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if someone is asking for "blackened thrash" recommendations in the 21st century, I don't see a problem with pointing them towards Destruction, Sodom etc retrospectively.


If someone is asking for Blackened thrash and doesn't know Destruction, Sodom, Bathery, Venom, etc, it's better than he asks for basic metal recommendations.


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rio wrote:
if someone is asking for "blackened thrash" recommendations in the 21st century, I don't see a problem with pointing them towards Destruction, Sodom etc retrospectively.


If someone is asking for Blackened thrash and doesn't know Destruction, Sodom, Bathery, Venom, etc, it's better than he asks for basic metal recommendations.


Well, ok, that's fair enough :lol:


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Maybe he just meant that they suck as in 'they sound terrible and can't play their instruments'? Venom have a place in Metal history just as St Anger does, but that doesn't mean you have to listen to them when better stuff's around. Mixing punk, NWOBHM and satanica was all they did, no? You could make an argument that Discharge were more of an influence although HNSNSN was a few years after Welcome To Hell... the Why EP was around that time, however.

And you don't like Absu? :sad: Why?


Discharge sounds terrible and can't really play their instruments, either, but they fucking rule; The Stones are horrible musicians, but the chemistry they have makes it all work, and saying the Stones "suck" because you don't like them is equally lame... like I said it really is annoying when some kid that has probably been listening to metal for a couple of years, tops, has the gall to proclaim one the most important Metal bands ever to "suck". And no, Discharge were not more of an influence. Discharge was possibly an influence, but not more so.
Venom maybe could not play their instruments very well, but who is some jack off on the internet that nobody has ever heard of and that nobody ever will, to say they "suck"?
It was not that they combined those elements, it was the attitude and the fact that they didn't give a fuck that they couldn't play their instruments... actually thats not even accurate: Only Abbadon was incompetent. Cronos was not all that bad a bassist and Mantas was a very decent guitarist, again neither were virtuosi, but they managed alright. But, yeah Abbadon waspretty inept on the skins, I'll admit.

As for Absu; they are boring half assed thrash and boring half assed (quasi) black metal with a stupid name; if you are gonna delve into The Necronomicon for a namesake, there are about a hundred better choices inside that book.


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ganeshaRules wrote:
rio wrote:
if someone is asking for "blackened thrash" recommendations in the 21st century, I don't see a problem with pointing them towards Destruction, Sodom etc retrospectively.


If someone is asking for Blackened thrash and doesn't know Destruction, Sodom, Bathery, Venom, etc, it's better than he asks for basic metal recommendations.


True.


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As to musical prowess equating to quality, I refer you to Nitro.
Battio is a phenomonal guitarist, but if there's a lamer band than Nitro out there somewhere, I don't wanna know about it.


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As to musical prowess equating to quality, I refer you to Nitro.
Battio is a phenomonal guitarist, but if there's a lamer band than Nitro out there somewhere, I don't wanna know about it.


Jim Gillette can sure hit those high notes!!!!!


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MetalStorm wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
As to musical prowess equating to quality, I refer you to Nitro.
Battio is a phenomonal guitarist, but if there's a lamer band than Nitro out there somewhere, I don't wanna know about it.


Jim Gillette can sure hit those high notes!!!!!


What kind of name is Jim Gillette? Sounds like a fucking razor blade spokesperson.


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Sounds french.


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sounds Canadian.


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French Canadian? :omfg:


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You tell me...


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I don't know... :sad:


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Neither do I but, being French, I can tell you I have never seen or heard of anybody called Gillette. :unsure:


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Bands that make good music are always good at their instruments but not everyone who is good at their instrument makes good music

it's pretty simple


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cry of the banshee wrote:
I will grant that early, early Sodom and even Hellhammer had some of the qualities of what was to become Black Metal, but Slayer and Destruction? Get the fuck outta here.

But listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw4QZ9oh8jw

then, this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtmNOaG1KBA

and tell me there is any similarity at all.


But you are comparing apples with bulbs.

Show no Mercy is from - when - 1983? The other Song is from - when - 200x?

1982, when Slayer formed, there was nothing like "Trve Norwegian Black Metal". But there was something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi7bdG8lcb8 or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5OiRX6BjY . And that was the most evil sound which existed.

And that Black Metal has not to sound like a "diffuse fuzz", does showing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUNi_AK2eN0 or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnLxun1gdz8 :D :wink:


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
I will grant that early, early Sodom and even Hellhammer had some of the qualities of what was to become Black Metal, but Slayer and Destruction? Get the fuck outta here.

But listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw4QZ9oh8jw

then, this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtmNOaG1KBA

and tell me there is any similarity at all.


But you are comparing apples with bulbs.

Show no Mercy is from - when - 1983? The other Song is from - when - 200x?

1982, when Slayer formed, there was nothing like "Trve Norwegian Black Metal". But there was something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi7bdG8lcb8 or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5OiRX6BjY . And that was the most evil sound which existed.

And that Black Metal has not to sound like a "diffuse fuzz", does showing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUNi_AK2eN0 or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnLxun1gdz8 :D :wink:


It doesn't matter, though because that first track is a perfect example of what black metal sounds like.

Dude, no disrespect, but give it up. There is a fine distinction between Thrash (Slayer, Kreator and Destruction are pure Thrash) and Black Metal.
It's not about sounding "evil", it is about compositional differences and chord arrangements, melody and the whole approach to each respective craft.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
I will grant that early, early Sodom and even Hellhammer had some of the qualities of what was to become Black Metal, but Slayer and Destruction? Get the fuck outta here.

But listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw4QZ9oh8jw

then, this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtmNOaG1KBA

and tell me there is any similarity at all.


But you are comparing apples with bulbs.

Show no Mercy is from - when - 1983? The other Song is from - when - 200x?

1982, when Slayer formed, there was nothing like "Trve Norwegian Black Metal". But there was something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi7bdG8lcb8 or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5OiRX6BjY . And that was the most evil sound which existed.

And that Black Metal has not to sound like a "diffuse fuzz", does showing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUNi_AK2eN0 or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnLxun1gdz8 :D :wink:


It doesn't matter, though because that first track is a perfect example of what black metal sounds like.

Dude, no disrespect, but give it up. There is a fine distinction between Thrash (Slayer, Kreator and Destruction are pure Thrash) and Black Metal.
It's not about sounding "evil", it is about compositional differences and chord arrangements, melody and the whole approach to each respective craft.


Just read the tracklist of this album:
http://www.metalstorm.ee/pub/review.php?review_id=1749

Black Metal has so many musical styles, that I wouldn't say that BM has to sound like this or this, because even Darkthrones A Blaze in the Northern Sky has many different styles on one album, and is totally different to Under a Funeral Moon, Transylvanian Hunger, Total Death or Plaguewielder.

But guys, you are missing the point in saying that Slayer were not Black Metal, because this thread is not about "Black Metal, but Black THRASH. And that's a HUGE difference. And I would say that even later albums like Hell Awaits or Sodoms Persecution Mania are kind of Black Thrash. Songs like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_vAsRfszMA or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tejM_JUwZQE are not that different from the Aura Noir or Desaster stuff.


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Nothing against Fenriz, but Nattefrost is not Old School Black Metal, whatever that means, nor is Samael. Ah, they may play a type of Black Metal inspired by the old school, and indeed Aura Noir may have Thrash elements in their black THRASH sound, but equating the two is just silly.

Don't we have this argument every so often with this guy?


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Goat wrote:
Nothing against Fenriz, but Nattefrost is not Old School Black Metal, whatever that means, nor is Samael. Ah, they may play a type of Black Metal inspired by the old school, and indeed Aura Noir may have Thrash elements in their black THRASH sound, but equating the two is just silly.

Don't we have this argument every so often with this guy?


You wanna take over?
Because my head is starting to hurt.

Slayer et al. are pure Thrash with a capital T.

If this cannot be understood, I don't really have anything else to say.


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The guy seriously annoys me. I could do without the headache, frankly. Can't we just pat him on the head and send him out to play whilst the grownups talk important matters?


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