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He was an occultist. Try reading a book on it.

In the name of all the occultists and pagans in this world, I disassociate hitler from all things occult. He was a crackpot.

Oh, so you're claiming he isn't an occultist or a paganist because you are of that religious conviction and don't want to be associated with him? That's a bit lame. That's like a vegetarian claiming Hitler wasn't a true vegetarian because he doesn't like him.

In the name of all the humans in this world, I disassociate Hitler from all things human. He was a rhinoceros.

100% Pagan he was.

And Mussolini has always been undecided about almost everything.

yeah.. of course he is .. how does that make him pagan?!

i don't think anyone knows what exactly Hitler believed in.. When he wrote Mein Kampf in 1924 he was clearly a christian of some sort.

In 1941 he said during a conversation with Himmler




... i win

Crowley was a Crackpot!!! Do you really think when speaking about being an occultist or a pagan that your are able to call anyone a crackpot.


Hitler was pretty vehemently not catholic. Some one please correct me if this is inaccurate (not you fridge, your wrong), but the whole Nazi party didn't really hold much of a religious belief at all as part of their core ideology. The only thing catholic about nazi Germany is the collecting of Icons and relics. And even that is more of a German thing than a catholic thing.

goddammit. The way hitler used pagan and occult symbology wasn't in accordance with the values held by those ideals.

And Crowley was not a crackpot. He may have been a bit of a geek, but if anything he was a showman.

Guys, no offense or anything but a lot of the responses I'm seeing to this event seem borderline hypocritical in a way. If an over-zealous Christian group does something like banning a metal show or publically slamming a metal band, that's automatically wrong. But if an anti-Christian group starts burning churches (and possibly killing a bunch of people to boot), that's okay. Metal is supposed to be about thinking for yourself. For the record, I think atheism has just as much propaganda, hypocracy, and yes immorality as Christianity (except that it isn't publicized as much because it's sort of become "trendy" to slam Christianity). And there are just as many people trying to ram things like evolution down everybody's throats (just look at what goes on in a lot of public schools here in the States) as there are Jesus freaks trying to ram the word of God down everybody's throats. I'm not saying I think you guys should change your religious beliefs or stances, but be a little more aware of your own biases. And don't let them cloud your judgement.

Most real life Christians are good people. They're not all "You must believe what I believe or you will burn in Hell!!!" Trust me.

For the record... atheism is not a religion, it does not hold any sorts of moral or ethics standards on its own.

and... how is teaching science in public school propaganda?!? .. and btw, teaching evolution/science in public schools is not exactly something that goes on in USA alone... it goes on in the whole western/modern world.
Is propaganda too if your math teacher try to convince his students that 2 plus 2 equals 4?

we never had such "problems" in my country. We live in a seculized world, religion is private (unlike USA where it often gets mixed up with politics by retards) and science is tought in public schools - and most ppl here have figured out that you can believe in both science and god, except the lunatics of course... religion has a place in school too of course, but is not used as alternative to science.

Of course, teaching evolution is not propaganda. It's something everybody needs to learn. Believe it or not, even Catholic schools teach it. I'm refering more to these extremists that do things like try to completely eliminate religious references from History classes. Which completely downgrades them since Religion played such a prominent role in World History (both in good ways and in bad ways). For example, can you imagine a course on Ancient Rome with absolutely no reference to Christianity? That's actually what some people are seriously trying to create.

America's become VERY politically correct. Basically, people are now trying to fight discrimination with discrimination. For example, some colleges and universities are now trying to give minorities lower admission standards (I think U of M was even once talking about admitting black students with D-averages). Similarly, since Christmas has become so common, a lot of Jews and Atheists are upset and now the government is trying to go to the other extreme by prohibiting any references to "Christmas" in the media, in restaurants, etc. And yet, any reference to Hanukkah is perfectly acceptable.



I totally agree with you about believing in both God and Science (as I do). Which is where the other extreme comes into play - religious fundamentalists who actually think schools should be banned because they dare to teach things that might contradict a few lines in the Bible. For example, this one religious group that actually said (get this) those Virginia Tech students "deserved to die because college courses go against the word of God."

People always tell me that most Christians aren't extremists, and are perfectly normal people. Fine, it's true, I know many. However, it seems to me that the amount of fucked up extremist Christians that I also know is too big to be acceptable.

But that's beside the point, my argument is with the religion itself and it's values that go against man's natural instincts and influence them in negative ways.

Your point is wrong.

Nietzschean ideas always win religion arguments.

Affirmative action is stupid and shows how the stupid white people running America are afraid of being called racist.

The problem with extremist Christians is that they seem to be in the highest positions and are able to broadcast their idiotic ideas to the largest majority (ie: Falwell). Ordinary non-extremist Christians aren't quoted on their opinions of everything that happens in the world so their ideas never get broadcasted or if they do they are generally lame and boring in which case no one cares.

All religions are bad in the fact that people can't be tolerant of each other. If they can't use religion responsibly then they shouldn't have it at all.

True dat. The reason he didn't go against Christianity was simply because a big part of Germany was strongly religious back then. He would never have risen into power if he would have chosen to attack Christianity. Most of the core members of the SS were also into pagan traditions and the occult.


Back on topic, burning churches is fine in my books, but burning a mosque would really rock. World Wars III and IV!

Burning churches is not really something I'd do if i could... But killing Ratzinger or Cardinal Bagnasco would be amazing!

I mean look at this guy's face!


INQUISITION FTW!!

If you are not joking with that statement, the only way I won't label you as an e-hypocrite is if you post pictures of yourself burning down a church. Otherwise, your statement is diarrhea-influenced bullshit.

I am pretty sure he was just joking...

Saying that i would like to see action against Christianity and Islam means that i have to become a terrorist myself? Whatever.

So, a US citizen who hasn't fought in a war himself would also be a hypocrite for expressing his admiration for US soldiers?

And yes, my post was a bit tongue-in-cheek.


If i had in fact committed arson, i wouldn't be bragging about it on internet messageboards.

Alright, fair enough. I guess I jumped the gun with that statement. I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to see action against religion. But using fire and intimidation is definitely the wrong way to go about it.

Points for ignoreing my point completely