Metal Reviews

As I think I said in my post above, whenever people call for the deaths of a racial/religious group in music it isn't serious outside of that fantastical world that music puts you into. Do Amon Amarth really want to go around kiiling Christians that dare to tread on the sacred Viking soil? Do Black Witchery want to invade heaven and attack god? Not outside of their own particular universe, they don't.

As for the NSBMers, some undoubtably do think that Jews/Africans etc should be destroyed, but this is the minus point to having a free and open society, with different countries in the world. As long as we live in diffeerent countries with different religions there will be 'haters'. Should they be accepted? No, but they are tolerated due to free speech. As I said, I don't hate haters purely because they hate me or others, I feel bad for them because of their lack of broad mindedness. So they call me a shitbag, so I reply, the cycle goes on. The only way to achieve peace is to:
1) Kill anyone anywhere that expresses dislike of another,
2) A one-world order type-country, where all are equal, or
3) We all learn to get along.

A very good example of this that noone has mentioned is Islamic music. Not that I'm a particular fan of it, but I can listen to it if I choose despite the fact that most Muslims in the Arab countries seem to hate Jews (without getting into the whole israeli issue).
So too, I can listen to NSBM should I choose. No-one can tell you to not listen to somehting just because of what the person that made its thoughts were.

For me personally, the fact that Roman Polanski was convicted of under-age sex yet got away with it and continues to make films is more of an issue than NSBM. Yet do I refuse to watch his films, or encourage others not to? No. Maybe I should, but that's my personal decision.

If one chooses not to listen to a certain type of music because of their principles, fine, they should be applauded (claps for Carniflex), yet if people choose to listen to it they should be applauded for their open-mindedness (claps for Misha). Noone can tell anyone else what is right or wrong, as long as you don't agree with the hatred (which I'm pretty sure noone does here, Misha even telling me he wouldn't go to a NSBM live show).

Nazi idealogy is not dangerous in and of itself. The evolution of Nazi idealogy over the years is like that guy who sits in the street corners, yelling about conspiracies and eventually shoots a whole bunch of people and gets killed by a policeman. Then his replacement yells about conspiracies but doesn't shoot anyone.

IE: Way back when it was dangerous but most modern advocates of it are happy to post 'Fucking Jew Buisnessman Ripped Me Off' topics on their White Power message boards and buy Confederate flags to stick on their 27-more-payments-due Ford Tauruses. Sure, it may be offensive to see a guy with a death's -head tattoo witha a swastika coming out of its mouth on his bared shoulder, but you can certainly tolerate walking by him on the street, can't you?

All idealogies are dangerous when their supporters get fanatic. But i think it's even worse when a whole country is building their sociaty on one.



I think i agree with you

Let's not forget that more or less all ideologies are grounded in a simple idea that is actually "good". Take communism for an instant. One of it's basic ideas was to make all people equal, but it can only be done the way the russians did it unfortunatly, of course, all poor people are equal... :roll:
People always look down on communist but that doesn't change the fact that people should be treated equally. And that doesn't make me communist for thinking so, and i doesn't make me a nationalist for being proud of my country, not because i think my country is better than all other countries but because it's a part of my identity. Actually i think my own idealogy has something in common with all idealogies and that can't be avoided, but you can call me a Hippie Satanic Nazi Communist then if you like. I will never follow any idealogy, that's only leads to stupidity and blindness ... Blah blah. goodbye

Astaroth, you Hippie Satanic Nazi Communist. It's your kind that will be the downfall of the One Pure Race, with your reasonable attitudes.

i'm deeply sorry for that

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

Communism isn't bad in theory, it just gets abused too often. No need for it in a rich country, but socialism is needed in poor countries. Fidel is a great leader and an example of how communism should be run. But I don't like the risks of communism, I think an extremely socialist democractic system is ideal for poor countries. But communism was not invented to be evil nor hateful.

Everything is subjective, but different ideas do have varying levels of intelligence backing them. The intelligence backing National Socialism is lacking to say the least.

I don't hate skinheads, but I do think they're idiots. Most people are idiots though. They're just extremely misguided idiots.

Well, this was a shitty thread because too many good posts were watered down by foolish f-a-g banter that should've been deleted. My bad, that was mean.


The problem I have with all this is that I was going make a post similar to this one, with a bit of a twist. I had my heart set on it all week, and now I've got no way to get the same question across, because this is a big fat dick measuring contest, and a similar post would look like a clone.

Oh well.

All I wanted to ask is if anyone else noticed that NSBM seems to have an essence to it that sets it apart from other BM, and no, I don't mean the lyrics or the message. I'm talking about the epic nature, odd war-ish-ness that only Graveland, Woodtemple, and bands of the such seem to... I dunno... create. I'm looking to discuss. PM me.

Astaroth
You are right about the good principle in most ideologies, and in particularly in communism. But communism can never follow those principles, and communism always leads to dictatorships and totalitarian regimes, politically, and disastrous economy. I can explain why, but it would take too much and it's off topic. As for nazi ideology, it lacks even that good principle to begin with, it's mostly founded on hate and selfishness, and that can't be good.

Dead Machine
Nazi ideology is dangerous because its very ideas, not because the people. When enacted, politically, it can only have grim repercusions. As for its supporters: its not the skinheads that are beating a few immigrants that are the dangerous, they never were. Actually, 99% of the nazi supporters are, surprisingly, decent people who would never harm physically anyone. They will bitch, like you say, on internet forums and wherever, and will no get out to kill jews and blacks. But this makes them not less dangerous. You know why? Because, if given a chance (and in circumstances of national distress, because that's when this kind of things happen), they will go out and vote someone who should never get voted. That is their power.

Jaden
Fidel, a great leader and an example of how communism should be run? You have no idea what you're talking about. No dictator is a great leader. Trust me, you never want to live in a dictatorship, or in true communism. If you were to go to Cuba and live there as a cuban, not as a tourist, you would be incredibly shocked and horrified in less than a week. You wouldn't last a week, actually. There is a guy from Cuba on these forums and if he sees this thread he will flame you to death, which you would probably deserve, because you're really talking senselessly about things you don't have a clue about.

:roll: I do know why, thank you.

I hate everyone...
Nazis just hate some determined race. That is STUPID.
I'm not a racist or Xen.
KIll em all (HUMANITY) I say.

Thus, I don't buy CD's from nazi bands / lirics, that have conections to that movement.

They have to learn that there are no superior races.
There is no superior music.... Even if I love metal as much as I do. I don't think is superior, it's diferent.

Human Kind is Nature mistake... Sorry
That is it.

you sound like a guy from DB

:oops:
What's DB?!?

Dimmu Borgir, overly-kvlt fool.

actually he should be happy he didn't knew

I'm sorry but i'm not familiar with all kinds of diminutives in here.

I Like DB, music some of the albuns, I don't know if they are Nazis or not. They have interesting lirics but, for me that is just the theatrical side.
I see it as theatre, as should be all the Black Metal bands.
As you can see, I'm not fond os religion...

But If I recall (I may be wrong) they too would kill everyone.

I'm fan of KREATOR (liricaly too)

When I say I would kill everyone is in a metaphorical way. It is a long theory I developed, too long to explain. It starts with the evolucion process of human kind..... too complex, too many details and arguments. It completes the idea (of somenone I can't recall now) that "humanity is condemened to destroy itself".

As I said above (twice :roll: ) the music takes you to another world where that kind of thing is possible.

And anyway, what are all these uber-kvlt humanity-destroying bands going to do when life is extinguished on this earth? Have they evolved special powers that allow them to survive (all on their own!), or will Satan come in a big spaceship and take them away?

No, there aren't enough of these crazy fellows in any one county, nation, etc to vote ANYONE into office by themselves. They'd need support from other groups, and those other groups would be committing political suicide by aligning themselves with Nazis.

Nazis aren't dangerous anymore. It's a fact.

How the hell shoud I Know.. its their theory not mine.

I agree with your view in the longest post you've writen...
I belive that its theatre, is a story they are telling.

I'm not talking about music now, Im talking about existence:
I think the world would be a better place if the humans didn't exist, I'm talking about Nature, thus mankind as a species.
(Its a long theory)...

Long live the animal realm
What they (DB, Imortal, satiricon Cradle etc.) say for me until now is like going to the theatre... and it is a good show...