Metal Reviews

I think the magic of making music will eventually disappear if we continue this path for a very long time... agree with what you said there rio.

I thought of all the same bad stuff as you guys, but also consider that perhaps it will raise the overall standards of songwriting. If this and similar technology became widespread there would be absolutely no excuse for sounding like shit, except in opposition to technology like this.

However, any black metal band caught using this will be declared not krieg.

P.S. Hellraiser's post gave me a boner.

things like this and autotune are pretty widespread and get used on almost all major recordings. if you watch the making of Damnation/Deliverance video that Opeth released there's a part where Steven Wilson does some backing vocals and then says "tuner'll get it" or something like that

And that's exactly why so many rock/metal bands are not so great live... Often we are impressed if bands can just recreate studio accuracy live, whereas in some other styles of music we'd expect a live performance to be even better than on record.

As has been said, you're all looking at it from a vocal viewpoint. I know the new version of Protools has an "elastic pitch" function that I'm looking very much forward to trying. As a creative tool it just opens up possibilities.

But in saying that, it'll push the bar for live performances up if people expect one thing on record and don't get it live. I doubt it'll be used too extensively outside of the commercial market in terms of fine tuning.

It will push the bar down for live performances, relatively speaking... what bands can do in the studio will just move farther and farther ahead of what they are actually capable of doing live.

That's the thing though, they'll need to be able to pull it off live if they record it, cause if a band gets a reputation of being good on record but shite live chances are they're gonna make no money whatsoever as playing live and touring is where they earn most of their keep.

That kind of makes sense, but a lot of the time it doesn't seem to work out too well, IMO. Plenty of bands already sound kind of ropey replicating some of their more complicated bits live, and seems to me like this would exacerbate that rather than change it.

EDIT: But yeah, a lot of bands aren't like this and can play their stuff properly, and for them maybe it would have a bar-raising effect.

You're kidding yourself if you think a band can't replicate anything live that they can in the studio. They can do anything live that they can do in the studio basically. It just has to be done with around a half-second delay. Guitarists can pre-record anything and trigger it without anyone noticing whats going on.

Ok then I guess I was kdding myself when I saw all those bands fail to replicate what they did in the studio live

That's only because they don't have the budget to do the same shit they do in the studio on a stage. Shitty pop bands with infinite amounts of money have no problem bullshitting their way through shows. The metal guys doing this stuff just think they can pull it off live when they cheated in the studio.

Well that was my original point. Technology that makes it possible to do far more technical things easily in the studio is going to make the problem of bands not being able to reliably reproduce their recordings live more common.

Seems to me that software such as this, and ProTools, and anything else that requires more cpu skill than music skill, will just produce a generation and genre of Dragonfarces, that can't even play their own shit live.

Awesome for techno/raver type shit, but srsly, who wants to listen to that crap?

Wow, you obviously have no idea about music production. Clearly every one using a ProTools rig, or any other software setup, makes dance music .

Also, you've got no idea about REAL techno and dance music, the stuff before the little monkeys with pirated software came along.

You have NO idea how Ok I am with that.