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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:25 pm 
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metalNESS wrote:
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how about some Jewish or Muslim Metal ....

Orphaned Land.


I was being sarcastic, putting music into a religious category has always
seemed like a ridiculous idea to me. It doesn't make the music
any better and lyrics can be spiritual without having to be
of a single particular faith. Plus the idea of a whole album
praising/preaching one faith is just not very appealing and sort of creepy.

Just to prove my point how this is ridiculous, take
black Christian metal for instance, it's like the biggest oxymoron ever
and defeats the whole purpose of being 'Black Metal'.


I disagree a whole album about christianity could be sick if done properly.

AND HE WILL CAST THEE DOWN AS THE LORD SMITES THE HEATHEN

think about it, an album talking about the inquisitions, bible, other shit thats gone down.



Whatever floats your boat. If I want to be preached too, I'll go to church, and even then they manage to bore the hell out of me with the same sermons year after year. So in reality it's a really awful idea.


This has nothing to do with being preached too. These are bands singing about what they believe in and fans enjoying those songs. How is it any different than a Viking metal band singing about Odin (if that's what they believe in)?


precisely.


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Biblical stories concept album would be awesome for doom metal. Also Christian lyrics doesn't necessarily mean preaching because a lot of the time the band is just singing about things that they think about and are interested in, rather than saying "omg you should convert"


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Deathspell Omega. You should read their lyrics. Do it.


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There's also the whole 'un-black' metal scene, if you're interested in something a little more raw and primitive than Deathspell Omega (but by no means better, I should add).


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huskerc7 wrote:

yeah who the fuck wants to ever write meaningful lyrics, all songs should just contain screams and chainsaw noises and maybe a few belches just so we know they drink beer.



No disrespect but, lyrics don't have to be christian or jewish or whatever faith you're into to be meaningful. There are plenty of other subjects worthy of our attention. For me religion is not one of them.

I don't mind bands like Live who definitely have a spiritual side to many of their songs, but the main difference is they don't limit themselves to that. I don't like the idea of a christian labeled band as it automatically limits itself, tends to be outright preachy and usually has a fanbase of religious fanatics who venerates the band mostly because they are of "X" faith.

Sorry if my personal thoughts on this subject offends you, it's not what i'm trying to do at all, My point is that labelling bands by religion
is simply ridiculous and a mere way of promoting it to religious fanatics.

just to be clear, I consider a religious fanatic a person who is extremely religious and will listen/watch/read things only labelled after their religion. This people usually never questions their faith and gobbles everything without using any judgement.


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No disrespect but, lyrics don't have to be christian or jewish or whatever faith you're into to be meaningful. There are plenty of other subjects worthy of our attention. For me religion is not one of them.

I don't mind bands like Live who definitely have a spiritual side to many of their songs, but the main difference is they don't limit themselves to that. I don't like the idea of a christian labeled band as it automatically limits itself, tends to be outright preachy and usually has a fanbase of religious fanatics who venerates the band mostly because they are of "X" faith.

Sorry if my personal thoughts on this subject offends you, it's not what i'm trying to do at all, My point is that labelling bands by religion
is simply ridiculous and a mere way of promoting it to religious fanatics.

just to be clear, I consider a religious fanatic a person who is extremely religious and will listen/watch/read things only labelled after their religion. This people usually never questions their faith and gobbles everything without using any judgement.


When did anybody mention that anything that does not have Christian themed lyrics makes them less meaningful? By saying that I could make the judgment that you are close minded and anything Christian you shut the door on.

I'm not sure if I qualify as a 'religious fanatic,' but I hate most Christian music. So when there is quality work being produced, I jump on it. Yes it has more value because they happen to be Christian or sing about Christian themes, but that is not my primary focus.

Also, if Necrodude feels the same way as me and wants music that has Christian lyrics, what should he have titled this thread in order to please your opinions? 'Metal with Christian lyrics or bands with Christian members no offense to other music that is non-Christian'?

And instead of generalizations on an entire religious group, maybe you should explore Christianity more. I have many Christian friends, and none of them meet your description of 'religious fanatics'.


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metalNESS wrote:

And instead of generalizations on an entire religious group, maybe you should explore Christianity more. I have many Christian friends, and none of them meet your description of 'religious fanatics'.


I'm Catholic and most people I know are, So I know what Christianity is
and I feel no desire to explore it more. I like some of the Idea's but I like
to stay open to other spiritual aspects, so I'm not a practicing Catholic.

Because of personal experience, that I'm not going to go into so people can dissect it, I'm touchy when it comes to religion subject.

Anyhow,
I'll stop there and let you guys go at your discussion as it's pretty
clear no one here feels remotely the same way I do.
Sorry If I offended anyone and I'll simply stay clear of those subjects from now on.


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grandbazaar wrote:
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yeah who the fuck wants to ever write meaningful lyrics, all songs should just contain screams and chainsaw noises and maybe a few belches just so we know they drink beer.



No disrespect but, lyrics don't have to be christian or jewish or whatever faith you're into to be meaningful. There are plenty of other subjects worthy of our attention. For me religion is not one of them.
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I never said that at all, however I now understand where you're coming from with the rest of your post.

I just find it hilarious/disturbing how many people are on a christian witchhunt when they really haven't explored the subject at all and are just going off what fucked up people do and not actually what Christianity is. Christianity has been perverted by people just like tons of other things throughout time. To me it all makes sense. Not ready to follow any religion though yet in my life and doubt I ever will.


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Well said, Husker.

@GB: One can certainly be a Christian while finding valuable insight/lessons in other religions. I'm a practicing Catholic, but I've found plenty of worthwhile insight in religions like Buddhism, Islam, and even other Christian denominations like Eastern Orthodoxy (one of my favorite non-Catholic denominations). I'm not necessarily suggesting that you're arguing the contrary. I just think this needs to be mentioned. :)

On a sidenote, MR itself has several Christians: Adam, MetalNess, MetalStorm, and El Tipo (who doesn't really post much anymore) to name a few.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I15wsrNBxbI

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I15wsrNBxbI

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I'll give 'em a year before they're holed up in their compound committing a mass suicide ritual.


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metalNESS wrote:
grandbazaar wrote:
No disrespect but, lyrics don't have to be christian or jewish or whatever faith you're into to be meaningful. There are plenty of other subjects worthy of our attention. For me religion is not one of them.

I don't mind bands like Live who definitely have a spiritual side to many of their songs, but the main difference is they don't limit themselves to that. I don't like the idea of a christian labeled band as it automatically limits itself, tends to be outright preachy and usually has a fanbase of religious fanatics who venerates the band mostly because they are of "X" faith.

Sorry if my personal thoughts on this subject offends you, it's not what i'm trying to do at all, My point is that labelling bands by religion
is simply ridiculous and a mere way of promoting it to religious fanatics.

just to be clear, I consider a religious fanatic a person who is extremely religious and will listen/watch/read things only labelled after their religion. This people usually never questions their faith and gobbles everything without using any judgement.


When did anybody mention that anything that does not have Christian themed lyrics makes them less meaningful? By saying that I could make the judgment that you are close minded and anything Christian you shut the door on.

I'm not sure if I qualify as a 'religious fanatic,' but I hate most Christian music. So when there is quality work being produced, I jump on it. Yes it has more value because they happen to be Christian or sing about Christian themes, but that is not my primary focus.

Also, if Necrodude feels the same way as me and wants music that has Christian lyrics, what should he have titled this thread in order to please your opinions? 'Metal with Christian lyrics or bands with Christian members no offense to other music that is non-Christian'?

And instead of generalizations on an entire religious group, maybe you should explore Christianity more. I have many Christian friends, and none of them meet your description of 'religious fanatics'.


Well said metalNESS, and like you, i really don't consider myself a religious fanatic at all. I believe in God yes and i believe Jesus died for our sins, however this is not something i go preaching to everybody that i meet, i don't want to force anything down nonbelievers throats as this is a very effective way of turning people off from God, i know i didn't want anything preached to me before i met God. I was a fiercely staunch atheist who did not want any part in Christianity at all and i hated God with all my might. I don't do that anymore obviously, but my point by and large is that not all of us who are Christians force God down your throats because many of us who were nonbelievers know how annoying it is to be stopped by some random guy saying "Hello there sir, have you met Jesus yet?" Anyway i can totally relate to that, which is precisely why i do not do that at all, unless of course the other person takes the initiative and wants to talk about it. I really should get on with reading the bible soon as i know very little about it and its content.


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Legacy Of The Night wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I15wsrNBxbI

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I'll give 'em a year before they're holed up in their compound committing a mass suicide ritual.


Hmm, quite a disturbing sect that. I seriously doubt that this man is the Messiah returned, i mean he even said that he considered himself to be the Antichrist, how can these people follow a man who openly admits to leading people away from God? I don't get it :huh:


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The Necrodude wrote:
I really should get on with reading the bible soon as i know very little about it and its content.


I'm in the same boat as you, so I just started reading the Old Testament mainly because I feel that is what I know least about.


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Speaking as someone who has spent time reading the Bible, I can say that it's overrated. :wink:


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Goat wrote:
Speaking as someone who has spent time reading the Bible, I can say that it's overrated. :wink:


The writing is horrible, the storylines contradict each other, and Mel Gibson already gave away the ending. Meh.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7E2j-Ut6iE


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That was a pretty badass tune, i must check this band out!


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Goat wrote:
Speaking as someone who has spent time reading the Bible, I can say that it's overrated. :wink:


Yeah I read the entire new testament and probably half of the old testament last year when I couldn't sleep. It is what it is...

Some interesting stuff in the old parts written by King Solomon for sure.


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Not to turn this into "Arguing About Allah" m.k.II but I like the bit when David seduces/rapes Bathsheba, has her husband killed, and then Nathan the prophet is all 'you bastard, you're like a rich man taking away a poor man's sheep'. Would make for quite an epic power metal album, esp. when Absalom does his thang.


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