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I just can't get over the fact that he suggested that kids who go to Hot Topic listen to Burzum. That's just downright absurd.


There's a Hot Topic-ish store here that sells Burzum shirts.


And?


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I just can't get over the fact that he suggested that kids who go to Hot Topic listen to Burzum. That's just downright absurd.


There's a Hot Topic-ish store here that sells Burzum shirts.


Hot Topic-ish is not Hot Topic. There's an indie pop-culture store where I bought a Neurosis and Faith No More shirt. You'd never find those in Hot Topic.


That's because Hot Topic stores are not in Canada. The closest one to me is in Buffalo.


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I think even black metal bands are starting to realize it sucks which is why there's so many modern dudes like Negura Bunget and Urfaust who spend like half their time playing not-black metal.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
noodles wrote:
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I just can't get over the fact that he suggested that kids who go to Hot Topic listen to Burzum. That's just downright absurd.


There's a Hot Topic-ish store here that sells Burzum shirts.


And?


I wouldn't be surprised if kids who go to Hot Topic listen to Burzum.


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I wouldn't be surprised if kids who ate at McDonalds liked Burzum.


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I wouldn't be surprised if kids who swam in the ocean like Burzum.


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Facts:

Filling back catalog is VERY important. Not only classics, also archives. And not only 80's, also 70's and 90's. But every week there's moreless 2 archives, and there're good filling tries, as Goat is doing with Skyclad or he did with Rush. Good tries were also Metallica or Black Sabbath weeks.

But more archive/classic reviews are needed. Just try some old groups in search reviews and you'll see clear leaks in the catalog. Some examples: No Barón Rojo reviews, just 1 (and life, and not their best) Thin Lizzy review, only one 80's Anthrax, no 80's Agent Steel, only one last century Sodom, only one last century Candlemass.


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noodles wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
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I just can't get over the fact that he suggested that kids who go to Hot Topic listen to Burzum. That's just downright absurd.


There's a Hot Topic-ish store here that sells Burzum shirts.


And?


I wouldn't be surprised if kids who go to Hot Topic listen to Burzum.

And?


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I wouldn't be surprised if kids who ate at McDonalds liked Burzum.


I wouldn't be surprised if kids who like Burzum like Burzum.


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I was facepalming from the moment that you said that Black Metal was a high profile genre. Seriously, not all BM has major label support, nor is all Power Metal Finnish, nor are those the only two genres that get reviewed... Death Metal, hello? Prog? Folk? Just because YOU don't like a band, doesn't mean the site has to switch over to obscureheavymetalfrom the80sreviews.com


Plus the fact that a lot of the bands we review emphatically do NOT have big label support.


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Really??? Black Metal is not a high profile genre?? That is complete and utter nonsense. If you were to take a poll of all metal bands on the planet, as ridiculous as that sounds, the overwhelming majority would be grindcore death metal, and retarded black metal. Why, your silly little mind may ask??? Because what once was the cultest and most underground genre, has become insanely popular, coupled with the fact that anyone can strum an un-tuned guitar with a fuzz box on it and sing like they are in pain, it has become oversaturated. All the little underground fan boys who I see hugging Fenriz's nutsack on the Darkthrone forum, and all the Hot Topic boyz who worship Varg, will buy anything that has a logo that looks like its bleeding. This site is guilty of it too, and you're right, I did leave out Melodeth, which is another appallingly stupid genre that is reviewed to no end.

I may enjoy obscure 80's bands more than the bands I've mentioned above, but I've never advocated doing exclusively obscure metal bands. In fact, I've suggested quite the opposite. I've been calling for classic metal reviews....I don't know how an obscure band can become classic. Some may point to the Satan review as evidence of this, but, at the time Satan were hugely popular and influential. So I'm not calling for people to only listen to bands they've never heard of before, all I'm saying is there is more value in looking to the past to discover bands that were spawned in the midst of metal's zenith, than in listening to new bands that have nothing to offer.

the classics are classics for a reason, and just because some groups are more recognized than others, should not deter you from giving them your attention.

Again, I need to clarify for all of you small brains out there. I am not saying what you all think I've trademarked, that we should only listen to obscure 80's bands....this is not true....I'm merely saying we should listen to more of them :D.


A lot of modern Black metal sucks, true. But a good amount of it is killer, as well.
But what in the hell does that have to do with Darkthrone or Burzum?
It's no secret that I am one of the biggest advocates of 80's Metal, but the first four Darkthrone albums are no less pure metal than anything from the 80's. In fact one of the things about the second wave was how pure it was, and why their are so many purists that listen to black metal. Their are still honest black metal artists, is it their fault that so many ride on their coat-tails?
Dude, a lot of the bands that you list from days of yore are not as good as you try to make them out to be, and yes I've fucking heard them, in their time, not posthumously.

Bah, I'll take me some Darkthrone over some wimpy assed Satan or Crimson Gloryany day of the fucking week.


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Agreed with a lot of this, especially the last part.

Personally, I find the whole "old-school" attitude pretty depressing. Of course, a lot of that music is gold, and deserves unearthing here through archive and classic reviews. But the idea that a weekly metal zine should be deprioritising new releases in favour of "hey look at this cool 80s band" is just nonsense.


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Facts:

Filling back catalog is VERY important. Not only classics, also archives. And not only 80's, also 70's and 90's. But every week there's moreless 2 archives, and there're good filling tries, as Goat is doing with Skyclad or he did with Rush. Good tries were also Metallica or Black Sabbath weeks.

But more archive/classic reviews are needed. Just try some old groups in search reviews and you'll see clear leaks in the catalog. Some examples: No Barón Rojo reviews, just 1 (and life, and not their best) Thin Lizzy review, only one 80's Anthrax, no 80's Agent Steel, only one last century Sodom, only one last century Candlemass.


True, there are various bands that need a good going over to fill in the gaps. (Was just talking about this with Goat last night). But that shouldn't be the site's priority, IMO.


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Well, I've got a review coming up of something from the eighties that all you awesome people will enjoy. :dio:


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This thread is fun! :dio:


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I'm in a sort of similar position to MM, I've been visiting this site since 2003 and I can honestly say that the reviews from Marty and Chris have guided my metal journey :P

I have noticed in the past 2 or so years there has been a lot less heavy/power/prog.. maybe Marty etc are a bit too busy to review as much as they used to?


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I'm in a sort of similar position to MM, I've been visiting this site since 2003 and I can honestly say that the reviews from Marty and Chris have guided my metal journey :P

I have noticed in the past 2 or so years there has been a lot less heavy/power/prog.. maybe Marty etc are a bit too busy to review as much as they used to?


And we're back to square one.


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I feel I need to make a point about the classics section. We're not going to start posting more than one review per week in the classics section. The second one in won't show up on the main page. I'm sure many of you don't like that justification, but that's just the way it is right now. That said, the classics section was negelcted for prolonged periods of time until just recently. Now, there is almost always 1 per week. Its going to take time to fill the back catalogue, unless we do another "themed" week. Just be patient is all I can ask. I know I've got some Thin Lizzy, Angel Witch, and Kreator in my plans, as well as some doom classics. Other guys have already claimed many others, so the back catalogue of this site is being filled...slowly.


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We're not going to start posting more than one review per week in the classics section.


One every week is ok. But some more archives don't hurt :)

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I know I've got some Thin Lizzy, Angel Witch, and Kreator in my plans, as well as some doom classics.


You know I :wub: :wub: you. (And Angel Witch).


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I just can't get over the fact that he suggested that kids who go to Hot Topic listen to Burzum. That's just downright absurd.


I buy things from Hot Topic, and also listen to Burzum.


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I just can't get over the fact that he suggested that kids who go to Hot Topic listen to Burzum. That's just downright absurd.


I buy things from Hot Topic, and also listen to Burzum.


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