takes certain strentgh to do it, but in the end it is only a choice for the weak.