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Who will/would you pick?
Obama 74%  74%  [ 29 ]
Hilary 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
McCain 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
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plenty more where that came from.

never forget, never forgive.


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plenty more where that came from.

never forget, never forgive.


I love how nasty you are. Oh wait, I don't.

In other news:
http://www.viceland.com/wp/2009/07/babes-of-the-bnp/


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Goat wrote:
Dead Machine wrote:
plenty more where that came from.

never forget, never forgive.


I love how nasty you are. Oh wait, I don't.

In other news:
http://www.viceland.com/wp/2009/07/babes-of-the-bnp/


:lol:

Fucking hell...

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When people say the BNP is a fascist party, what do you think?
Fascist – I don’t understand that word.

Think of Nazi Germany, or 1930s Italy.
I can’t even remember when that happened really, but I’m against them anyway.

You’re against who?
The Germans. I know that sounds evil… I was brought up that way.



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Are most of your friends BNP?
Some of them are. I kind of got into it through my friend Danny. He’s really racist. Everyone calls him “Nazi Danny”. He started telling me about them, and it made a lot of sense.


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What, to you, symbolises Britain best?
Um, I’d say maybe St George’s flag, partly because my favourite film is This Is England – it’s about skinheads, but they’re not really racist, because one of them is a black kid. They turn on him in the end, but because he was one of the gang they’re not really racist. They just believe in what they believe in.


Oh, to have a friend called "Nazi Danny".


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Goat wrote:
Dead Machine wrote:
plenty more where that came from.

never forget, never forgive.


I love how nasty you are. Oh wait, I don't.

In other news:
http://www.viceland.com/wp/2009/07/babes-of-the-bnp/


I could have posted it using [img]. You should be thanking me.


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Dead Machine wrote:
Goat wrote:
Dead Machine wrote:
plenty more where that came from.

never forget, never forgive.


I love how nasty you are. Oh wait, I don't.

In other news:
http://www.viceland.com/wp/2009/07/babes-of-the-bnp/


I could have posted it using [img]. You should be thanking me.


But you did, and I removed the [img]s. Without being asked. So who should thank who?


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Yeah. I wouldn’t mind them if they actually worked and didn’t take all of our jobs


Logical, very logical.


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Goat wrote:
Dead Machine wrote:
Goat wrote:
Dead Machine wrote:
plenty more where that came from.

never forget, never forgive.


I love how nasty you are. Oh wait, I don't.

In other news:
http://www.viceland.com/wp/2009/07/babes-of-the-bnp/


I could have posted it using [img]. You should be thanking me.


But you did, and I removed the [img]s. Without being asked. So who should thank who?


oh wait, I forgot that I did that.

gingko biloba, away!


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Dead Machine wrote:
Goat wrote:
Dead Machine wrote:
Goat wrote:
Dead Machine wrote:
plenty more where that came from.

never forget, never forgive.


I love how nasty you are. Oh wait, I don't.

In other news:
http://www.viceland.com/wp/2009/07/babes-of-the-bnp/


I could have posted it using [img]. You should be thanking me.


But you did, and I removed the [img]s. Without being asked. So who should thank who?


oh wait, I forgot that I did that.

gingko biloba, away!


Yeah, some THOUGHT might be appropriate the next time you make a move like that. I'm actually quite pissed off at this.


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No rules were broken.

Of course, being a mod, you are at liberty to do whatever you like to that post, but I assure you that I have made a most assiduous twenty-second study of the rules and concluded that none were broken in the case of my posting that picture.

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Detainees, Even if Acquitted, Might Not Go Free

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens indefinitely even if they have been acquitted of terrorism charges by a U.S. military commission.

Jeh Johnson, the Defense Department's chief lawyer, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that releasing a detainee who has been tried and found not guilty was a policy decision that officials would make based on their estimate of whether the prisoner posed a future threat.

Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration argues that the legal basis for indefinite detention of aliens it considers dangerous is separate from war-crimes prosecutions. Officials say that the laws of war allow indefinite detention to prevent aliens from committing warlike acts in future, while prosecution by military commission aims to punish them for war crimes committed in the past.

Mr. Johnson said such prisoners held without trial would receive "some form of periodic review" that could lead to their release.

Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a leading Republican on detainee policy, approved. "Some of them will be able to get out of jail because they've rehabilitated themselves and some of them may in fact die in jail," Mr. Graham said. But "I don't want to put people in a dark hole forever" simply "because somebody like Dick Cheney, or you fill in the blank with a politician, said so."

Also at the hearing, Obama administration officials differed with the Navy's senior uniformed lawyer over whether coerced statements should be used to convict Guantanamo defendants.

David Kris, head of the Justice Department's National Security Division, warned that federal courts might reverse convictions in military commissions if they were based on coerced statements.

Vice Adm. Bruce MacDonald, giving his independent opinion as the Navy's judge advocate general, testified that the standard should be whether a statement was "reliable," rather than whether it was coerced.

The question could be central to whether military-commission convictions stand up. Military prosecutors have said that involuntary statements make up the lion's share of evidence against detainees.

Congress is considering several proposals for trying Guantanamo detainees. The issue is one of several administration officials are struggling to resolve so they can meet President Barack Obama's commitment to close the Guantanamo prison by January.

While Mr. Obama wants to continue in modified form the commissions conceived under former President George W. Bush, officials said the administration favors an expiration date for the experiment unless reauthorized by Congress.

After some trials are held, "a fresh look" could be useful, Mr. Kris said.

The offshore prison holds about 229 detainees. The administration plans to release some prisoners, while others could be tried in federal court, by military commission or held indefinitely without trial.

Some House Democrats say the limited number of additional protections for defendants the administration has proposed don't go far enough.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D., N.Y.), who has scheduled a Wednesday hearing on military commissions before the House Judiciary subcommittee he heads, questioned the administration's plan to allot prisoners to federal courts, military commissions or indefinite detention.

"What bothers me is that they seem to be saying, 'Some people we have good enough evidence against, so we'll give them a fair trial. Some people the evidence is not so good, so we'll give them a less fair trial. We'll give them just enough due process to ensure a conviction because we know they're guilty. That's not a fair trial, that's a show trial," Mr. Nadler said.


yeah, this is from the 'left' party.


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No rules were broken.

Of course, being a mod, you are at liberty to do whatever you like to that post, but I assure you that I have made a most assiduous twenty-second study of the rules and concluded that none were broken in the case of my posting that picture.

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Detainees, Even if Acquitted, Might Not Go Free

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens indefinitely even if they have been acquitted of terrorism charges by a U.S. military commission.

Jeh Johnson, the Defense Department's chief lawyer, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that releasing a detainee who has been tried and found not guilty was a policy decision that officials would make based on their estimate of whether the prisoner posed a future threat.

Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration argues that the legal basis for indefinite detention of aliens it considers dangerous is separate from war-crimes prosecutions. Officials say that the laws of war allow indefinite detention to prevent aliens from committing warlike acts in future, while prosecution by military commission aims to punish them for war crimes committed in the past.

Mr. Johnson said such prisoners held without trial would receive "some form of periodic review" that could lead to their release.

Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a leading Republican on detainee policy, approved. "Some of them will be able to get out of jail because they've rehabilitated themselves and some of them may in fact die in jail," Mr. Graham said. But "I don't want to put people in a dark hole forever" simply "because somebody like Dick Cheney, or you fill in the blank with a politician, said so."

Also at the hearing, Obama administration officials differed with the Navy's senior uniformed lawyer over whether coerced statements should be used to convict Guantanamo defendants.

David Kris, head of the Justice Department's National Security Division, warned that federal courts might reverse convictions in military commissions if they were based on coerced statements.

Vice Adm. Bruce MacDonald, giving his independent opinion as the Navy's judge advocate general, testified that the standard should be whether a statement was "reliable," rather than whether it was coerced.

The question could be central to whether military-commission convictions stand up. Military prosecutors have said that involuntary statements make up the lion's share of evidence against detainees.

Congress is considering several proposals for trying Guantanamo detainees. The issue is one of several administration officials are struggling to resolve so they can meet President Barack Obama's commitment to close the Guantanamo prison by January.

While Mr. Obama wants to continue in modified form the commissions conceived under former President George W. Bush, officials said the administration favors an expiration date for the experiment unless reauthorized by Congress.

After some trials are held, "a fresh look" could be useful, Mr. Kris said.

The offshore prison holds about 229 detainees. The administration plans to release some prisoners, while others could be tried in federal court, by military commission or held indefinitely without trial.

Some House Democrats say the limited number of additional protections for defendants the administration has proposed don't go far enough.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D., N.Y.), who has scheduled a Wednesday hearing on military commissions before the House Judiciary subcommittee he heads, questioned the administration's plan to allot prisoners to federal courts, military commissions or indefinite detention.

"What bothers me is that they seem to be saying, 'Some people we have good enough evidence against, so we'll give them a fair trial. Some people the evidence is not so good, so we'll give them a less fair trial. We'll give them just enough due process to ensure a conviction because we know they're guilty. That's not a fair trial, that's a show trial," Mr. Nadler said.


yeah, this is from the 'left' party.


So they're taking an uncharacteristically hard stance on aliens for a liberal party, but they're doing it with better criteria for judgement. Annoying, but not that bad.

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No rules were broken.

Of course, being a mod, you are at liberty to do whatever you like to that post, but I assure you that I have made a most assiduous twenty-second study of the rules and concluded that none were broken in the case of my posting that picture.

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Detainees, Even if Acquitted, Might Not Go Free

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens indefinitely even if they have been acquitted of terrorism charges by a U.S. military commission.

Jeh Johnson, the Defense Department's chief lawyer, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that releasing a detainee who has been tried and found not guilty was a policy decision that officials would make based on their estimate of whether the prisoner posed a future threat.

Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration argues that the legal basis for indefinite detention of aliens it considers dangerous is separate from war-crimes prosecutions. Officials say that the laws of war allow indefinite detention to prevent aliens from committing warlike acts in future, while prosecution by military commission aims to punish them for war crimes committed in the past.

Mr. Johnson said such prisoners held without trial would receive "some form of periodic review" that could lead to their release.

Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a leading Republican on detainee policy, approved. "Some of them will be able to get out of jail because they've rehabilitated themselves and some of them may in fact die in jail," Mr. Graham said. But "I don't want to put people in a dark hole forever" simply "because somebody like Dick Cheney, or you fill in the blank with a politician, said so."

Also at the hearing, Obama administration officials differed with the Navy's senior uniformed lawyer over whether coerced statements should be used to convict Guantanamo defendants.

David Kris, head of the Justice Department's National Security Division, warned that federal courts might reverse convictions in military commissions if they were based on coerced statements.

Vice Adm. Bruce MacDonald, giving his independent opinion as the Navy's judge advocate general, testified that the standard should be whether a statement was "reliable," rather than whether it was coerced.

The question could be central to whether military-commission convictions stand up. Military prosecutors have said that involuntary statements make up the lion's share of evidence against detainees.

Congress is considering several proposals for trying Guantanamo detainees. The issue is one of several administration officials are struggling to resolve so they can meet President Barack Obama's commitment to close the Guantanamo prison by January.

While Mr. Obama wants to continue in modified form the commissions conceived under former President George W. Bush, officials said the administration favors an expiration date for the experiment unless reauthorized by Congress.

After some trials are held, "a fresh look" could be useful, Mr. Kris said.

The offshore prison holds about 229 detainees. The administration plans to release some prisoners, while others could be tried in federal court, by military commission or held indefinitely without trial.

Some House Democrats say the limited number of additional protections for defendants the administration has proposed don't go far enough.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D., N.Y.), who has scheduled a Wednesday hearing on military commissions before the House Judiciary subcommittee he heads, questioned the administration's plan to allot prisoners to federal courts, military commissions or indefinite detention.

"What bothers me is that they seem to be saying, 'Some people we have good enough evidence against, so we'll give them a fair trial. Some people the evidence is not so good, so we'll give them a less fair trial. We'll give them just enough due process to ensure a conviction because we know they're guilty. That's not a fair trial, that's a show trial," Mr. Nadler said.


yeah, this is from the 'left' party.


Ah, wow, not only are you a fucking arsehole, you're a fucking arsehole who can slavishly follow rules. That's so great. Plus, you complain when centrist parties do centrist things! Aw, sweet.


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Holding someone in a prison camp indefintely even after they've been acquitted is hardly "centrist"... If it wasn't Obama doing it people would be pointing out, quite correctly, that it's frightening and totalitarian.

Claiming it's only to be expected because of who the Democrats are is kind of weak and sounds like a justification.


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Holding someone in a prison camp indefintely even after they've been acquitted is hardly "centrist"... If it wasn't Obama doing it people would be pointing out, quite correctly, that it's frightening and totalitarian.

Claiming it's only to be expected because of who the Democrats are is kind of weak and sounds like a justification.


It's all initial plans, they've said there'll be periodic reviews... if psychiatric patients can be taken into custody based on what they might do in the future, then this is hardly sudden fascism.


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Goat wrote:
Ah, wow, not only are you a fucking arsehole, you're a fucking arsehole who can slavishly follow rules. That's so great. Plus, you complain when centrist parties do centrist things! Aw, sweet.


how in the fuck is locking up people who have been acquitted because of what they might do in any way 'centrist,' and how in the fuck is it even somewhat comparable to locking up psychiatric patients?

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You called Obama's gubmint leftist, if only in appearance, I'm saying they never were so, is all. People who may go on to cause harm to others?

And we all love your sudden need to post war correspondence, but keep it work-friendly, don't do it as a cunthearted response to someone's relative travelling to Israel, and everyone will ignore it. But wait, you're after the attention, aren't you? :rolleyes:


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Goat wrote:
You called Obama's gubmint leftist, if only in appearance, I'm saying they never were so, is all. People who may go on to cause harm to others?

And we all love your sudden need to post war correspondence, but keep it work-friendly, don't do it as a cunthearted response to someone's relative travelling to Israel, and everyone will ignore it. But wait, you're after the attention, aren't you? :rolleyes:


yeah, I'm after the attention on this forum what with its 30 frequent posters

good one there buddy

you got me

in the context of American discourse, Obama's government is considered 'leftist,' thus the quotation marks, implying disdain for those who would use that label.

and don't worry, those were all palestinians. your brother is quite unlikely to be a palestinian and thus unlikely to be killed by the IDF.


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Dead Machine wrote:
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You called Obama's gubmint leftist, if only in appearance, I'm saying they never were so, is all. People who may go on to cause harm to others?

And we all love your sudden need to post war correspondence, but keep it work-friendly, don't do it as a cunthearted response to someone's relative travelling to Israel, and everyone will ignore it. But wait, you're after the attention, aren't you? :rolleyes:


yeah, I'm after the attention on this forum what with its 30 frequent posters

good one there buddy

you got me

in the context of American discourse, Obama's government is considered 'leftist,' thus the quotation marks, implying disdain for those who would use that label.

and don't worry, those were all palestinians. your brother is quite unlikely to be a palestinian and thus unlikely to be killed by the IDF.


Why else you have to post massive pictures of the dead and wounded is beyond me, if not for attention.

Obama's government is considered leftist by retard inbred hillbillies who think that Sarah Palin is the future of Conservatism and that killing abortion doctors isn't murder. Are we such people? No.

And shall we post dead Israelis now, seeing as they tend to get killed by the Palestinians?


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Why else you have to post massive pictures of the dead and wounded is beyond me, if not for attention.

Obama's government is considered leftist by retard inbred hillbillies who think that Sarah Palin is the future of Conservatism and that killing abortion doctors isn't murder. Are we such people? No.

And shall we post dead Israelis now, seeing as they tend to get killed by the Palestinians?


yes, that is why i used the quotation marks to express derision towards the demographic which would label obama's government thusly; the fact that this forum was not used as a reference point for said remark does not justify your harping on it like some kind of developmentally-disabled clown

yeah remember the number of casualties from the 2009 gaza war on the israeli side? what was it, like 13, 3/4ths of which were friendly fire? 'tend to get killed by the palestinians' my ass.

is your brother going to israel to become a citizen and thus serve in the IDF?


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