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You're right, because baseless internet threats from teenagers is the epitome of Heavy Metal.

murdering goats is to

well this turned ugly suddenly...

Death threat plus one! I'd bar my windows, but I wouldn't want to remind you of home...

Yes, and we both know most of said money went to Jewish organisations that have nothing to do with holocaust survivors.

Not that it's up to the Swiss to quibble, o'course.

Yes, throwing the money out without worrying about who gets it is by far the easiest way to exonerate themselves from their burden of guilt.

More Swiss baiting

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2009/12/ ... naret.html

Be serious. That includes not posting quasi-propaganda.

Trust you to focus on that when the same page saw MetalReviews.com's very first death threat.

WTF is "quasi-propaganda? It either is or it isn't... sometimes it's nice just to make words seem a bit longer, eh?

I see you managed to distinguish from the name of the link that it is a radical-left viewpoint, well done.

However, I am again left disappointed by your inability to express anything other than teary-eyed whining. It is a left wing (yes, "far left") perspective on the Swiss referendum. I posted it here for people to criticise/discuss as they would any other perspective, and I am spectacularly unsurprised that you have completely failed to do so in any substantial way...

Another website I frequent, some of you may know as "where memes are born" is full of racist assholes. At first most of them were doing it because that website has a no rules policy on what people post about except illegal stuff. So people usually took racism to an extreme even though they are not racists at all, just for the hell of it.

But in the past few months I have realized that this paranoia about the Islamification of Europe has been an often occurring topic. While some of them were just saying "Nuke Mecca LOL" before, now I see a genuine fear that maybe Europe as they know it might change if more Muslims are allowed in.

What I realized that it was not a fear of extremists, suicide bombers and all that. It was just those people thinking how uncomfortable it would be if they were surrounded by women in burkas and men with long beards and white hats. What I saw was racism and they weren't even aware of it themselves. They thought their fear was justified, and not a fascist view at all.

This is very disturbing and alarming. This website I'm talking about has millions of visitors every day. And if you've been there as long as me, you'll know when someone is just trolling or being a racist bastard and thinking it is ok.



I think a lot of Arabic people want to live in Europe for the better conditions of living. Just that. But some of them want to keep practicing their religion and their culture? How dare they? They surely must want to destroy the whole European culture, and they are meaning to do it by the sole power or reproduction. Evil geniuses, they are.


Even the Ottoman Empire (ruled by sharia, and being in a constant war with the Christian west) did not destroy churches or ban the construction of them. They let people practice their own religion.

And now, in 2009, Switzerland goes and does something like this and some of you guys approve of it? Fuck you. That is all.

No, they just desacrated existing churches and augmented them with minarets. The blood-slick marble of the Hagia Sophia is the tolerance of your Ottoman ancestors.

By quasi-propaganda I meant propaganda in an intellectualist wrap. I've come across the ilk of such websites plenty of times, and the inclusion of article comments in such cases would seem to be provided for mature debate on the subject, were it not for the fact that dissident opinions are deleted on sight.

I have read the article with tears in my eyes, in that regard you are most certainly right. Tears of laughter, of course. What smacks me as ludicrously hypocritical is that progressive left has long been on an all-out offensive against Christendom but is now very mild towards islam.

What's the reason for this double standard anyway? Are you scared shitless? Wouldn't be surprised, if you offend the Catholics you'll get an angry letter, but with the muslims, you get a bomb letter. Or your car burned out. Or someone gets beheaded on JazeeraTube. And don't come to me with the usual "that's only a very small group of dangerous fundamentalists". That's like a doctor saying "your cancer has only spread to a small part of your body." You can't be just a little bit pregnant, and you can't be just a little bit blown up, shot down, or beheaded.

You can adapt to islam, but reasonable people, like the Swiss these days, won't. You are taking tolerance to such ridiculous highs that your typical loathing and lack of cultural identity is plain to see.


Interesting point, though. I vaguely remember a study of a Dutch agency from a few years ago about allochthonic and autochthonic relations and how to create the optimal way of life for both parties. The results of the study were that the formation of self-sufficient ghettos for each minority was the best way forward.

I'm not sure that there is a double-standard here, really. Being "mild to Islam" in this case means not agreeing with those who want the minnarets banned. Doubtless by your reasoning all catholics are child-molesting perverts quite happy to loot, rape and pillage in the name of Christ?

Differentiate between individual Catholics and the Catholic institution. The institution must answer for its crimes.

Yes. But they did not ban the construction of them, or parts of them. They turned some of them into mosques because they did not want to destroy them completely while they easily could. Not one emperor did.

Exactly. The Hagia Sophia would have collapsed from age if the Ottomans hadn't invested tons of time and money into it.; they could have easily destroyed it, along with the mosaics inside it, but they did not. I'm sorry that the Ottoman Empire didn't live up to your twenty first centuries standards for tolerance and did things like... declare war... but for its time, the Ottoman Empire (and earlier on, the Muslim empires in Spain and the Middle East) is notable for its tolerance.

Undoubtedly this is partly right; the organisation he is a member of is not reknowned for its diversity of opinion and this is partly why I no longer have much to do with it. But you should also take the article's argument for what it is. "Propaganda in an intellectualist wrap" is still meaningless. Why is it propaganda? Because it comes from a certain political perspective? If so, then yes, guilty as charged, but you cannot dismiss it for that because every piece of political writing is from a certain perspective. Now:



The liberal left should always hold to the mantra: do whatever you like so long as it doesn't infringe on me directly. In this sense what you describe is not hypocritical- it is perfectly consistent. Christianity has been resisted in Europe because of the hold it has attempted to exert over people in the past. Resisting Chrisitanity has been resisting coercive pressure over individual morals and beliefs. The Swiss minaret ban cannot even be compared to that. In fact, by opposing the ban we are holding to the very same principle, that people can believe and build what they like without an authority preventing them from doing so.



Yeah, I'm sure you would LOVE to believe that the only reason people oppose the ban is because they are scared of what the Muslims might do.

Are you actually denying that the that the behaviour of which you speak is only conducted by a small minority of extremists is anything but an obviously true fact? Your analogies don't work at all, and as a conservative you should understand why. You can't just reduce a vast array of different individuals to one lumpen mass based on their religion. Collective punishment.



And that's pathetic. I have a "typical loathing and lack of cultural identity"? Care to elaborate on what that might mean to anyone outside of a skinhead rally? I have a cultural identity based on my own experiences, beliefs and desires; not some straitjacketed notion of what is expected of me by religious and ethnic heritage.



So you have found some study to justify a completely regressive tribal mentality. Does that really sound like the optimal societal arrangement to you? Why not just cordon off bits of Berne and Zurich and fill it up with mosques and minarets... then fill the rest up with churches...[/quote]

Or, you know, I'm comfortable enough with my cultural identity that I don't feel threatened by someone building a minaret.