FrigidSymphony wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
Well how religion comes into existentialism is that we feel angst and have to reaffirm our self through our embrace of faith, ie: the leap of faith, or something along those lines. Basically faith is the only way to self-affirm our existence.
But the faith doesn't affirm your "self", it affirms your belief in a supernatural "self".
You develop yourself through faith insofar as faith inevitably leads to self doubt. Kierkegaard understands that rationality hinders the belief in god and this gap creates angst. Overcoming that angst through a leap of faith enables us to build up ourselves. This constant turmoil between our faith and our reason enables us to be ourself. It's existentialist; it embraces faith.
So sidestepping "angst" (i.e. skepticism and rational thought) by an imposed ignorance of doubt is self-affirming? If that's what you're saying, I must disagree most vehemently, my good sir.
Then you disagree with Kierkegaard. You can at least recognize that there is a discursive formation between skepticism/rationality and faith that can create who someone is. Kierkegaard is by no means advocating dogma, actually quite the opposite. He thought that your faith must be total but you have to criticize and re-affirm it daily. Faith that doesn't trouble you is worthless.
Faith can be a defining quality of someone's personality, absolutely. But Kierkegaard's argument seems illogical, at least from my perspective (of course, a theologian would see things differently). Faith must be doubted, challenged and criticized, but always maintained? Ok, faith as an asset I can understand, but for a believer this seems a remarkably unexpected argument.
I don't want to start another debate, but I think (as a believer) I should probably give my own perspective on this issue.
Your concern is where the difference between "faith" and "certainty" come into play. Faith, quite literally, means "trust." For a believer, it means trust in his own perception of and experiences with spirituality, as well as trust in God's guidence. However, if we had "certainty", there'd be no need for faith because we'd already know that what we believe in is absolutely correct. However, one important area where we feel faith has the upper hand is that, as long as there's no "certainty", there's always something new to be learned. And as you learn new things about your faith, you also learn new things about yourself. And, thus, you grow as a person. Doubt usually occurs because you have questions. But if you're able to ponder these questions and find a solution that satisfies you, you'll be all the better for it. Similarly, an intellectually-honest scientist will freely admit to having doubts about his own theories. But as he addresses these doubts (be it through further study or simple reflection/theorizing), he'll gradually temper his theories and they'll (ideally) become all the more valid to him.
I'm going to tell you straight that most of the Christians I typically associate with welcome questioning and honest doubt. In fact, many of them look down on "blind faith" (which, as Trapt pointed out, has become way too common in today's world). What's important is to firmly maintain your faith (unless, perhaps, things become so bad that you just can't maintain it anymore), while still maintaining an open mind and recognizing that, whether we may like to admit it or not, people like Daniel Dennett and Micheal Shermer are completely justified in their skepticism.