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Ah, yes, that ancient paradox: arriving to say how ridiculous it is to suggest that MCDR gets plugged too much, and then plugging it further in the same post. Hey... maybe you guys should get a forum, since you spend way too much time over here complaining about how rubbish MR is compared to your godlike site... your snide comment about how you maintain a regular update cycle and fully review the titles which arrive show your ignorance of the MR process


Did you guys not read my earlier comments about this site? I had supportive things to say, and also said that I pop in each Monday to see what's been reviewed.
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I never said MCDR was inferior to MR, and I don't feel like MCDR is plugged too much here.
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MCDR will never have a forum. Have you read the forum activity recently in the 'reviews' section? It's ridiculous - the reviewers get slammed and there are many complaints, or two replies in the topic it goes in a direction that doesn't even apply to the CD review.
Too much arguing and a complete waste of time...
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especially since 'full reviewed' according to you guys means a one-sentence sum-up in some cases. Way to go!


We can't review everything, so in my opinion, it's better to have a one sentence "comment" than nothing at all. At least that way we're covering most of the genre...
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I know you guys aren't happy about the complaints you're getting, but I have not complained, and I don't think there's any reason for you to turn things around on MCDR.
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You know whats annoying? MCDR's being plugged here at every oppurtunity.


Whatever dude. That's ridiculous.
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I don't even post in the 'reviews' section here anymore.
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Everyone's just commenting on what's over at MCDR and what they like about it. Unless you're only into black/death metal, I can't believe you haven't noticed how well the site is doing. We've maintained a regular update cycle and there are many titles that arrive to the site, most of which are fully reviewed.
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Fawk you and your inferior site.


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Clint, this entire thread was started by one of yours and another of your reviewers popped in to repeat its point not a few pages back. Of course you're not going to complain about your minions repeatedly plugging your site here, why would you? And it's all very well whining about the feedback in the reviews forum, a place where music is actually discussed, believe it or not; yet you people seem quite happy dropping by here to complain repeatedly about the same damn things over and over. Now, we appreciate that this week you may have more Power Metal on your site than we do, but that doesn't mean you have to repeat this ad infinitum, with different people dropping by to say the exact same thing over and over again.


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Clint, this entire thread was started by one of yours and another of your reviewers popped in to repeat its point not a few pages back. Of course you're not going to complain about your minions repeatedly plugging your site here, why would you? And it's all very well whining about the feedback in the reviews forum, a place where music is actually discussed, believe it or not; yet you people seem quite happy dropping by here to complain repeatedly about the same damn things over and over. Now, we appreciate that this week you may have more Power Metal on your site than we do, but that doesn't mean you have to repeat this ad infinitum, with different people dropping by to say the exact same thing over and over again.


I don't think the original poster belongs to MCDR. Just saying.


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Clint, this entire thread was started by one of yours and another of your reviewers popped in to repeat its point not a few pages back. Of course you're not going to complain about your minions repeatedly plugging your site here, why would you? And it's all very well whining about the feedback in the reviews forum, a place where music is actually discussed, believe it or not; yet you people seem quite happy dropping by here to complain repeatedly about the same damn things over and over. Now, we appreciate that this week you may have more Power Metal on your site than we do, but that doesn't mean you have to repeat this ad infinitum, with different people dropping by to say the exact same thing over and over again.


I don't think the original poster belongs to MCDR. Just saying.


Maybe not... but MetalStorm is a tool.


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9 pages of panties in a wad gotta love it :lol:

Seriously though if a ton of power metal is going to be reviewed does that mean black metal fans are going to complain the lack of black metal reviews you know it could go either way.

Honestly though a ton of black metal bands get reviewed one week and you think that it's a black metal site now lol people come on I've seen a ton of power/prog/thrash and death metal reviewed over the last few weeks so what if you get 1 week of black metal.

I didn't see anyone complain when there Metallica got their week or Black Sabbath what bout that one folks.

Seriously though you don't like what's being reviewed here leave the site and don't come back but stop with the senseless bitching there isn't anything to bitch about. Some of your guys are making a mountain out of an anthill.


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Clint, this entire thread was started by one of yours and another of your reviewers popped in to repeat its point not a few pages back. Of course you're not going to complain about your minions repeatedly plugging your site here, why would you? And it's all very well whining about the feedback in the reviews forum, a place where music is actually discussed, believe it or not; yet you people seem quite happy dropping by here to complain repeatedly about the same damn things over and over. Now, we appreciate that this week you may have more Power Metal on your site than we do, but that doesn't mean you have to repeat this ad infinitum, with different people dropping by to say the exact same thing over and over again.


I don't think the original poster belongs to MCDR. Just saying.


Maybe not... but MetalStorm is a tool.


Which tool,a screwdriver,a hammer,a drill huh huh :blink:


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Clint, this entire thread was started by one of yours and another of your reviewers popped in to repeat its point not a few pages back.


It wasn't started by one of my guys, and I believe Trooper of Steel (one of my guys) was just sharing his opinion about this site and actually trying to help.
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Of course you're not going to complain about your minions repeatedly plugging your site here, why would you?


There's nothing wrong with any of the positive stuff that's been said about MCDR. I don't think any of the comments were "spam", and I think you guys are over-reacting. Just my opinion...
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And it's all very well whining about the feedback in the reviews forum, a place where music is actually discussed, believe it or not


I don't believe it, and nor will I waste my time in that section. The threads turn into garbage after the first few replies. I'm surprised that you are okay with wasting your time on those threads. The reviewers already spend enough time and effort writing the reviews and shouldn't need to spend additional time on the nonsense that follows. Once again, this is just my opinion, but if you see it as a complaint, that's fine.
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you people seem quite happy dropping by here to complain repeatedly about the same damn things over and over. Now, we appreciate that this week you may have more Power Metal on your site than we do, but that doesn't mean you have to repeat this ad infinitum, with different people dropping by to say the exact same thing over and over again.


I still think you're over-reacting dude.
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Clint-metalcdratings wrote:
I don't believe it, and nor will I waste my time in that section. The threads turn into garbage after the first few replies. I'm surprised that you are okay with wasting your time on those threads. :wink


Fuck off, already. Is that rude? I don't care.


Oh and roll your eyes all you want about plugging your site as "ridiculous", but:

http://www.metalreviews.com/phpBB2/sear ... lcdratings

Every. Single. Post. mentions your site.

Jesus, would you tolerate someone here going to MCDR's plugging this site and complaining about the lack of thrash, black and death Metal?


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Not enough reviews of instrumental metal here imo. Wheres reviews of new East of the Wall, Animals as Leaders, Kodiak, Empires, Long Distance Calling, Irepress, Zebulon Pike, Canvas Solaris, Jeff Loomis, Behold the Arctopus, Dysrhythmia, Blotted Science, Trephine, Indukti? It's the only subgenre of metal that's consistently making good music but it gets ignored wtf is that.


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Jesus, would you tolerate someone here going to MCDR's plugging this site and complaining about the lack of thrash, black and death Metal?


I didn't complain about the lack of power metal over here, others did.

I'm done with this thread...


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Aww someone took down my thread. Looks like the world isnt ready for a MR/MCDR showdown.


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Well, hasn't a lot happened since I wrote my post and went to bed...

Lets just bring it back to the original post:

Someone noticed that in recent weeks there has been more reviews for black metal than any other genre. He wanted to share his comment/opinion about it on a forum, something he is entitled to.

Whether the users of this website are fans of black metal, power metal or anything in between, we would just like to see a proper balance of genres being reviewed. Having a few weeks where black metal takes up more than 80% of the reviews, people will notice and will comment about it.

Not that we are complaining. I've been at Metal Reviews since 2004 and have no plans to go elsewhere. I have just noticed a few things that other people have too, and have mentioned it here.

1 - Some of the more big name bands albums that have not yet been reviewed, yet has been on other metal sites, apart from MCDR. We simply are asking the question: with so many new reviewers you have on here now (I was one of those guys asked to review for Metal Reviews, btw), why havent these albums been reviewed yet? What are you waiting for?

And so what if people here plug Metal CD Ratings? Both Clint and I and about 2-3 others who write for MCDR, all came from this website. Someone said they are sick of hearing about the plug for MCDR, well this a forum and forums are to express what someone wants to say, usually proactive...but of course there are people who use it just to bag others.

Here's another plug for ya:

www.themetalforge.com

Thats the other metal website I write for.

In closing, I would just like to see a balance between genres in reviews. I'm not asking for 100% power/traditional metal, just an equal balance.

And if the site is moving towards a more black/death metal feel, then every single member here should be informed of that...just like it would if it moved in any genre direction. Remember, it's a metal website...meaning all types of metal.

The little digs some people have given others in the 9 pages of this thread is useless, but also expected. Don't put someone down because he wanted to share his opinion and comments.

There shouldn't be any factions created from this, we are all in this together, metal brothers!


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Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.


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Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.


Yes! You finally came around ... this just goes to show the effect I sometimes have on people. :D


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Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.


The point of a review website is to review albums, whether the staff personally find them uninteresting or not. Staff who take a bias approach to reviewing will never last long in this gig. You may say that the new Primal Fear is shit and that's your opinion, but there are some of us who would like to see the review and possibly given more than one opinion.
I myself found it fantastic, but thats the great thing about metal, we all have different tastes and opinions.

Not doing a particular review cos you find it shit is quite unprofessional in my opinion. I've had to write reviews that I wasn't too interested in, but I did them because thats my job and I did it with no bias and reviewed it on its merits and qualities. Thats what makes me an excellent writer/reviewer.

But this is not about me, let's back on with the issue at hand...


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metal_xxx wrote:
Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.


See how you guys react to criticism? You feel attacked and so, in all logic, you defend yourselves... I've no problem with that except that, doing so, you're getting aggressive which means that there's some truth about why the people complained.
Truth is, there's been a shortage in the heavy metal department lately and I've seen it happen again before but the last few weeks, checking weekly updates, I just felt there wasn't a lot of variety and that the coverage was totally unbalanced. That's a shame because exploring every aspect, from AOR to Brutal Death Metal, with no contempt for one genre or another is what made MR great in the first place. And the few reviews that strayed away from metal have been welcomed additions to the editorial line too.
Maybe the team reviewing these days is not varied enough in taste so to have that variety and, really, that's a shame.


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Reviewers should be as biased as possible because what they know best and what they can write best is their own opinion. When thery trying to describe the general reception of an album or on its "objective" merits, it makes the writing so boring that I want to bang my head against a wall.

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See how you guys react to criticism? You feel attacked and so, in all logic, you defend yourselves... I've no problem with that except that, doing so, you're getting aggressive which means that there's some truth about why the people complained.


No it doesn't.


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Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.


See how you guys react to criticism? You feel attacked and so, in all logic, you defend yourselves... I've no problem with that except that, doing so, you're getting aggressive which means that there's some truth about why the people complained.
Truth is, there's been a shortage in the heavy metal department lately and I've seen it happen again before but the last few weeks, checking weekly updates, I just felt there wasn't a lot of variety and that the coverage was totally unbalanced. That's a shame because exploring every aspect, from AOR to Brutal Death Metal, with no contempt for one genre or another is what made MR great in the first place. And the few reviews that strayed away from metal have been welcomed additions to the editorial line too.
Maybe the team reviewing these days is not varied enough in taste so to have that variety and, really, that's a shame.


agreed


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Are you guys honestly saying that we are missing out big time when it comes to releases from 09? No way... There are loads of other metal-sites out there that doesn't even rach us to the knees when it comes to reviewing fresh stuff..

If the new, absolute shit, Primal Fear album is the only major thing we've missed, I wouldn't call that much at all. We can't get around to doing anything whenever you want us to do it. And certainly not stuff that is as uninteresting as that.

I will get around to the new Jorn though.


See how you guys react to criticism? You feel attacked and so, in all logic, you defend yourselves... I've no problem with that except that, doing so, you're getting aggressive which means that there's some truth about why the people complained.
Truth is, there's been a shortage in the heavy metal department lately and I've seen it happen again before but the last few weeks, checking weekly updates, I just felt there wasn't a lot of variety and that the coverage was totally unbalanced. That's a shame because exploring every aspect, from AOR to Brutal Death Metal, with no contempt for one genre or another is what made MR great in the first place. And the few reviews that strayed away from metal have been welcomed additions to the editorial line too.
Maybe the team reviewing these days is not varied enough in taste so to have that variety and, really, that's a shame.


Yeah, but c'mon now... a representative from a site that is 99% power metal whining about the lack of Power metal here is ridiculous. How fucking lame would it be if a bunch of MR's reviewers and posters popped in at the MCDR's and whined about the lack of Thrash / Black / Doom/ etc. reviews there? It would be stupid and pointless. The internet has many many resources; if you can't find what you are looking for in one place, there are other places to look. It's mind-numbingly simple, really.

Seriously, what's the problem?


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