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I can listen to bands with singers who are atheists or Christians(I'm a Christian myself)it doesn't bother me.

I think as a Christian you're strong in your faith that it really doesn't matter so as long as you don't follow the example or beliefs that some singers do.


Agreed. Although, personally, I do have limits (that's just me, though).

I'm strong in my faith that I still love God(sorry if that makes you guys uncomfortable but oh well).

Heck one of my favorite bands is Judas Priest who's lead singer is gay. I'm against homosexuality but that doesn't stop me from listening to JP.


It doesn't make me uncomfortable, it just makes me think less of you intellectually. Especially seeing the sentence that followed.


Let me clarify this that I'm not homophobic. I worked with gays and lesbians and never felt uncomfortable. Yes because of my beliefs I'm against it but it doesn't make me uneasy so as long as they don't flirt or make passes at me.


Ok, how do you justify your judgement of an entire group of people without knowing anything about them other than their sexual orientation, something entirely private and none of your business whatsoever?


I don't judge anyone where in my posts does it say I judge. I'm against homosexuality not the individual. I'm against the act of same sex sexuality.

I'm also against abortion but that doesn't mean I hate a woman because she got an abortion.


You say you're against homosexuality but not a homosexual? Ok :S
By saying that homosexuality is bad you're condemning the actions of a very large group of people.

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I can listen to bands with singers who are atheists or Christians(I'm a Christian myself)it doesn't bother me.

I think as a Christian you're strong in your faith that it really doesn't matter so as long as you don't follow the example or beliefs that some singers do.


Agreed. Although, personally, I do have limits (that's just me, though).

I'm strong in my faith that I still love God(sorry if that makes you guys uncomfortable but oh well).

Heck one of my favorite bands is Judas Priest who's lead singer is gay. I'm against homosexuality but that doesn't stop me from listening to JP.


It doesn't make me uncomfortable, it just makes me think less of you intellectually. Especially seeing the sentence that followed.


Let me clarify this that I'm not homophobic. I worked with gays and lesbians and never felt uncomfortable. Yes because of my beliefs I'm against it but it doesn't make me uneasy so as long as they don't flirt or make passes at me.


Ok, how do you justify your judgement of an entire group of people without knowing anything about them other than their sexual orientation, something entirely private and none of your business whatsoever?


I don't judge anyone where in my posts does it say I judge. I'm against homosexuality not the individual. I'm against the act of same sex sexuality.

I'm also against abortion but that doesn't mean I hate a woman because she got an abortion.


You say you're against homosexuality but not a homosexual? Ok :S
By saying that homosexuality is bad you're condemning the actions of a very large group of people.


Don't put words into my mouth that really irritates me :mad:

I'm against the ACT not the individual. I don't judge I go by this bible quote "judge not yet ye be judge".

So please do not twist my words just to refute your argument.


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I'm not trying to twist, I'm trying to understand. I don't see how you can't understand that being against homosexuality is offensive and judgmental of a big group of people.

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I'm not trying to twist, I'm trying to understand. I don't see how you can't understand that being against homosexuality is offensive and judgmental of a big group of people.

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So it's wrong for me to believe because of my beliefs that gay sex is wrong and unnatural considering that a lot of atheists are against homosexuality too.


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Don't put words into my mouth that really irritates me :mad:

I'm against the ACT not the individual. I don't judge I go by this bible quote "judge not yet ye be judge".

So please do not twist my words just to refute your argument.


that doesn't mean anything, it's you trying to justify your ignorance and hateful opinions by trying to say that you don't hate all the INDIVIDUALS that are gay, you just hate 'gay' which is apparently to you some kind of big twisting seething mass of gay that secretly shoots pink rays into the sky or what

what is it that you hate? you hate sodomy but not the people who practice sodomy? You realize that if you remove the people from the equation the sodomy goes away, right? it's not possible to just hate sodomy without hating the sodomites because without the sodomites there is no sodomy.

short version: you're a disgusting person.


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I'm not trying to twist, I'm trying to understand. I don't see how you can't understand that being against homosexuality is offensive and judgmental of a big group of people.

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So it's wrong for me to believe because of my beliefs that gay sex is wrong and unnatural considering that a lot of atheists are against homosexuality too.


What atheists are against homosexuality? If there are any rare examples (and I know of none) then they're against homosexuality for purely personal reasons, NOT as a result of their atheism. And yes, it is wrong for you to consider something private and personal to be wrong because of bronze age literature.

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Not sure how we got onto homosexuality, but I'll bite: why are so many atheists apparently against it, Storm?


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Not sure how we got onto homosexuality, but I'll bite: why are so many atheists apparently against it, Storm?


Ok try this put 2 straight people in front of a gay couple 1 is Christian 1 is atheist. Have the gay couple have sex in front of them what would you think their reaction is going to be?

And Dead Machine you can take your worthless comments and shove them straight up your damn ass you prick. I never considered you opinions on here worth wild anyway :rolleyes:


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Not sure how we got onto homosexuality, but I'll bite: why are so many atheists apparently against it, Storm?


Ok try this put 2 straight people in front of a gay couple 1 is Christian 1 is atheist. Have the gay couple have sex in front of them what would you think their reaction is going to be?

And Dead Machine you can take your worthless comments and shove them straight up your damn ass you prick. I never considered you opinions on here worth wild anyway :rolleyes:


your opinions are disgusting and I consider it a compliment that you dislike mine.

wow, that's an excellent analogy. Here's another one with the same fucking logic that you're using:

Ok try this put 2 white people in front of a black couple 1 is christian 1 is atheist. Have the black people stand there in front of them what would you think their reaction is going to be?

fucking prick; go back to the paleolithic age if you're smart enough to know it existed. go back to bashing in other cavemens' heads with your rocks and eating moss and lichens, the 21st century and you are mutually incompatible.


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And Frigid, if you honestly think there's no intellectual thought involved in Christianity or any other religion, you seriously need to consider studying religious/metaphysical philosophy. You'll see how deep religious belief can really go (and it will also clear up some misconceptions you appear to have about it).


I don't think there's no intellectual thought involved, I'm aware of the complex climbing on glass that goes on in theological debates. I just think it's really bad reasoning. Sure, they're making a huge effort, but it's not good reasoning. Thomas Aquinas' proofs, for example, are bullshit. Completely.
And I don't have misconceptions about it, I make it a point to study something before expressing an opinion, and since I've been on the atheist bus for about 4 years now I've made a point to find out as much as I can about different degrees of religious belief.


What were your religious beliefs before then, just curious?


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Not sure how we got onto homosexuality, but I'll bite: why are so many atheists apparently against it, Storm?


Ok try this put 2 straight people in front of a gay couple 1 is Christian 1 is atheist. Have the gay couple have sex in front of them what would you think their reaction is going to be?

And Dead Machine you can take your worthless comments and shove them straight up your damn ass you prick. I never considered you opinions on here worth wild anyway :rolleyes:


That is NOT a valid argument. A reaction of disgust to witnessing homosexual activity does not mean that you consider the activity immoral or evil. I'm disgusted by slugs, that doesn't mean I consider them immoral.

And btw, I'm inclined to agree with DM to some extent. I wouldn't call you a disgusting person, just misguided.

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Not sure how we got onto homosexuality, but I'll bite: why are so many atheists apparently against it, Storm?


Ok try this put 2 straight people in front of a gay couple 1 is Christian 1 is atheist. Have the gay couple have sex in front of them what would you think their reaction is going to be?

And Dead Machine you can take your worthless comments and shove them straight up your damn ass you prick. I never considered you opinions on here worth wild anyway :rolleyes:


your opinions are disgusting and I consider it a compliment that you dislike mine.

wow, that's an excellent analogy. Here's another one with the same fucking logic that you're using:

Ok try this put 2 white people in front of a black couple 1 is christian 1 is atheist. Have the black people stand there in front of them what would you think their reaction is going to be?

fucking prick; go back to the paleolithic age if you're smart enough to know it existed. go back to bashing in other cavemens' heads with your rocks and eating moss and lichens, the 2
1st century and you are mutually incompatible.


I thought you left this site you POS. Why don't you go and honor your word because your stupid opinions mean jack shit you pathetic excuse of a human being :rolleyes:


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Let's keep things civil, else Mr Admin is going to lock the thread. And that's not what we want.


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Let's keep things civil, else Mr Admin is going to lock the thread. And that's not what we want.


It was until DM runs his usual spew and starts insulting people as he always has.


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I thought you left this site you POS. Why don't you go and honor your word because your stupid opinions mean jack shit you pathetic excuse of a human being :rolleyes:


you and your kind are a dying breed and soon all people, straight and gay, will be able to marry and fuck all they want by themselves and there's nothing you can do about it; you and your apelike shit-eating kind with your shallow brows and closely spaced-eyes will die out one by one and the progressives will lay thorns on your graves.

edit- excusez-moi, I'm not going to be civil to someone like this. It's not done, not no way, not no how. Would you be civil to a racist who was spewing his hateful opinions?


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And Frigid, if you honestly think there's no intellectual thought involved in Christianity or any other religion, you seriously need to consider studying religious/metaphysical philosophy. You'll see how deep religious belief can really go (and it will also clear up some misconceptions you appear to have about it).


I don't think there's no intellectual thought involved, I'm aware of the complex climbing on glass that goes on in theological debates. I just think it's really bad reasoning. Sure, they're making a huge effort, but it's not good reasoning. Thomas Aquinas' proofs, for example, are bullshit. Completely.
And I don't have misconceptions about it, I make it a point to study something before expressing an opinion, and since I've been on the atheist bus for about 4 years now I've made a point to find out as much as I can about different degrees of religious belief.


What were your religious beliefs before then, just curious?


I don't consider a person that young to know what religion they belong to. A child can't belong to a religion any more than he can profess belief in a political system.
To answer your question, however, my parents raised me to be open and curious about every faith system, and they said they wanted to let me make up my own mind when I was old enough. Needless to say, without the benefit of indoctrination I was quick to approach an entirely rationalist and scientific worldview.

EDIT: I apologize for any incoherent sentences. I'm dead tired and watching the simpsons, not the best environment for writing.

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I thought you left this site you POS. Why don't you go and honor your word because your stupid opinions mean jack shit you pathetic excuse of a human being :rolleyes:


you and your kind are a dying breed and soon all people, straight and gay, will be able to marry and fuck all they want by themselves and there's nothing you can do about it; you and your apelike shit-eating kind with your shallow brows and closely spaced-eyes will die out one by one and the progressives will lay thorns on your graves.

edit- excusez-moi, I'm not going to be civil to someone like this. It's not done, not no way, not no how. Would you be civil to a racist who was spewing his hateful opinions?


LOL do me a favor and go look up what hypocrisy is. You hate me because of my Christian beliefs go figure you jerk :mad:


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Not sure how we got onto homosexuality, but I'll bite: why are so many atheists apparently against it, Storm?


Ok try this put 2 straight people in front of a gay couple 1 is Christian 1 is atheist. Have the gay couple have sex in front of them what would you think their reaction is going to be?

And Dead Machine you can take your worthless comments and shove them straight up your damn ass you prick. I never considered you opinions on here worth wild anyway :rolleyes:


That is NOT a valid argument. A reaction of disgust to witnessing homosexual activity does not mean that you consider the activity immoral or evil. I'm disgusted by slugs, that doesn't mean I consider them immoral.


yeah. i'd probably have the same reaction to watching gay sex as i would have to watching eye surgery. i'd be WAY more disgusted by watching something like my parents having sex than two random gay people


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I thought you left this site you POS. Why don't you go and honor your word because your stupid opinions mean jack shit you pathetic excuse of a human being :rolleyes:


you and your kind are a dying breed and soon all people, straight and gay, will be able to marry and fuck all they want by themselves and there's nothing you can do about it; you and your apelike shit-eating kind with your shallow brows and closely spaced-eyes will die out one by one and the progressives will lay thorns on your graves.

edit- excusez-moi, I'm not going to be civil to someone like this. It's not done, not no way, not no how. Would you be civil to a racist who was spewing his hateful opinions?


LOL do me a favor and go look up what hypocrisy is. You hate me because of my Christian beliefs go figure you jerk :mad:


No, he hates you because of your opinion on homosexuality, which isn't shared by all Christians, as Seinfeld26 can attest to.

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LOL do me a favor and go look up what hypocrisy is. You hate me because of my Christian beliefs go figure you jerk :mad:


I dislike you because of your pick-and-choose approach to christian beliefs. You want to be a real christian? Go give up your property and live among the poor with the necessities that you can carry on your back all that you use.

After all, you're going to be rich in the next life, aren't you?

Oh, no, that would be too inconvenient! So your christian beliefs only apply to some of what was said in the bible, and not all of it? Do you eat shellfish? Do you shave? That's all in the same chapter. Are you talking about Paul's letters? Have you actually read them?

Oh wait, idea! You hate gay people because you have an innate disgusted reaction to the act, and use your religion to justify it despite not following other beliefs laid out in the same goddamned chapters of the Bible that condemn gay people.

No, no, I definitely hate you because of your beliefs, not because of the way you implement them. You're definitely right. Fucking cunt.


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