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You probably got a better clue tahn me on this matter. And it was not of my intention to offend anyone. But 100 euros is alot. even here. My parents are not paying my studies.

My parents are not very rich either. The income in norway ranges. Alot. My family lives on one income which is my fathers. My mother doesn't work because of my brother's disabilities.

Yeah, America's standard of living is SO HIGH that there are no poor people to be found the length and breadth of the country. I bet Norway's the same, so clearly you must be lying, Tom.

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Exactly my thought.

Sorry to hear about that and hope things will get better for your family. But still, you cannot judge the whole country by your personal situation, and all statistics say Norway does really well. As for income disparity, statistics will contradict you here too. Norway is one of the few countries in the world with a Gini coefficient of under 0.3. This actually means that there is very little economic inequality in your country.



If you cannot perceive the difference between two total different issues, like the existence or non-existence of poor people (which I didn't even touch; If I would have, I would have at least defined it first, the concept of poor person if far more complex than you appear to think) and the relative dimension of poverty (which my post was all about), the least you could do is refrain from smart ass comments.

OldSchool, you judged metal_xxx personal situation based on the avarage economical situation in Norway, isn't that kind of generalizing too? IMO it was stupid to bring those statistics up.

Heres some statistics:

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Yea, but statistics doesn't show the whole truth imo. The average income is brought up because rich tax-payers pay less than lesser rich tax-payers.

I know I'm a lucky bastard to live in this country, and that I'm not suffering in any particular way. But the people that earn less than an average income, which is more people than you might think, cannot afford a 100-110 euro ticket for a Metallica-show.

What.

You told metalxxx to not complain about his family being poor, because Norway is a rich country. Rich countries don't equally share the wealth, you know. So what if there are poorer people out there, metalxxx's supposed to feel sorry for just because they live in countries with better HDI scores? There are human scum in Norway too, as well as Africa or wherever the hell you're mysteriously referring to. And I'm sure the people in the scummy areas of Norway appreciate being told not to be so miserable, because it could be worse? Get real, and stop trying to make me look silly by accusing me of being a smartass, you're the one posting statistics to try and defend a silly post.

Man, I never even discussed his personal situation, let alone judge it. Re-read my posts. I only compared living standard between countries. metalxxx said the Croat shouldn't complain because in Norway tickets are more expensive, thus comparing countries himself, not his personal situation vs the other guy's. And that's what I was responding too. He brought his situation up afterwards, in an attempt to justify his initial post. But his situation, bad as it may be, is not relevant for his country. And I never discussed it, except to say I'm sorry to hear about it. So stop putting words into my mouth.



Same bullshit. I didn't say such thing to him, especially since he said nothing about being poor. His post was:


So I replied why 100 euros isn't actually that much compared to 50 in Croatia. It was never about his personal situation. So again, stop putting words into my mouth. If you want to debate with me, attack what I say, not what you fantasized I said.

You're still guilty of generalised thinking. Just because for certain people in Norway 100 Euros is next to nothing, doesn't mean it's next to nothing for everyone there. Metalxxx probably assumed that the Croat person (sorry, forgot name) is a poor student like himself, in reasonable living condition since 1. he's on the internet and 2. he rocks out to the metal sound. Therefore, saying, 'huh, it's double that here!' isn't whatever you're trying to make it out to be!

I dont want to heat up this miniflame war but metal_xxx didn't mention anything about the nationality of the poster he directed his post to...

I don't think I am, I actually remember using words like "the average Norwegian" and "the average Norwegian students". I didn't generalised the conclusion at all, I resumed myself to the average citizen. But, since you and Dago seem determined to believe otherwise, I'll leave you to it and consider this discussion over. It's already gone longer than it should have.

i agree with what Old_School is saying

also whining about tickey prices is kinda silly when its just economics. i could bitch about how Tool charged 85$ for tickets while Neurosis only charged 15$, but Tool's show sold out in an hour so really they should have charged more. limited supply + high demand = high prices

holy crap... get over it..

End of discussion.

That's the kapitalist way to see it. I tend to disagree.

but mah logic is infallabal

Yeah, that's the generalisation, right there. Average people = people asked by poll = richer people. As was said. Still, we're arguing in circles, and basically about nothing, so let's leave it indeed.

I promised myself I won't post on this topic again but your last post is so flawed I can't resist.

That's not generalisation. Generalisation would have been the opposite, if instead of "average Norwegian" I would have said "every Norwegian" or "all Norwegians". You're making a major error of judgement.

And these kind of things aren't measured by polls It's not a popularity contest. There are pretty elaborate statistics methods. They use complex households surveys, economic indicators, demographic data, census data, administrative data and a lot more. They merge databases, create variables, ponder the data, apply equivalence sqales and so on. Things are very complex, I know what I'm talking about, I deal with poverty statistics measures in my line of work. And if you analyse the results, be it income distribution, human development, extreme and relative poverty rate, GDP per capita and so on, you will get a pretty accurate map that says Norway is in top 5 or 3 countries with low poverty rates, low inequality, high income, high living standards, high life expectancy, even high IQ. And in turn, this means that 100 euros for the average Norwegian is less than 50 for the average Croat. Or Bosniac, or Macedonian, or Kosovar. Or a lot of other nations. That's all I said. It's not like this is a negative thing for the Norwegians, so why resist this idea with such passion? Beats me.

Anyway I'm done. You missinterpret what I say, you confuse notions and you have quite a primitive view on methods involved. But you keep on going. It's almost like arguing with a 12 year old. Polls indeed I'm outta here.

Leave old school alone, he was entirely right with his first post. 1 euro for a Norwegian is very small compared to what it would be for a croat. It's nothing to do with levels of inequality (directly) Of course there are poor people in Norway, but they are poor because their income is low in comparison to Norwegian prices. That doesn't alter the fact that Norwegian prices are much higher than in most other places- including I suspect Croatia.

I don't know too much about the specific Norway-Croatia translation, but it's entirely possible that a poor person in Norway could have an income comparable to a reasonably middling person in Croatia in absolute terms. Metal_xxx saying that 50 euros in CRoatia was nothing compared to the Norway cost was making an absolute comparison, and therefore should have taken this into account.

(Not having a go at you, metalxxx, just those people that are scoffing at the point old school made)

Fuck, I went to Norway recently and it cost me the equivalent of £23 to get a Moose Stew in Oslo. Holy christ...

That's all that metalxxx said originally, ferchrissake. High prices! Moan! I'm not trying to solve economics here or anything.

OldSchool, I meant that you're assuming that metalxxx is an average student, that's what I meant by generalisation. Admittedly, I may not have been using the word correctly. And a poll isn't necessarily like one from the forum, at least that I can see. I'm not saying that the fact that Norwegians are rich isn't a good thing. All I'm saying is, metalxxx isn't necessarily one of the rich ones.



I think the problem here is that my layman interpretations of statistical words is different from your professional one. Christ, doesn't mean you need to get abusive just because I'm not in the same line of work as you. And that makes me a 12-year old? It certainly makes you arrogant.